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*Classic Sales-Age* December 1994 - U.S. TOP40 & HW (Revised)

Square2005

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My 1994 sales hav bin revised, scaled-up (mostly for Nintendo), again after looking at some other '94 data. They should be more accurate now & the LTDs are higher too.
The formula to multiply my other charts to the new data are:
GEN *1.059
SNES *1.179
NES *1.179

December 1994:
U.S. Figures Only

Code:
1   SNES	  Donkey Kong Country	 	    $58 	Nintendo	   1,499,645 / 2,057,006
2   GEN	  Sonic & Knuckles	 	                    $57 	Sega	      402,770 / 735,593
3   GEN	  Madden NFL 95	 		    $57 	EA	      344,017 / 523,744
4   GEN	  Mortal Kombat II	 		    $60 	Acclaim	      309,953 / 1,004,890
5   GEN	  NBA Live 95	 		    $58 	EA	      258,160 / 372,458
6   GEN	  The Lion King	 		    $64 	Viacom	      248,419 / 335,857
7   GEN	  NFL 95	 			    $56 	Sega	      247,474 / 320,078
8   SNES	  Aladdin	 			    $21 	Capcom	      238,774	
9   GEN	  Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers	                    $53 	Sega	      228,449 / 391,978
10 SNES	  Madden NFL 95	 		    $57 	EA	      210,224 / 287,824
11 SNES	  The Lion King	 		    $64 	Viacom	      209,419 / 283,542
12 SNES	  Mortal Kombat II	 		    $63 	Acclaim	      209,042 / 924,604
13 GEN	  Street Fighter II: Special Champion Ed           $21 	Capcom	      208,863	
14 NES	  Dr. Mario	 		                    $10 	Nintendo	      199,513	
15 NES	  Kirby's Adventure	 		    $10 	Nintendo	      172,481	
16 GEN	  NHL 95	 			    $58 	EA	      168,078 / 421,994
17 GEN	  Shaq-Fu	 		                    $34 	EA	      146,587 / 192,834
18 SNES	  Street Fighter II Turbo	 	    $20 	Capcom	      145,394	
19 SNES	  Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers	                    $66 	Bandai	      144,462 / 339,932
20 NES	  Yoshi's Cookie	 		    $10 	Nintendo	      142,450	
21 SNES	  Super Punch-Out!!	 	                    $58 	Nintendo	      137,347 / 220,228
22 GEN	  Ren & Stimpy	 		    $21 	Sega	      131,332	
23 SNES	  Mega Man X	 		    $20 	Capcom	      128,887 / 287,981
24 SNES	  NBA Live 95	 		    $63 	EA	      123,908 / 170,300
25 SNES	  Final Fantasy III	 		    $70 	Square	      117,287 / 275,952
26 SNES	  Star Fox	 		                    $21 	Nintendo	      113,220	
27 NES	  Legend of Zelda	 		    $10 	Nintendo	      112,424	
28 GEN	  NBA JAM	 		                    $52 	Acclaim	      109,095 / 1,388,549
29 GEN	  Beavis & Butthead	 	                    $59 	Viacom	        99,121 / 175,446
30 GEN	  Sonic The Hedgehog	 	                    $20 	Sega	        97,292	
31 GEN	  Ms. Pac-man	 		    $21 	Midway	        96,027	
32 SNES	  Street Fighter II	 		    $21 	Capcom	        94,195	
33 NES	  Final Fantasy	 		    $10 	Nintendo	        94,014	
34 SNES	  F-ZERO	 			    $21 	Nintendo	        80,284	
35 GEN	  WWF Raw	 		    $64 	Acclaim	        80,162 / 86,178
36 GEN	  Sonic The Hedgehog 3	 	    $57 	Sega	        79,132 / 738,137
37 SNES	  Shaq-Fu	 		                    $35 	EA	        79,096 / 110,557
38 GEN	  Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure	                    $66 	Activision	        77,859 / 81,724
39 SNES	  NBA JAM	 		                    $59 	Acclaim	        76,167 / 924,977
40 GEN	  NFL Quarterback Club	 	    $65 	Acclaim	        74,691 / NEW
                                                                                    [U]LTD based on ioi shipments:[/U]
	Sega Genesis		   $115 	1,191,414 / [B]13.86m [/B](?)
	Super NES	 	                   $120 	1,052,087 / [B]14.41m [/B](?)
	*[I]Sega 32X	 	                   $170 	140,532    / 178k[/I]
	NES	 		   $60 	84,291      / 29.26m?
	3DO Multiplayer	   	   $397 	32,030      / 81k?
	Atari Jaguar	 	   $248 	13,219      / 54k?
The graph's updated to reflect the revised numbers:


Previous Months:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107477 - JAN-AUG/94 (Expanded to TOP40)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108253 - SEP/94
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109555 - OCT/94
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110068 - NOV/94
 

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It's still really weird to think about prices then. I couldn't really see myself spending seventy dollars on an SNES game [Final Fantasy III] then and even now, but it sure did a decent job in December of 94.
 

Meier

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Dude.. it's been. I like your threads, but you always misspell been as bin and it's driving me nuts. Those Donkey Kong Country sales are pretty damn impressive, that's for sure.
 

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Meier said:
Dude.. it's been. I like your threads, but you always misspell been as bin and it's driving me nuts.
Same here.

I mean, there are people that pronounce "been" as closer to "bean" including myself, so bin kind of throws me off.
 

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32X flopped HARD.

Yowza, I didn't remember it coming out that early, what the heck was Sega thinking? These classic threads are pretty awesome, thanks a bunch.
 

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The market really has expanded. Looking at these DECEMBER and NOVEMBER numbers, sales for hardware and software was pitiful during the holiday season. One title hit over the million mark and that same title was the only one to break 500,000..... IN DECEMBER.

This generation, multiple titles break a million or more and hardware is in the millions/2 millions. Great to know videogames are breaking loose.

And what the heck, when does the SNES fight back (IF if ever does)? I mean it's had Donkey Kong Country for 2 months now but still sold less than Genesis. Was history wrong?
 

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lol love these retro sales threads, keep 'em coming! :lol

the software sales strike a scary resemblance of the early DS vs PS2 sales in Japan... :lol
 
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The Genesis (along with the rest of Sega) fell off the face of the earth, or at least the American sales landscape, in 1995, while the SNES continued to sell decently... I'd expect that that's when it finally managed to catch up overall.

Note the awesome success of the first two next-gen consoles... :D (It is kind of odd to consider the Jaguar and 3D0, two consoles that were pretty much dead by the time the N64 came out, part of the same generation as that console, but they were...)
 
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1994 in general was the first time Genesis outsold SNES since launch, and December 1994 in particular was the first holiday season Nintendo was outsold by Sega.. All previous holiday seasons were dominated by Nintendo (since the launch of SNES).. for some reason Sega really stepped up its marketing/pricing and even despite the nuclear bomb of DKC it wasn't good enough to win against the Genesis...
 

Cheebs

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cvxfreak said:
Same here.

I mean, there are people that pronounce "been" as closer to "bean" including myself, so bin kind of throws me off.
Agreed. Spelling it wrong on purpose is driving me insane.
 

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17 GEN Shaq-Fu $34 EA 146,587 / 192,834
37 SNES Shaq-Fu $35 EA 79,096 / 110,557

Noooooooooooooooo!
 

Ignatz Mouse

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No interest in these classic sales threads anymore...?
I'll be more interested come 95-96. 93-94 were pretty bad years of gaming to my tastes. A glut of fighters and 2D platformers, not my thing.
 

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As of March 94

SNES
JP: 11.82m
NA: 14.45m
Oth: 5.85m
Tot: 32.12m

GEN
JP: 3.45m
NA: 11.85m
Oth: 7.25m
Tot: 22.55m

SNES numbers (hw especially) are still far too low...

Ignatz Mouse said:
I'll be more interested come 95-96. 93-94 were pretty bad years of gaming to my tastes. A glut of fighters and 2D platformers, not my thing.
It's all on VGCharts mate:

1995 (a glut of fighters and platformers funnily enough :lol )
1996 etc...
 

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I can proudly say I owned a Genesis:D I miss my Vectorman, MK3, Fifa 97 feat Bebeto, Sonic and Earth Worm Jim...


BTW, I see some expensive games there
 
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Why was Star Fox only $21? Didn't it come out in '93?
 

Square2005

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ioi said:
As of March 94

SNES
JP: 11.82m
NA: 14.45m
Oth: 5.85m
Tot: 32.12m

GEN
JP: 3.45m
NA: 11.85m
Oth: 7.25m
Tot: 22.55m

SNES numbers (hw especially) are still far too low...
What!? I hav scaled-up the '94 numbers so many times and they're still too low?
How do you you know they're low, ior?
3.24m - SNES in '94 & 3.62m - GEN still too low!?
This is just the U.S...
 

Square2005

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So should I continue these monthly classic-sales threads even tho ioi's site has much of the data already (scaled-up too high tho)?
If I do I wannit to be monthly not bi-monthly. Bi-monthly is too much work to prepare...
 

djtiesto

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Square2005 said:
So should I continue these monthly classic-sales threads even tho ioi's site has much of the data already (scaled-up too high tho)?
If I do I wannit to be monthly not bi-monthly. Bi-monthly is too much work to prepare...
YES, these threads are great and encourage some interesting discussion. It's fun to reminisce about what I'd like to think is the "golden age" of gaming.
 

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I like them. I sort of enjoy digging out my old Nintendo Powers. :) Just don't expect it to be multiple pages everytime, though, as a lot of posters aren't even old enough to remember the stuff coming out back then.

I say go for it. :)
 

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duffey said:
It's still really weird to think about prices then. I couldn't really see myself spending seventy dollars on an SNES game [Final Fantasy III] then and even now, but it sure did a decent job in December of 94.
Hardware prices really help make up for it. Genesis at $115 and SNES at $120 were a steal.

BTW, taking into account inflation, the 1994 equivalent of X360 would be $235 / $313 and PS3 would come in at $391 / $470.
 

djtiesto

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Also, if you want... I have a buncha 'classic' EGMs from the 94-95 era... I wouldn't mind posting some of the rumors for you, too.
 

Square2005

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djtiesto said:
Also, if you want... I have a buncha 'classic' EGMs from the 94-95 era... I wouldn't mind posting some of the rumors for you, too.
Ah, that'd be awesome; why didn't you post them thru-out my other '94 sales threads?
 

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I'd like these threads to continue. It's very interesting to see the software sales stats and comparison of hardware stats. Because back in the day, all you had to go off were magazines that didn't exactly report this data anyway.

Great sales for DKC. Understandably, it was a fantastic game. Played the hell out of it.

Interesting to see the Genesis was leading the SNES at that time. I had both systems but preferred my Megadrive. But for some reason I always thought it was the underdog.
 

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Square2005 said:
So should I continue these monthly classic-sales threads even tho ioi's site has much of the data already (scaled-up too high tho)?
If I do I wannit to be monthly not bi-monthly. Bi-monthly is too much work to prepare...
Yeah you should, but I suggest you improve the presentation of it. The formatting is a mess and no doubt puts people off looking at how things have done. You could just print screen your stuff and put it up as an image if you want or put the effort into making the text better formatted. Oh and you should have monthly sales, YTD and LTD on hardware and software each month too. Oh, and be patient. Just put one a week up or something, every week, the fact that you started with one every day or so and the inconsistency in the way they were released killed the chance of better discussion.
 

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Pointless to continue with a bunch of wrong data. There's just no way the SNES was still 3M units short of Genesis after Christmas 1994. It makes no sense. Regardless of how much we trust ioi's numbers, they seem to be more accurate here.

But yea, work on the formatting if you continue.
 

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Donkey Kong Country: the beginning of the end of Rare as consistent high-quality developer.

Great sales for Final Fantasy 3, which, along with Super Metroid, made '94 a landmark year.
 

Square2005

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heidern said:
Yeah you should, but I suggest you improve the presentation of it. The formatting is a mess and no doubt puts people off looking at how things have done. You could just print screen your stuff and put it up as an image if you want or put the effort into making the text better formatted. Oh and you should have monthly sales, YTD and LTD on hardware and software each month too. Oh, and be patient. Just put one a week up or something, every week, the fact that you started with one every day or so and the inconsistency in the way they were released killed the chance of better discussion.
What's this print screen you speak of?

Why hav YTD & LTD?
 

Square2005

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AdmiralViscen said:
Pointless to continue with a bunch of wrong data. There's just no way the SNES was still 3M units short of Genesis after Christmas 1994. It makes no sense. Regardless of how much we trust ioi's numbers, they seem to be more accurate here.
I never said that's the case, I'm guestimating: ? means I'm not sure/could be wrong...
but looking at articles from back then, w/ch usually made references to the NPD when mentioning sales, almost consistantly had Genny ahead of SNES until '95. X-mas '91,92,93, & 94 were dominated by Sega, no one (that i'm aware of ) claims otherwise who's seen the sales, so the gap couldn't hav been too close.
If anyone can find an article from then that says otherwise then let me know.
I've already had to scale-up SNES multiple times & sometimes scale down Sega from the original NPD data to get to these numbers.
 

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Okay let's look at ioi's shipments & try to estimate LTD sales in early '94:
GEN - 11.85m in N.A. (Mar/94)
SNES - 14.45m in N.A. (MAr/94)

So how much of these shipped are in Canada?
We hav exact data for N64 & DC so let's compare:
DC - 4.28m in N.A. | 4.008m sold in U.S. (NPD) ~6.7% for Canada
N64 - 20.78m in N.A. | 18.004m sold in U.S. (NPD) ~15.4% for Canada

So assuming the market share was similar during the 16-bit age:
GEN - at most sold w/n U.S. (Mar/94): ~11.1m
SNES - at most sold w/n U.S. (Mar/94): ~12.5m

Well these shipment figures contradict all news articles (& the NPD) from back then w/ch consistantly mention the Genesis ahead of SNES during this time...

*Updated the HW LTD on the chart. SNES now ahead.
 

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$10? That doesn't sound very cartridgey.
I remember picking up LoZ and Final Fantasy both around that time, brand new at Toys R Us for 9.99 a piece.
 

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What's this print screen you speak of?
You see the print screen key above Insert on your keyboard? If you press it it copies the entire screen to the clipboard. I assume your data is in some database, Excel or something. Open your data, press print screen, open up paint or some other image editor and paste(ctrl-v). Hey presto you stuff is in an image. Save and upload the image for nicely formatted data.

Square2005 said:
Why hav YTD & LTD?
Just to get a better idea of how things are doing.

Oh, and those DKC numbers are monstrous. Last December the top seller I think was Madden which sold 775K at $38.30. DKC did almost double the sales at $58 a piece.