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Cherno reacts on Dirt 5 running on XSX ''What can anyone say about this''
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itsjustJEFF
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It's crazy man. I've been on these forums on and off through the years. Lurked around for a long time. I honestly need a break from forums like this from time to time. It's just too much. The amount of crazy I find in this forums is alarming
I love video games. I'll probably never give up video games... but I sometimes really hate the video game community.Because 3rd person games are bad now.
Are xbox owners going to disown 3rd person games now?
These are just nonsense excuses now.
You're asking him to making pretty large assumptions. Why should he do that, when he can just focus on the video in front of him
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EliTheIceMan
Member
I saw that lol but he was being honest
Dr.brain64
Member
The game may not look the best but I don't think it's xbox's fault.
At the end of the day, it's a racing game and it does not need to look the best when the game is paused...
At the end of the day, it's a racing game and it does not need to look the best when the game is paused...
Shaukdotdj
Member
He literally tells you in the video what he worked on. Need for Speed
TLZ
Banned
I know right? I refuse to watch his videos. I'd much rather read Pigeon-man's, I mean Odium's highly professional opinions.
Shaukdotdj
Member
MrFunSocks
Banned
Who is this guy and why should I care about what he thinks about a cross generation game that has been made to run at a mind boggling 120fps on a console on day 1?
Woah when did this happen? When did Dirt 5 become the premier launch title for the Series X?
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ruvikx
Banned
"Cherno" aka a random unknown guy with 13k subscribers yesterday & now over 14k... thanks to some hungry console warriors.
That's abut it really.
MrFunSocks
Banned
haha gotcha.
GAF discredits Digital Foundry and their opinions but hot damn, this .....Cherno...... guy really knows his stuff!
AeneaGames
Member
In one post you defend the devs of this game and I agree with that, in the next you're shitting on Cherno. I'm sorry but that isn't fair either. It is coming out on next gen consoles, MS slapped a optimised for Series X sticker on it so what he's saying is fair.
He asked for XSX footage and he got this, he did check if it was a recent video and says he does not keep up with all the news surrounding the new consoles. To react like this towards him is silly, he's probably the most impartial person out there and actually seems to know his stuff.
Send him a better vid of Dirt 5 or another game.
To me tho the game looks good, not amazing but good. I love the ice track footage a lot and I will buy this when it comes out and forget about all the silly stuff people bickered over and enjoy the heck out of it
AeneaGames
Member
I think that's because of 2 things, 120hz mode and 4 player split screen support.
Pantz
Member
Feels like I'm the only one who thinks this game looks good. The environments around the tracks, look cool and expansive. I get the low quality textures and stuff but I'm looking at the overall picture of the game. It has a lot of unique stuff going on that you won't find in some other racers.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Looks fine to me too. I'm not buying it, but graphically it looks like a cross gen game that runs at 60fps and 120fps. Not sure what people were expecting - Forza Motorsport 7 type graphics at 120hz?
I have a feelilng that so, so many people are going to have meltdowns this generation and complain about graphics and framerates in the next gen games. People have let their expectations get waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of check thanks to things like all the Cerny Super SSD bullshit.
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FranXico
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Oh, now I get it! The argument of authority (how dare anyone question Richard Leadbetter) now extends to number of subscribers!
How cares that unlike the guru of pixel counting, this "nobody" actually worked on the Frostbite engine?
Going by this twisted logic, PewDiePie is the biggest expert of anything in the world. No education or experience required.
AeneaGames
Member
EA's Frostbite engine and Need for Speed. What had Jeff Grubb worked on?
Cherno is fair and unbiased and knows his stuff. Granted the title is a bit click-baity and I think it looks better than a mobile game but it's his opinion tho, not sure why that is a bad thing.
It's people like Grubb and some others like him who come across as assholes, but they probably have to otherwise they don't get a free XSX and without it they can make less content and thus get less income. Cherno does not have a stake in any of the consoles, he just likes to make these videos.
(tho to be absolutely honest I am starting to think there is a money reason why he is making these now, the first few were for fun, then he noticed the extra income bit generated.....)
AeneaGames
Member
He's a guy who posted some positive impressions about Sony software over a series of videos. Now he's quite popular here. Not sure why. Can you figure it out?
Didn't know MS Flight Sim is a Sony game! He was gushing over that one!
Funny thing is tho that you and others blame him for saying good things about Sony games more while the obvious reason is completely missed...
The lack of new game footage running on the XSX...
If you guys don't scare him off it he will continue making these and am positive there will be XSX games he will say positive things about...
Send him footage of a good looking cross gen or next gen game running on the XSX and you will see
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Digity
Member
Seems like a smart thing to do, these videos are certainly easy to put together.
AeneaGames
Member
Jeff Grubb, Tom Warren and all the other people who received a free XSX are way more talented and knowledgeable, right?
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I've just watched the footage then his reaction. This should never have been made into some Xbox showcase. It looks terrible.
kuncol02
Banned
There is no magic in targeting single device. Driveclub pushes 1/16 of Dirt 5 pixels. To run Driveclub in 120fps 4k you would need almost 20tflop machine and Driveclub in daylight can look IMHO even worse than Dirt looks.
chilichote
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Me too (but for a while now ^^). Plus NXGamer it's a good combo.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
that particular video/track looks bad. ive seen the game several times over the past few months. it looks great.
Fuck dat Cherno
Its a multi plat and it actually does look good, hell i still think OnRush is a good looking title.
He seemingly attributes this to the Xbox being the problem....but that doesnt make sense as its a multiplat and looks like this on every platform?
Why single out the Xbox as being the problem?
He spits his clout a ton but he needs to temper his own hype, he worked on a mobile games engine, and didnt even make it, he was a glorified intern
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
No magic, but it does potentially allow more optimisation to occur for the engine (depending on economics). But yeah me mentioning 30fps was kind of making your point, comparing a game that targeted 30fps to one that is targeting 60-120fps is somewhat unfair. The fact that they then have to optimise and text for about 10 different configurations just makes it harder
anothertech
Member
Bummer about the game though.
Tbh, there's not much to get knickers twisted here.
Tbh, there's not much to get knickers twisted here.
Michael Hawk
Member
I kinda see your point but I also think you're ignoring the reality that he (the Cherno) can't ignore the elephant in the room which is that the supposed most powerful console in the world has yet to produce a single impressive graphical showpiece.
It's really easy to think he's console warring when in fact, he's just stating what everyone that wasn't sent a Series X to promote is thinking. If the consoles were reversed and the PS5 was supposedly the most powerful console in the world, and yet every game shown had the visual fidelity of Bugsnax (no diss, I actually love the idea behind Snaktooth island), I'm 100% confident that he (the Cherno) would go beyond just commenting on the game and actually talk about how the supposed most powerful console is surprisingly incapable of living up to its claim.
Is the Cherno secretly biased with a Mark Cerny shrine in his bedroom closet? I honestly don't know. But it's unrealistic to expect a guy that looks and talks about games and their respective graphics to ignore the fact that the console running those games has a lot of fucking question marks about its supposedly superior graphical capabilities.
BlitzerRadic
Member
Problem is that MS has allowed this bad looking game to be strongly associated with XBSX.
Elog
Member
Chemo is a good guy. Dirt looks poorly.
The problems get accentuated by the fact that we hardly have seen anything visually impressive run on the XSX. It starts to be weird - there must have been serious issues with the development environment/kits. Any other explanation does not make sense by now.
The problems get accentuated by the fact that we hardly have seen anything visually impressive run on the XSX. It starts to be weird - there must have been serious issues with the development environment/kits. Any other explanation does not make sense by now.
Azurro
Banned
Say that sitting there with a tryhard MGS avatar, just because I have an opinion not falling in line with your console warrior BS.
You probably shouldn't bring things like Occam's Razor up when you don't even know the definition or how to use it in context, btw. And point to where I've defended everything about Series X? I criticized the July show, had constructive criticism on the logistics of Series S (until more information was provided), even questioned Gamepass here and there. I also questioned the WB purchasing rumors (and still do; it's not worth it for anyone unless they get rights to the characters as a long-term gain).
Difference with me from people like you is, I'm actually willing to give MS a chance to show me what they have to offer. I'm not living and breathing on the desire to be hostile or negative to a brand just because it isn't Sony. And if I were such a warrior I would never have posted (nor continue to post) positive things about Sony, PS5, or Nintendo. I literally had pretty much good things to say inBo_Hazem 's recent thread and never once tried downplaying Sony or PS5 in that thread. I may've tried clarifying a few things here and there, but the reality doesn't fit your ill-conceived imagination.
Truth is you're a lame console fanboy and having someone tell that to you straight fires you up to no end. But that's not my problem. The immaturity of your response says it all. You can choose to go on carrying as you were, it won't be much worth seeing anyway.
He's a content creator and it's his responsibility to do research into a subject if he wishes to give an opinion on it. Sorry but I'm not excusing laziness from people who do this sort of stuff; even if it's just a hobby in the spare time, if you wish to discuss things in the most-informed light then doing some cross-referencing and due diligence for clarification beyond the bare minimum should be at least partially expected.
Too many people excusing mediocrity when it comes to games journalistic integrity is why we have so many clickbait, half-assed sources of coverage in the first place. Ask for better, cordially, and maybe you will get it. If some other content creator took a bad, low-resolution, half-framerate video of Demon's Souls Remastered or Miles Morales and used it as a critique against the game unfairly (or even worst, used it as a means to stoke console wars), I'd be just as mad. Probably more upset tbh if it were Demon's because that game legit looks fantastic.
But no, go on and assume I'm doing this for "other reasons". My track record speaks otherwise but go on, pretend that doesn't exist
I'm going to skip most of your defence of yourself because you know you love to dabble in fanboy wars and love to spin up FUD against "rival" consoles and you know it, don't play dumb, you love silly console warring. I honestly couldn't care less about MS or Xbox because they don't produce games I'm interested in, they have a good machine in theoretical specs but that's it, I'm happy to let it be in its own corner and for their fans to enjoy it. I only ever get involved because I see people posting dishonest or stupid takes that frankly bring the level of conversion really low and it's mostly Xbox fans flinging shit because they were "oppressed" for a long time or something stupid like that.
Now with that rant, it's kind of baffling how fragile your ego is, how vulnerable it is to some mild criticism of a game that looks like shit on a console you hold a little too close to your heart, which then you take as criticism against your favourite plastic box, which somehow turns into criticism of yourself. You are spinning narratives of "journalistic integrity" when the only requirement is if he is qualified to comment, which in his case yes he is, as he literally wrote components of graphics engines, He's literally more qualified than anyone at DF to talk about this stuff, and yet you mysteriously don't have a problem with them putting out their opinion.
And really, what kind of "laziness" are you talking about? To do research on how not to hurt the feelings of Xbox fanboys if a game that is on Xbox looks bad? It's a reaction video to a trailer willingly put out there by a publisher to be shown to people. The game looks like shit, what do you expect him to say? He is even being nice about it.
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Dodkrake
Banned
Subs are not a metric of knowledge, and he had around 200k on his main channel before the console circus started
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
He worked on mobile games (mobile engines) and had access to Frostbite because he worked at a satellite studio owned by EA, a studio they eventually forgot they had, he didnt add anything to Frostbite and wasnt in a high enough position to matter......dont believe his own hype.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Say that sitting there with a tryhard MGS avatar, just because I have an opinion not falling in line with your console warrior BS.
You probably shouldn't bring things like Occam's Razor up when you don't even know the definition or how to use it in context, btw. And point to where I've defended everything about Series X? I criticized the July show, had constructive criticism on the logistics of Series S (until more information was provided), even questioned Gamepass here and there. I also questioned the WB purchasing rumors (and still do; it's not worth it for anyone unless they get rights to the characters as a long-term gain).
Difference with me from people like you is, I'm actually willing to give MS a chance to show me what they have to offer. I'm not living and breathing on the desire to be hostile or negative to a brand just because it isn't Sony. And if I were such a warrior I would never have posted (nor continue to post) positive things about Sony, PS5, or Nintendo. I literally had pretty much good things to say in
Truth is you're a lame console fanboy and having someone tell that to you straight fires you up to no end. But that's not my problem. The immaturity of your response says it all. You can choose to go on carrying as you were, it won't be much worth seeing anyway.
He's a content creator and it's his responsibility to do research into a subject if he wishes to give an opinion on it. Sorry but I'm not excusing laziness from people who do this sort of stuff; even if it's just a hobby in the spare time, if you wish to discuss things in the most-informed light then doing some cross-referencing and due diligence for clarification beyond the bare minimum should be at least partially expected.
Too many people excusing mediocrity when it comes to games journalistic integrity is why we have so many clickbait, half-assed sources of coverage in the first place. Ask for better, cordially, and maybe you will get it. If some other content creator took a bad, low-resolution, half-framerate video of Demon's Souls Remastered or Miles Morales and used it as a critique against the game unfairly (or even worst, used it as a means to stoke console wars), I'd be just as mad. Probably more upset tbh if it were Demon's because that game legit looks fantastic.
But no, go on and assume I'm doing this for "other reasons". My track record speaks otherwise but go on, pretend that doesn't exist
But Cherno is probably the most credible youtuber out there compared to any. He even worked on Need For Speed, so he knows a thing or two on car racing. Also worked on Frostbite engine and has his own engine as well that he releases tutorials about.
But overall, we don't need that much expertise to acknowledge how bad Dirt 5 looks, it's a disgrace to next gen graphics for a AAA game. You may accept that for like AA and indies, but not a well-funded AAA game.
here's a thing about game devs, they are horrible at playing games, and not even them are as updated in the games catalog as we gamers are, he thinks this is an xbox series X showcase, and didnt even noticed its coming in the current gen, he just doesnt search for gaming news, therefore he doesnt know anything about this game other than its being marketed around XSX, its not his fault.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Need for Speed No Limits, a mobile game NOT running on Frostbite with a very very very different handling model to any real racing game....so please.
He didnt add anything to Frostbite, DICE are in charge of Frostbite, he worked at a satellite studio in Australia that EA eventually forgot even existed, he puts alot of clout on his resume but this EA job at this satellite studio was his first job out of University.
He hasnt worked at any other company or been part of any big engines.
I havent heard him say or even claim to be an expert on any sort of rendering technology, which odly is what almost all his videos are about rendering.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Need for Speed No Limits, a mobile game NOT running on Frostbite with a very very very different handling model to any real racing game....so please.
He didnt add anything to Frostbite, DICE are in charge of Frostbite, he worked at a satellite studio in Australia that EA eventually forgot even existed, he puts alot of clout on his resume but this EA job at this satellite studio was his first job out of University.
He hasnt worked at any other company or been part of any big engines.
I havent heard him say or even claim to be an expert on any sort of rendering technology, which odly is what almost all his videos are about rendering.
Even though, a casual guy from the street who has played Dirt on current PS4 Pro/XOX, Forza, GT Sport won't take him long before he pukes from the graphics of this so-called next gen game. It's not rocket science, really. You need to be near-blind to not see how bad it looks.
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HeresJohnny
Member
I kind of get it. I mean, they’re trying to get people to buy expensive new hardware and some of the games definitely aren’t making the case well for it.
FranXico
Member
Still much more experienced in game development than the assperts everyone listens to without questioning.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I think that they just noticed it was happening with many of the games they were showing off, so they decided to use it... Forgetting very few people have 120hz TVs (we just got our 4k HDR sets).
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Im not denying DIRT5 is NOT a nextgen graphical showcase.
Im denying the clout people put on Cherno and him clearly playing into the console war for clicks...I mean its working but its still snakey shit.
Hes musing with pinning Dirt 5 looking bad on the Series X, he knows what hes doing when i says those things, especially when he can see this is a crossgen multiplat.....but there must be something going wrong at Xbox.....you dont see him pandering to you with his comments?
Full disclosure I actually dont think Dirt 5 is butt ugly, but it certainly aint a title I would use to show off a nextgen machine, even the 120fps mode.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Game development, he was a basically an intern not actually adding much to a mobile game engine?
What expertise does he have in rendering technologies for him to be an expert in talking about how games look?
You could have the most badass CS graduate who easily gets trumped in rendering work by some who finished a PBR workflow course at a community college.
Yeah he probably knows a little something about how to make a mobile game, but he knows very little about AAA game development and rendering.....but as long as he is on the Sony side or bashing the Xbox then hehas all the experience we need.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
All his comments are 100% facts, just watch even a graphical masterpiece like Horizon Forbidden West and he brought negative stuff there that no one else pointed out. Watch all his videos first before jumping into conclusions, and HFW and Spiderman MM are crossgen as well, and Halo is 1st party crossgen as well. If there is someone to blame it is Xbox Division and them alone.
What you'll say then after he sees Yakuza on XSX? That'll get tortured even further as even at 4K looks like crap. Just deal with it, if Xbox Division are empty-handed don't throw the blame on others.
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Relativ9
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The video linked was from the 4k PS4 Pro version of the game (dynamic 4k but still) with HDR. Not native 4k 120fps mind you, but I don't think that it's unreasonable to expect that if they did a native 4k port on PS5 they could achieve 60fps at least easily. The point was more that it was a 7 year old game that looked better than a yet to be released game, aesthetically if not technically. And while daylight/sunny races aren't as impressive the extreme weather ones, in my opinion it still looks better than most things released these days (except possibly Forza), but a lot of this is due to art design and going for fantastical vistas with amazing skyboxes and lighting over "normal/realistic" map design.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
For those around there, there is a list of plenty of vidoes teaching you about game engines and his own engine while at it. It's funny to take journos work over his, and even journos are shitting on this garbage:
(This is his main channel, as some of his followers complained about console stuff being thrown into the mix so he made the second channel)
(This is his main channel, as some of his followers complained about console stuff being thrown into the mix so he made the second channel)
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Zathalus
Member
I would have respected his opinion more if it was based on better footage of the game. The IGN video feed is terrible. The devs have reached out to him on Twitter requesting he takes a second look at the game based on better footage, so let's see if he will be up to it.
Before anyone tells me the game is still bad looking, it is still clearly better looking then the IGN feed. Personally when the weather effects kick in, I think it looks pretty good.
Before anyone tells me the game is still bad looking, it is still clearly better looking then the IGN feed. Personally when the weather effects kick in, I think it looks pretty good.
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