niilokin
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Chris Avellone is Fighting Back (Update: won seven figure lawsuit, formal apology/retraction from accusers)
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"Because we at [Brand] care."
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Larry once again ahead of the Curb(hihi)
anthraticus
Banned
Ehh, looking more forward to these anyway and don't think they 2 shits about all the SJW crap. Plus Larian is gonna try and appeal to the masses more, as opposed to these devs which target more of a niche cRPG fanbase.
Colony Ship: A Post-Earth Role Playing Game
Knights of the Chalice 2
Realms Beyond: Ashes of the Fallen
Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
Underrail: Infusion
Ivory Blood
Member
Fuck, the comment is from several days ago, when all of this was just starting, but I worry for him. Chris is definitely not at his best right now, hope he won't be the next Holowka.
In the meantime Obsidian also landed on my do not buy list. Or at least Sawyer did.
Ivory Blood
Member
Sawyer always was a little jealous bitch.
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Helios
Member
He probably knows there's almost no way he's getting out of this. Let's say none of this ever happened, who would believe him? Everyone in the industry already painted him as a sex offender / rapist etc.
Now I do believe it happened, but I also believe it's nothing except cringy shit that should've been their own personal business.
VN1X
Banned
Ladioss
Member
Haven't tried the others yet but Underrail is so, so good. Favorite CRPG of the gen along with Age of Decadence.
Infusion is years away, I believe ?
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anthraticus
Banned
I wouldn't doubt it. And the other games aren't out either.
The Colony Ship game is from the Age of Decadence dev and the first KotC is on Steam now, btw.
Codswallop_
Neophyte
Ivory Blood
Member
Went through her feed - holy moly, this a campaign of fear and intimidation on a big scale. The list goes on and on like this.
TheSadRanger
Banned
That bitch sounds like a real life Tammy 2 from parks and rec.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
What a bunch of trash feminazis. Trying to incite their army of beta simps to do their bidding.
Ivory Blood
Member
Barakov
Gold Member
EverythingsOverrated
Member
When I was in my early teens I dreamed of being involved in games development. I taught myself some basic programming languages and started coming up with (what I thought were) unique ideas that I could turn into games. I figured out within a couple years that programming just wasn't for me and I dipped out.
Holy shit I'm glad I didn't go through with it and get stuck in an industry full of self congratulatory scavengers that circle your ass the second they smell blood in the water. This obviously isn't exclusive to the games industry - it's most of anything involved in entertainment. Pretty lame stuff if you ask me. Is the guy an asshole? Maybe, but with what we've been provided with the guy doesn't deserve this. Things may change down the road, who knows.
Holy shit I'm glad I didn't go through with it and get stuck in an industry full of self congratulatory scavengers that circle your ass the second they smell blood in the water. This obviously isn't exclusive to the games industry - it's most of anything involved in entertainment. Pretty lame stuff if you ask me. Is the guy an asshole? Maybe, but with what we've been provided with the guy doesn't deserve this. Things may change down the road, who knows.
ShadowNate
Member
She is right that she has a culture problem.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
Tbh I have similar feelings - I made some games in my youth that would have been fine for the public domain libraries of the day (this was on the Atari ST) and might have gone down that path but thankfully I ended up in web development and now build enterprise application software. It's a much more bullshit-free environment where I work now (I'd advise against web dev agency work as I exited that area in 2012-ish and it was, in hindsight, already showing signs of going down the path of SJW). I consider myself hugely fortunate to work at a company that lacks a HR department and which is not overrun with SJWs, where the women make filthier jokes than the men and can drink us all under the table. It's like being in the 90s and it's fucking great.
These people prey on vulnerable men, you only have to look at the Quinn/Holowka situation to see that. It's an absolute fucking mess.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
Babylon Bee being remarkably relevant.
Helscream
Banned
This shit right here boils my blood. Chris Avellone, the man who did the writing on games like...
Fallout 2
Planescape Torment
Icewind Dale
Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance
Champions of Norrath
Stars Wars The Old Republic
Neverwinter Nights
Fallout New Vegas
Wasteland 2
Pillars of Eternity
Tyranny
Divinity Original Sin 2
Gets his career and lively hood destroyed by some covetous woman? Is todays world so obsessed with the glorification of victimhood that we will eternally damn all who are accused of any trespass without due process? Here is some food for thought for the fools who think its best to do away with "innocent till proven guilty" and "due process".
William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”
Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”
William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”
Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”
-Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
The feckless cowards that do this bullshit on social media and populate websites like ResetEra don't freaking get it. Its all fun and games when your the one cutting down the laws and unjustly passing judgement on those you don't like. But when all the laws are cut down, where you gonna hide when the devil comes for your sorry ass?
I don't use social media because of this garbage, but if Chris Avellone ever pays a visit to NeoGAF. We appreciate all your hard work on all the badass games you worked on and this GAFer stands with you.
Fallout 2
Planescape Torment
Icewind Dale
Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance
Champions of Norrath
Stars Wars The Old Republic
Neverwinter Nights
Fallout New Vegas
Wasteland 2
Pillars of Eternity
Tyranny
Divinity Original Sin 2
Gets his career and lively hood destroyed by some covetous woman? Is todays world so obsessed with the glorification of victimhood that we will eternally damn all who are accused of any trespass without due process? Here is some food for thought for the fools who think its best to do away with "innocent till proven guilty" and "due process".
William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”
Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”
William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”
Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”
-Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
The feckless cowards that do this bullshit on social media and populate websites like ResetEra don't freaking get it. Its all fun and games when your the one cutting down the laws and unjustly passing judgement on those you don't like. But when all the laws are cut down, where you gonna hide when the devil comes for your sorry ass?
I don't use social media because of this garbage, but if Chris Avellone ever pays a visit to NeoGAF. We appreciate all your hard work on all the badass games you worked on and this GAFer stands with you.
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Barakov
Gold Member
Not surprised. O'Dwyer has always been a little bitch.
Ivory Blood
Member
Fuck all of them - simps, thots, twitter, idiots who prostrate themselves before the mob. It's because of them that we can't have nice things anymore.
There's a guy in my place who has dated at least 4 of the women in our company (it's a big place).
Some of them have left now but I was thinking he must be shitting his pants with all that's going on.
Pretty sure one of the break ups was nasty.
This case seems pretty strange really because I don't think this guy is being accused of rape or sexual assault or anything?
Seems like the main point here is that he was an abusive partner (with the only specific being he stormed out of a restaurant once) and he sent a few dirty texts to someone who was already in a relationship?
I'm not sure exactly how this is justification for blacklisting someone from an entire industry?
I could see it if the guy had beat up his wife and was charged and convicted. Sure.
I kind of feel sorry for young lads today.
Imagine going on a few dates with a colleague and then realizing that she's really into drama and emotional manipulation and control and random outbursts. What are you supposed to do? Dump them? Not if you want to have to dump your entire life too.
I am considering the same.
The industry seems to operate like a High School with gossip and bullying and cancelling.
With Twitter and Medium and Facebook being the ways that people try to publicly bitch about each other and try to humiliate each other.
It seems really fucked up.
They set up a situation where you need things like Twitter to get your name out there and build up opportunities in the industry but then Twitter is also there like a public Human Resources platform where you can just accuse a colleague and that's them done.
You have to end up asking why you're giving your money to these people.
If the accusations here are true then it's a private issue.
It's not stuff that should be used to bring an entire industry down on someone to make sure they "never work in this town again".
Then you can look at things like the drama over Ion Fury or Kingdom Come or The Last Night or other indie titles where if there is anything that displeases the mob they will do their best to try and have your game shut down.
Some of these folks just seem SO desperate for the gaming industry to have it's "me too moment" but the stuff they are coming out with is things that just sound like clumsy flirting or bad breakups.
These issues should be getting dealt with behind closed doors.
I don't need to know that some designer/writer sent some dirty texts to one of his friends while he was drunk.
I certainly don't need to know that he did it SEVEN years ago. How the hell am I supposed to contextualize that?
I'm not even sure how a naughty text from seven years ago is any of his current employers business?
How the hell would that go in future job interviews?
"Well, it says here that about 10 years ago you got drunk and texted a female friend saying that you'd like to have sex with her. So we can't offer you the job."
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah that dude is toast. Poor bastard. Honestly I'm so glad I'm out of the dating pool but if I ever find myself back in it I'll have to be bloody careful. There is hope though - the influx of Polish immigrants into the UK has created a supply of hot women who aren't arseholes. I reckon if I'm ever single again I'll be going Eastern European.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Completely agree. Even if I remove the "why would I give money to people who ty to one-up and humiliate each other?" it does make me wonder if they'll be capable of putting out a videogame that's worth my time.
It's all but forgotten, but remember that indie upstart, that guy who invented a cool piece of kit, overcame all kinds of obstacles, brought it to market and established a brand, sold that brand to one of the biggest tech companies in history, then got fired from his own company:
Facebook reportedly fired Palmer Luckey for political views
The Oculus founder left the company last year after it was learned he secretly made a $10,000 donation to an anti-Hillary Clinton group.
www.cnet.com
People face consequences all the time while others get away with it. Publishers need to make hard calls sometimes and let people go.
But it shouldn't be in response to the mob.
Large videogame companies require large teams. Large teams (built with an artificial balance of genders and skincolors) offer an exponential increase in potential conflict.
Y'know the "crabs in a bucket" metaphor? I wonder if large brands / companies will suffer from it, constantly eaten from within by their own large teams, nipped away by constant accusations of sexual harassment, bigotry, and unfair raises. Videogames are expensive and challenging enough to create as it is.
Meanwhile smaller indie devs can keep making their games, keeping their head under the radar.
hyperbertha
Member
The dying light team distanced themselves from avellone. Pretty much every dev working with him has cancelled their contract. So if you want to show support don't buy their games.
Same here, out of the dating pool for years and unlikely to even be back in again.
A lot of these conversations do have me thinking about past situations though.
I've dated and had flings and affairs with colleagues long ago and I've been reflecting on how those scenarios came about.
Like stage one is just getting into a position where you can talk to them and get an idea of what's what.
Then you need to have an excuse to get each other numbers.
Then you are messaging back and forth and testing the waters with regards to flirting and a bit more risque humor etc.
Then it's a date and then it's whatever.
With some of these situations now it's like there is a breakdown between flirting and actually dating and that is being used to wreck careers.
It almost always seems to be in retrospect also.
Like not many people are saying "OMG so and so just texted me this obscene message 5 minutes ago".
It's more like these encounters happened many many years ago and over the years the women involved have been convinced that these incidents are horrible and shocking crimes.
Like with the ZQ and Alec Holowka case she claimed to have actually have been assaulted by someone she wouldn't name but she then got into a relationship with Holowka and he was a shit boyfriend so she decided to wait a few years and try to publicly blame him, and ONLY him, for the failure of the relationship.
Like they are sitting there going over their relationship history asking "is there anything here I could use to destroy an ex".
That's a potential danger with the "Me Too" movement. You're encouraging women to share their me too experiences but for some they will need to stretch things a little bit to come up with something. Then you've got those who will gladly throw an ex that they still have a grudge against under the bus. All motivated by a desire to get a bit of attention and drama online for a couple of days.
Sent someone a dirty text seven years ago? No no NO NO! How dare you! Cancel him.
Basically drove a guy to suicide with a sketchy, one-sided, story? Well... you know... Gamergate... mumble mumble... believe women.
Starfield
Member
You're a dumb Twitter hoe, stop lying
Codswallop_
Neophyte
Nice, an industry blacklist based off anonymous accusations. Really gotta hope karma comes full circle on these witch hunting hypocrites someday.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
One of the replies actually unwittingly provides insight into what's gone on here.
For years she thought these things were ok and now she doesn't. The problem ultimately is that men were acting on the information available at the time, perhaps awkwardly because when you're shy (and game developers are likely to skew autistic) you don't always get it right, perhaps some were still figuring out who they were and what their dating strategy was and were on a wrong fork that they'd eventually walk back, any number of possibilities. Most women would just write it off as a bad date and chalk it up to experience, but these women are now being radicalised, made to hate men and think that any screw up by a man is malevolent.
nush
Gold Member
SoggyBiscuit
Banned
It's honestly disgusting how quickly the internet hate mob will throw you under the bus without any evidence whatsoever.
Allegations like this just shouldn't be aired on twitter. If it is serious enough, it's a matter for the police.
Also, I'm finding it difficult to see where the harassment occurred here? What did Avellone do exactly to become the latest sacrificial lamb to the baying twitter mob?
Allegations like this just shouldn't be aired on twitter. If it is serious enough, it's a matter for the police.
Also, I'm finding it difficult to see where the harassment occurred here? What did Avellone do exactly to become the latest sacrificial lamb to the baying twitter mob?