CNN commentator calls for elimination of Israel, endorses violent Palestinian ‘resistance’

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Hill isn’t a reporter. He’s a pundit. They hired him to give his opinion. It’s just that this particular one is verboten in mainstream US politics.
Yeah, destroying Israel is just a "unpopular opinion" like rooting for the clippers over the lakers,

The defense I'm seeing for this idiot in this thread are really sad.,

I stated a fact. This post is performative emoting and virtue signaling that does not address what I said.
Is that what you call your whining?
 
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Yeah, destroying Israel is just a "unpopular opinion" like rooting for the clippers over the lakers,

The defense I'm seeing for this idiot in this thread are really sad.,


Is that what you call your whining?
More substance-free blinkered fake outrage. Not everyone supports the ethnostste, however angry that may make you.
 
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More substance-free blinkered fake outrage. Not everyone supports the ethnostste, however angry that may make you.
There is nothing fake about me laughing at you and the other fools defending this nonsense. My laughter is very real. This fantasy liberals have that Israel will just fall and it will be nice and peaceful is just cute

But please, tell me more about how you dislike ethnostates, says the poster who is literally defending an idiot pundit, who, when at the UN, joked about war and potential genocide
 
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There is nothing fake about me laughing at you and the other fools defending this nonsense. My laughter is very real. This fantasy liberals have that Israel will just fall and it will be nice and peaceful is just cute

But please, tell me more about how you dislike ethnostates, says the poster who is literally defending an idiot pundit, who, when at the UN, joked about war and potential genocide
I never said Israel will fall or anything would be nice and peaceful. Try to depart from just repeating the talking points you were told to say.
 
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I never said Israel will fall or anything would be nice and peaceful. Try to depart from just repeating the talking points you were told to say.
And I never said that you specifically did, did I?

I made a generalized comment about liberals because Mr Hill is one, and his role on CNN was often as a liberal guy. "Peaceful compromise" is what liberals tend to say they want publicly, but well Mr Hill diverted from the usual talking points and gave what he, and I assume most liberals actually believe.
 
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And I never said that you specifically did, did I?

I made a generalized comment about liberals because Mr Hill is one, and his role on CNN was often as a liberal guy. "Peaceful compromise" is what liberals tend to say they want publicly, but well Mr Hill diverted from the usual talking points and gave what he, and I assume most liberals actually believe.
Usually if you respond to someone it’s because you have something to say about what they said.

Apparently you just want to virtue signal and rant about “liberals.” Yawn.
 
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Usually if you respond to someone it’s because you have something to say about what they said.

Apparently you just want to virtue signal and rant about “liberals.” Yawn.
Every post you made in this thread so far has been you acting like an obtuse dick. You've complained about people "virtue signaling" in this thread, being disingenuous or being "Israel slappy". It's way to late to get on a high horse now.

Maybe work on that thin skin.
 
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Every post you made in this thread so far has been you acting like an obtuse dick. You've complained about people "virtue signaling" in this thread, being disingenuous or being "Israel slappy". It's way to late to get on a high horse now.

Maybe work on that thin skin.
Some liberals/leftists/Democrats may have a problem with Israel, especially it's treatment and subjugation of the Palestinians, but, as far as I'm aware, the Democrats don't have any holocaust deniers running on their ticket.

The GOP though? Oh boy:

"In North Carolina, for example, GOP officials are stuck with Russell Walker, a white supremacist running for the state House of Representatives. According to his personal website (littered with the n-word), he believes that “the jews are NOT semitic they are satanic as they all descend from Satan.” "

"In Illinois, meanwhile, the Republican Party shrugged off Arthur Jones, a candidate for the state’s 3rd Congressional district who boasted of his membership in the American Nazi Party. But Jones won the GOP primary, and now party officials, including ones who called Jones “morally reprehensible” and “a complete nutcase,” are scrambling to launch a write-in campaign. Jones’s campaign website features a section called “Holocaust?” in which he argues that the “idea that six million Jews, were killed by the National Socialist government of Germany, in World War II, is the biggest, blackest lie in history.

"Wisconsin’s Paul Nehlen, who is running to replace Speaker Paul Ryan. Nehlen’s too racist for Twitter and even for Gab, the preferred social media platform of the alt-right. Meanwhile, a California Republican running for Congress has been making appearances on neo-Nazi podcasts and argues on his campaign website that “diversity” is a Jewish plot. "

It is clear though which party has a problem with anti-semitism, and doesn't seem to be the Democrats....
 
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Every post you made in this thread so far has been you acting like an obtuse dick. You've complained about people "virtue signaling" in this thread, being disingenuous or being "Israel slappy". It's way to late to get on a high horse now.

Maybe work on that thin skin.
My posts were about the US media environment. Then you and the other member of thr outrage brigade jumped in, preferring, as is your wont, to sling insults and “HOW DARE YOU SIR?!?” rather than discuss the topic. Weak stuff all around.
 
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It is funny how people stan for ethnic nationalism when it suits their needs. The pundit was basically using the Palestine version of the 14 words, a phrase loaded with history, chanted at rallies that decry the elimination of Israel. The phrase has too much history to handwave it as nothing. It is a perfectly reasonable stance to be pro Palestine but this phrase is not the way to be supportive.
 
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At least he got David Duke on his side



Oh and David Duke also supports BDS



Nothing like good old KKK racist to come out and support your cause.
I really wouldn't go there, especially since you're a Trump supporter:

David Duke: Charlottesville protests about ‘fulfilling promises of Donald Trump’



https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...ottesville-protests-about-fulfilling-promises

"Why we voted for Donald Trump": David Duke explains the white supremacist Charlottesville protests

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/16138358/charlottesville-protests-david-duke-kkk


Former KKK leader David Duke praises Trump for his 'courage'

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...uke-reaction-trump-news-conference/570517001/

David Duke: Former KKK leader praises Donald Trump for saying 'Americans are dreamers too' in State of the Union

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-supremacist-americans-dreamers-a8186606.html

Trump's defense of the 'very fine people' at Charlottesville white nationalist march has David Duke gushing

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/donald-trump-david-duke-charlottesville/index.html

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At least he got David Duke on his side



Oh and David Duke also supports BDS



Nothing like good old KKK racist to come out and support your cause.
Plus you know that your party has actual REAL anti-semites running as candidates?

"In North Carolina, for example, GOP officials are stuck with Russell Walker, a white supremacist running for the state House of Representatives. According to his personal website (littered with the n-word), he believes that “the jews are NOT semitic they are satanic as they all descend from Satan.” "

"In Illinois, meanwhile, the Republican Party shrugged off Arthur Jones, a candidate for the state’s 3rd Congressional district who boasted of his membership in the American Nazi Party. But Jones won the GOP primary, and now party officials, including ones who called Jones “morally reprehensible” and “a complete nutcase,” are scrambling to launch a write-in campaign. Jones’s campaign website features a section called “Holocaust?” in which he argues that the “idea that six million Jews, were killed by the National Socialist government of Germany, in World War II, is the biggest, blackest lie in history.

"Wisconsin’s Paul Nehlen, who is running to replace Speaker Paul Ryan. Nehlen’s too racist for Twitter and even for Gab, the preferred social media platform of the alt-right. Meanwhile, a California Republican running for Congress has been making appearances on neo-Nazi podcasts and argues on his campaign website that “diversity” is a Jewish plot. "

Go after them, instead of a guy who just wants freedom and dignity for the Palestinian people.
 
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I really wouldn't go there, especially since you're a Trump supporter:

David Duke: Charlottesville protests about ‘fulfilling promises of Donald Trump’



https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...ottesville-protests-about-fulfilling-promises

"Why we voted for Donald Trump": David Duke explains the white supremacist Charlottesville protests

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/16138358/charlottesville-protests-david-duke-kkk

Former KKK leader David Duke praises Trump for his 'courage'

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...uke-reaction-trump-news-conference/570517001/

David Duke: Former KKK leader praises Donald Trump for saying 'Americans are dreamers too' in State of the Union

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-supremacist-americans-dreamers-a8186606.html

Trump's defense of the 'very fine people' at Charlottesville white nationalist march has David Duke gushing

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/donald-trump-david-duke-charlottesville/index.html

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Good way to derail this thread.

So any words on Duke supporting Lamont and BDS?

And BTW I am not an American nor a Trump supporter. Its not black and white, I like some of his stuff and dislike some of his other stuff.
 
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Plus you know that your party has actual REAL anti-semites running as candidates?

"In North Carolina, for example, GOP officials are stuck with Russell Walker, a white supremacist running for the state House of Representatives. According to his personal website (littered with the n-word), he believes that “the jews are NOT semitic they are satanic as they all descend from Satan.” "

"In Illinois, meanwhile, the Republican Party shrugged off Arthur Jones, a candidate for the state’s 3rd Congressional district who boasted of his membership in the American Nazi Party. But Jones won the GOP primary, and now party officials, including ones who called Jones “morally reprehensible” and “a complete nutcase,” are scrambling to launch a write-in campaign. Jones’s campaign website features a section called “Holocaust?” in which he argues that the “idea that six million Jews, were killed by the National Socialist government of Germany, in World War II, is the biggest, blackest lie in history.

"Wisconsin’s Paul Nehlen, who is running to replace Speaker Paul Ryan. Nehlen’s too racist for Twitter and even for Gab, the preferred social media platform of the alt-right. Meanwhile, a California Republican running for Congress has been making appearances on neo-Nazi podcasts and argues on his campaign website that “diversity” is a Jewish plot. "

Go after them, instead of a guy who just wants freedom and dignity for the Palestinian people.
Another deflection, and something you already posted on here. And are you saying Daivd Duke wants freedom for the Palestinian people? Or Lamont who used an antisemetic dog whistle?

Fuck all these republican anti semeties. I am not republican or american. But anti semetis are on both the left and right, Jews don't get it easy from either side.

Are you going to say the same about Mr Lamont who said that we needed to find the context in which Farakhan said Judaism was a gutter relegion? As if there is a context that saying that would be appropriate.

Your last sentance says it all. Go after other people and leave this guy alone for his anti semetism hes one of us good guys LOL.
 
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Good way to derail this thread.

So any words on Duke supporting Lamont and BDS?

And BTW I am not an American nor a Trump supporter. Its not black and white, I like some of his stuff and dislike some of his other stuff.
Yet I've never seen you denounce Trump over his catering to white supremacists/neo-nazis? You want to make a point about MLH, that David Duke agreed with him, ergo, MLH is an anti-semite. I then show you the numerous times David Duke has praised Trump, someone you have openly supported on this forum multiple times, and now you call that a derail.....

Another deflection, and something you already posted on here. And are you saying Daivd Duke wants freedom for the Palestinian people? Or Lamont who used an antisemetic dog whistle?

Fuck all these republican anti semeties. I am not republican or american. But anti semetis are on both the left and right, Jews don't get it easy from either side.

Are you going to say the same about Mr Lamont who said that we needed to find the context in which Farakhan said Judaism was a gutter relegion? As if there is a context that saying that would be appropriate.

Your last sentance says it all. Go after other people and leave this guy alone for his anti semetism hes one of us good guys LOL.
My point is, you pick and choose who you deem anti-semites. A guy is in solidarity with the Palestinian people (MLH, not Duke) and he is evil incarnate? GOP has candidates who call "Jews are children of Satan" or that the holocaust was a hoax etc, yet no threads from you about that.

It's almost like you have no issue with actual anti-semites, aslong as they don't show any solidarity for the Palestinians? "Be as anti-semitic as you want, just don't support the Palestinians". You and Bibi are very similar in that sense. His vocal support for Viktor Orban, a virulent anti-semite, just because Orban hates the Palestinians more.....

And please, don't try to compare the right and left on this. Name me one anti-semitic candidate running on the Democratic ticket. And remember, being anti-Israel or Pro-Palestinian doesn't make you an anti-semite.....

In conclusion, my point is that you cherry pick, like I've told you before. David Duke showing support for one MLH tweets makes MLH guilty, yet you seem to ignore the numerous times Duke has supported Trump, all because Trump hates the Palestinians more....
 
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Yet I've never seen you denounce Trump over his catering to white supremacists/neo-nazis? You want to make a point about MLH, that David Duke agreed with him, ergo, MLH is an anti-semite. I then show you the numerous times David Duke has praised Trump, someone you have openly supported on this forum multiple times, and now you call that a derail.....



My point is, you pick and choose who you deem anti-semites. A guy is in solidarity with the Palestinian people (MLH, not Duke) and he is evil incarnate? GOP has candidates who call "Jews are children of Satan" or that the holocaust was a hoax etc, yet no threads from you about that.

It's almost like you have no issue with actual anti-semites, aslong as they don't show any solidarity for the Palestinians? "Be as anti-semitic as you want, just don't support the Palestinians". You and Bibi are very similar in that sense. His vocal support for Viktor Orban, a virulent anti-semite, just because Orban hates the Palestinians more.....

And please, don't try to compare the right and left on this. Name me one anti-semitic candidate running on the Democratic ticket. And remember, being anti-Israel or Pro-Palestinian doesn't make you an anti-semite.....

In conclusion, my point is that you cherry pick, like I've told you before. David Duke showing support for one MLH tweets makes MLH guilty, yet you seem to ignore the numerous times Duke has supported Trump, all because Trump hates the Palestinians more....
So you know exactly what I think and decide to make this thread about me and not MLH. Good deflection.

Fuck all anti Semites regardless if they are left or right.

And BTW left/right isn't only Dem/Republican, its world wide. Being a non american I think you would understand that.

So stick to the topic in regards to MLH and his dog whistle comments and not what threads I make or don't make.

If you want to discuss MLH then go ahead, not me.
 
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We can discuss MLH and discuss your double standards when it comes to this issue....

And I've already said, I don't believe MLH is an anti-semite purely for standing in solidarity with the Palestinians.
 
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Some liberals/leftists/Democrats may have a problem with Israel, especially it's treatment and subjugation of the Palestinians, but, as far as I'm aware, the Democrats don't have any holocaust deniers running on their ticket.

The GOP though? Oh boy:

"In North Carolina, for example, GOP officials are stuck with Russell Walker, a white supremacist running for the state House of Representatives. According to his personal website (littered with the n-word), he believes that “the jews are NOT semitic they are satanic as they all descend from Satan.” "

"In Illinois, meanwhile, the Republican Party shrugged off Arthur Jones, a candidate for the state’s 3rd Congressional district who boasted of his membership in the American Nazi Party. But Jones won the GOP primary, and now party officials, including ones who called Jones “morally reprehensible” and “a complete nutcase,” are scrambling to launch a write-in campaign. Jones’s campaign website features a section called “Holocaust?” in which he argues that the “idea that six million Jews, were killed by the National Socialist government of Germany, in World War II, is the biggest, blackest lie in history.

"Wisconsin’s Paul Nehlen, who is running to replace Speaker Paul Ryan. Nehlen’s too racist for Twitter and even for Gab, the preferred social media platform of the alt-right. Meanwhile, a California Republican running for Congress has been making appearances on neo-Nazi podcasts and argues on his campaign website that “diversity” is a Jewish plot. "

It is clear though which party has a problem with anti-semitism, and doesn't seem to be the Democrats....
So basically you can't defend what Hill actually said, so you're bringing up random GOPers?

As if that makes what MLH said okay or defendable. Like I said, the defense you people are bringing up for this guy is pathetic.

We can discuss MLH and discuss your double standards when it comes to this issue....

And I've already said, I don't believe MLH is an anti-semite purely for standing in solidarity with the Palestinians.
Yeah, him wishing for violence and quoting "dog whistles" about essentially running the jews of Israel into the sea is what makes him an anti-semite.
 
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My posts were about the US media environment. Then you and the other member of thr outrage brigade jumped in, preferring, as is your wont, to sling insults and “HOW DARE YOU SIR?!?” rather than discuss the topic. Weak stuff all around.
:messenger_tears_of_joy: Is that how you see your posts in this thread. Talk about denial

I criticized a liberal and their "talking point" in our US media enviroment,, and you cried an whined as fucking usual. This is a common thing with you. You often act like a condescending ass, and then when you get attitude in return you act like a victim. Take your tears somewhere else
 
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So basically you can't defend what Hill actually said, so you're bringing up random GOPers?

As if that makes what MLH said okay or defendable. Like I said, the defense you people are bringing up for this guy is pathetic.


Yeah, him wishing for violence and quoting "dog whistles" about essentially running the jews of Israel into the sea is what makes him an anti-semite.
I'm bringing up the double standards of the right. There are GOPers who are actual anti-semites yet you stay silent and even vote for them (I'm not talking about "you" literally but "you" generally), yet get outraged about standing in solidarity with Palestinians.

My point about David Duke showing support for Trump garnering only silence from you, yet use his support for MLH's ONE statement as an excuse to crucify him.

He wants a Palestine from "the river to the sea" ie, the pre 1967 borders. It couldn't be any simpler. Your efforts in trying to find "racism" everywhere aren't really coming to fruition.
 
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:messenger_tears_of_joy: Is that how you see your posts in this thread. Talk about denial

I criticized a liberal and their "talking point" in our US media enviroment,, and you cried an whined as fucking usual. This is a common thing with you. You often act like a condescending ass, and then when you get attitude in return you act like a victim. Take your tears somewhere else
If you were criticizing "a liberal" why did you respond to me specifically? That's dumb.

You and the discourse police can insult me all you want (here you are yet again bitching about me personally. I must really stay on your mind huh?). Just don't confuse your childish insults with substance.
 
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Don't some politicians and commentators call for a one state solution that is pro Israel? Why is calling for a one state solution for the other group frowned upon? Sadly I have to admit I haven't really been keeping up on the conflict over there as much as I should
 
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I stated a fact. This post is performative emoting and virtue signaling that does not address what I said.
Your hilarious, i just stated what a normal human being would think and say. All you are doing and continue to do is deflect with bullshit replies, i feel sorry for you since all you want to see and hear is your own ignorance.
 
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I really wouldn't go there, especially since you're a Trump supporter:

David Duke: Charlottesville protests about ‘fulfilling promises of Donald Trump’



https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...ottesville-protests-about-fulfilling-promises

"Why we voted for Donald Trump": David Duke explains the white supremacist Charlottesville protests

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/16138358/charlottesville-protests-david-duke-kkk


Former KKK leader David Duke praises Trump for his 'courage'

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...uke-reaction-trump-news-conference/570517001/

David Duke: Former KKK leader praises Donald Trump for saying 'Americans are dreamers too' in State of the Union

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-supremacist-americans-dreamers-a8186606.html

Trump's defense of the 'very fine people' at Charlottesville white nationalist march has David Duke gushing

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/donald-trump-david-duke-charlottesville/index.html

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There are good people on both sides and there are radical violent people on both sides. Some people not associated with the KKK are tired of bowing to forced globalism.

However this is way off topic and you need to take it to PM imo.
 
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Sounds like a lot of work and interperative dance to twist a fairly benign statement into being a fireable offense. Especially with his further statements on Twitter explaining his position. No freedom of speech for him? No benefit of the doubt?
Well he said that the murder and kidnapping of 3 Jewish teenagers was not terrorism but "resistance". He called Rasmeh Odeh a noble and righteous. He characterized Khalid Abdul Mohammad as a teacher, mentor, and revolutionary hero (Khalid Abdul Muhammad was most famous for depicting Jews as people whose ancestors “slept in urination and defecation … for 2,000 years”; asserting that contemporary Jews were busy “sucking our [blacks’] blood on a daily and consistent basis”; accusing Jews of having provoked Adolf Hitler when they “went in there, in Germany, the way they do everywhere they go, and they supplanted, they usurped”; declaring that blacks, in retribution against South African whites of the apartheid era, should “kill the women,…kill the children,…kill the babies,…kill the blind,…kill the crippled,…kill the faggot,…kill the lesbian,…kill them all” ). And he also thought that there was an appropriate context for Farkahan to call Judaism a gutter relegion.

Not to mention in that very same speech he said that Palestinans should have more space to "resist" i.e. terrorism. And he complains against Israel's Iron Dome because its too good at stopping Hamas rockets and thats not fair as those rockets should be able to kill more. And of course he just happens to mistakenly use a phrase that everyone knows means destruction of Israel and ethnic cleansing/genocide of the Jews there.
 
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Well he said that the murder and kidnapping of 3 Jewish teenagers was not terrorism but "resistance". He called Rasmeh Odeh a noble and righteous. He characterized Khalid Abdul Mohammad as a teacher, mentor, and revolutionary hero (Khalid Abdul Muhammad was most famous for depicting Jews as people whose ancestors “slept in urination and defecation … for 2,000 years”; asserting that contemporary Jews were busy “sucking our [blacks’] blood on a daily and consistent basis”; accusing Jews of having provoked Adolf Hitler when they “went in there, in Germany, the way they do everywhere they go, and they supplanted, they usurped”; declaring that blacks, in retribution against South African whites of the apartheid era, should “kill the women,…kill the children,…kill the babies,…kill the blind,…kill the crippled,…kill the faggot,…kill the lesbian,…kill them all” ). And he also thought that there was an appropriate context for Farkahan to call Judaism a gutter relegion.

Not to mention in that very same speech he said that Palestinans should have more space to "resist" i.e. terrorism. And he complains against Israel's Iron Dome because its too good at stopping Hamas rockets and thats not fair as those rockets should be able to kill more. And of course he just happens to mistakenly use a phrase that everyone knows means destruction of Israel and ethnic cleansing/genocide of the Jews there.
Many feel that people like Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris or Ben Shapiro or (insert other "controversial" speaker here) are often misunderstood or taken out of context, and that their more extreme haters often willfully or accidentally misinterpret their words due to starkly different ways of thinking.

Do you feel that this could possibly be occurring here too? Do you ever think of what it might like feel like to be the one on the other side of that coin?
 
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Well he said that the murder and kidnapping of 3 Jewish teenagers was not terrorism but "resistance". He called Rasmeh Odeh a noble and righteous. He characterized Khalid Abdul Mohammad as a teacher, mentor, and revolutionary hero (Khalid Abdul Muhammad was most famous for depicting Jews as people whose ancestors “slept in urination and defecation … for 2,000 years”; asserting that contemporary Jews were busy “sucking our [blacks’] blood on a daily and consistent basis”; accusing Jews of having provoked Adolf Hitler when they “went in there, in Germany, the way they do everywhere they go, and they supplanted, they usurped”; declaring that blacks, in retribution against South African whites of the apartheid era, should “kill the women,…kill the children,…kill the babies,…kill the blind,…kill the crippled,…kill the faggot,…kill the lesbian,…kill them all” ). And he also thought that there was an appropriate context for Farkahan to call Judaism a gutter relegion.

Not to mention in that very same speech he said that Palestinans should have more space to "resist" i.e. terrorism. And he complains against Israel's Iron Dome because its too good at stopping Hamas rockets and thats not fair as those rockets should be able to kill more. And of course he just happens to mistakenly use a phrase that everyone knows means destruction of Israel and ethnic cleansing/genocide of the Jews there.
Can I get some sources for this? If it is true, then your accusation has some merit, but I doubt MLH ever actually said any of this.
 
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Many feel that people like Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris or Ben Shapiro or (insert other "controversial" speaker here) are often misunderstood or taken out of context, and that their more extreme haters often willfully or accidentally misinterpret their words due to starkly different ways of thinking.

Do you feel that this could possibly be occurring here too? Do you ever think of what it might like feel like to be the one on the other side of that coin?
For MLH, nope I think he knew exactly what he was talking about. He has a history of downplaying Palestinian terrorism and supporting antisemites.

Either way its like a white guy pretending that the N word is offensive and getting pissed at black people for getting offended by it. Jews know what that means and they know how they feel when its said. So he would of been better of saying from the river to the sea PALESTINE and ISRAEL will be free and then maybe I would buy what he is selling.

I am still wondering in what context calling Judasim a gutter relegion would not be considered antisemetic.
 
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So he got banned for dog whistling and has a history of infractions? :unsure:
I didn't read the exact reason CNN fired him (as far as I know he isn't banned, he was just let go of his position) thats their choice. CNN is getting some backlash from it so its their decision to stand by it or to reverse it.
 
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RIght so I went through all the sources,

1) Well I agree with him here. Under international law, a peoples is allowed to use any means, including violence, to achieve independence and self-determination. Otherwise an occupied people would just have to quietly accept their occupation, like lambs to the slaughter. So more anti-israel rather than anti-semitic.

2)Rasmeh Odeh was fighting for her liberation. Again, I may not agree with violence struggle, not because I'm a pacifist, but because I don't think it works, but they are allowed to use it. The early zionists comitted a shit tonne of violent resistance against the British in order to get independence. There are many streets named after these people who the British deemed terrorists, and two leaders of these terrorist groups even became PMs of Israel. So, again, an occupied people is allowed to use violence.

To the accusation that she was involved with the death of two Israeli teens, she denies it and says the confession was taken via torture and rape. Who knows the truth. I'm assuming if MLH defends her it's because he believes her to be innocent of these crimes, and not because he supports the killing of innocent people.

3) I couldn't find the actual source of that quote. I even tried googling "Marc Lamont Hill and Khalid Muhammad" but it was the same right wing pro-Israel outlets without an actual source to the quote.

4)Well if you look at the full quote, he is saying the iron dome allows Israel to act as aggressively as it wants against the palestinians without fear of repurcussion. He even talks about how, in the past, a violent solution wouldn't be Israel first go to move because of fear of revenge attacks, but now because of the iron dome, it can be as violent as it wants because it is safe behind the dome. (Which isn't even that effective if missile and ballistics UN experts are to be believed). So not anti-semitism. If anything, it's anti-israel.

5) I found the quote that Farrakhan made about Judaism being a gutter religion. The context doesn't make it a whole lot better. Some of his supporters are saying the religion he was actually referring to was "zionism" as he was talking about Israel at the time. I don't buy that, I think he probably does have a disdain for Jews in general. But did MLH know he was an anti-semite? I doubt it. Heck I didn't know that till today. I always just thought of him as black nationalist leader, but didn't know about his views on Judaism. Plus, MLH disavowed the anti-semitic messages Lousi Farrakhan made later so.....

So in conclusion, I still don't think MLH is anti-semite, I think people are really stretching to find something on him. His only real crime was to stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people. I'm guilty of that too.

PS: Thanks for the effort in finding the references mate.
 
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RIght so I went through all the sources,

1) Well I agree with him here. Under international law, a peoples is allowed to use any means, including violence, to achieve independence and self-determination. Otherwise an occupied people would just have to quietly accept their occupation, like lambs to the slaughter. So more anti-israel rather than anti-semitic.

2)Rasmeh Odeh was fighting for her liberation. Again, I may not agree with violence struggle, not because I'm a pacifist, but because I don't think it works, but they are allowed to use it. The early zionists comitted a shit tonne of violent resistance against the British in order to get independence. There are many streets named after these people who the British deemed terrorists, and two leaders of these terrorist groups even became PMs of Israel. So, again, an occupied people is allowed to use violence.

To the accusation that she was involved with the death of two Israeli teens, she denies it and says the confession was taken via torture and rape. Who knows the truth. I'm assuming if MLH defends her it's because he believes her to be innocent of these crimes, and not because he supports the killing of innocent people.

3) I couldn't find the actual source of that quote. I even tried googling "Marc Lamont Hill and Khalid Muhammad" but it was the same right wing pro-Israel outlets without an actual source to the quote.

4)Well if you look at the full quote, he is saying the iron dome allows Israel to act as aggressively as it wants against the palestinians without fear of repurcussion. He even talks about how, in the past, a violent solution wouldn't be Israel first go to move because of fear of revenge attacks, but now because of the iron dome, it can be as violent as it wants because it is safe behind the dome. (Which isn't even that effective if missile and ballistics UN experts are to be believed). So not anti-semitism. If anything, it's anti-israel.

5) I found the quote that Farrakhan made about Judaism being a gutter religion. The context doesn't make it a whole lot better. Some of his supporters are saying the religion he was actually referring to was "zionism" as he was talking about Israel at the time. I don't buy that, I think he probably does have a disdain for Jews in general. But did MLH know he was an anti-semite? I doubt it. Heck I didn't know that till today. I always just thought of him as black nationalist leader, but didn't know about his views on Judaism. Plus, MLH disavowed the anti-semitic messages Lousi Farrakhan made later so.....

So in conclusion, I still don't think MLH is anti-semite, I think people are really stretching to find something on him. His only real crime was to stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people. I'm guilty of that too.

PS: Thanks for the effort in finding the references mate.
Well you think the same as MLH so not really much point in engaging further or breaking it down point. You basically made the same excuses he would of made. I know where you and him both stand on all the issues.

Anyways final point is even if MLH wants to act obtuse and stupid on this and pretend he didn't dog whistle, saying from the river to the sea Palestine will be free is the same as using the "final solution" to Jews. You and others don't get to define what we find offesnive just like whites cant tell black people the N word isn't offensive. So MLH should of known better not to use that term, he could of simply said from the river to the sea Palestine and ISRAEL will be free but that doesn't jive with the whole Palestine replacing Israel he was going for.

This is what day to day Palestinans say from the river to the sea means.

 
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Well you think the same as MLH so not really much point in engaging further or breaking it down point. You basically made the same excuses he would of made. I know where you and him both stand on all the issues.

Anyways final point is even if MLH wants to act obtuse and stupid on this and pretend he didn't dog whistle, saying from the river to the sea Palestine will be free is the same as using the "final solution" to Jews. You and others don't get to define what we find offesnive just like whites cant tell black people the N word isn't offensive. So MLH should of known better not to use that term, he could of simply said from the river to the sea Palestine and ISRAEL will be free but that doesn't jive with the whole Palestine replacing Israel he was going for.

This is what day to day Palestinans say from the river to the sea means.

Well I guess that's where we part ways then.

I'll just like to leave with you one point though. When you accuse people like MLH of anti-semitism purely because he believes ALL people should have the right of self-determination, the word starts to lose all meaning, and there actually is real anti-semitism out there.....
 
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Well I guess that's where we part ways then.

I'll just like to leave with you one point though. When you accuse people like MLH of anti-semitism purely because he believes ALL people should have the right of self-determination, the word starts to lose all meaning, and there actually is real anti-semitism out there.....
Thats not why I accuse him of antisemetism. I accused him based on what I listed. Nor have I heard MLH talk about the other or people around the world and their right to self determination. What are his views on Tibetians, Kurds, SADR, Basque, Chechens, Cypricots, or Azerbijan just to name a few. Does he support ALL of these groups, and their use of terror and violence against civilians as well?

Also I don't think its antisemetic to want Palestinan self determination. Bibi believes in it(all though as a state minus). Avigodor Liberman believes in Palestinian self determination with terriotorial/population swaps. I don't think either are antisemeites. And believe it or not I beleive in it too, just in the Eastern part of Palestine, which is ruled by a foreign king who was installed by a colonial power.

In the end maybe he isn't antisemetic, but his statement was and he associates a lot with people who are. Its very possible he could just be a naive person who doesn't know any better.
 
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