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Communist merkel and her CPE pushes investment deal with china over the finish line.

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Communist merkel ruler of the in power Communist Party of Europe Pushes investment deal with china over the finish line.



China is your future EU get ready

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-...-merkel-pushes-finish-line-despite-criticism/
For critics, it's a rushed deal that's too soft on labor rights. For Angela Merkel, it's a strategic win and icing on the cake of Germany's Council of the EU presidency.

EU diplomats and officials say the German chancellor played a crucial role in finalizing the long-delayed EU-China investment agreement, which has taken more than seven years of negotiations. Those talks are set to be wrapped up Wednesday in a high-level videoconference between Brussels, Berlin and Beijing, just before Germany hands over the rotating presidency of the Council of the EU to Portugal at the end of the week.

The video call with Merkel, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, European Council President Charles Michel and Chinese President Xi Jinping is scheduled for 1 p.m. Brussels time Wednesday, the EU confirmed late Tuesday.


The leaders plan to give political endorsement to the deal, which would then still have to be legally revised, translated into different languages, and be officially approved by EU governments and the European Parliament as well as potentially national parliaments — a process that would take until early 2022 at least.

The European Commission said the agreement was a success story because it not only increases market access for European investors in China and tackles forced technology transfer, non-transparent subsidies and state-owned enterprises, but also commits China to “make continued and sustained efforts” to ratify international conventions on banning forced labor.

However, some EU countries like Belgium and the Netherlands have raised concerns about the EU's ability to address human rights issues under the agreement. Others like Poland are questioning why the EU is rushing ahead to seal the deal with China without waiting for the inauguration of U.S. President-elect Joe Biden, whose transition team has already voiced concerns about the deal.

Strong criticism is also coming from the European Parliament. "The Commission has folded on the issue of workers' rights," said Green MEP Reinhard Bütikofer, the chair of Parliament's delegation for relations with China. Bütikofer said that simple commitments on abandoning forced labor were not enough: "It is ridiculous to try selling that as a success."

The German lawmaker also criticized the deal as "a solo-run as we know it from the Donald Trump administration," and said: "Explain why three weeks ago the EU — which likes to call itself the flag bearer of multilateralism — said it wants to coordinate with the Biden administration vis-à-vis China, and now it tries to push through this deal just before Biden is inaugurated as president."

Theresa Fallon, director for the Centre for Russia Europe Asia Studies, also lambasted the planned investment agreement. "The main deliverable from Beijing's point of view was to drive a wedge in transatlantic relations, and Brussels appears to have complied," she said.


EU officials are rejecting criticism of rushing ahead with a deal without consulting the U.S., stressing that Washington secured its own trade and investment deal under President Trump and the EU is simply trying to get similar market-access conditions, which would allow Brussels and Washington to coordinate their China policies from a similar starting point.

One Commission official recalled that Brussels and Beijing committed in April 2019 at the highest political level to finalize the investment deal by the end of this year, and that both sides were sticking to their own target by now finalizing the negotiations, after having repeatedly failed to make substantial progress in the talks during previous years — "to the chagrin of some of those who are now criticizing this deal," as the official put it.

Yet there's also hardly any doubt in Brussels that the planned end-of-year conclusion of the deal — at an unusual moment for such high-profile agreements, between Christmas and New Year's — has Merkel's handwriting all over it.

The investment agreement is part of a strategic outreach to China that Merkel made a cornerstone of Germany's six-month Council presidency. "I believe that it is right and important to strive for good strategic relations with China," Merkel said on September 14, the day on which she had originally planned a giant EU-China summit in Leipzig, which had to be canceled due to the coronavirus pandemic and was replaced by a videoconference with China's Xi instead.

Level playing field​

For European businesses, particularly German carmakers and manufacturers, the agreement is of high importance as it would allow them to increase investments in the lucrative and steadily growing Chinese market without facing protectionist restrictions such as forced joint ventures, where local companies hold the majority of stakes and can access trade secrets.

"We must not have illusions at this point; instead, we must measure things against the realities," Merkel said in September. "Today, China is a clear competitor in many high technologies. So, of course, market access and the characteristics under which our trade takes place must be on an equal footing. A level playing field, as they say, must prevail."


Besides the strong steering from Berlin, which was reinforced in Brussels by German EU Ambassador Michael Clauss — who, by no coincidence, is the former German ambassador to Beijing — Merkel could also count on the “German engine" in the European Commission, as one EU diplomat put it: He named Björn Seibert, the head of cabinet of the Commission president; Sabine Weyand, the director general for trade; as well as Michael Hager, the chief of cabinet for Executive Vice President Valdis Dombrovskis, as part of that "engine."

Crucially, Merkel seems to have secured the backing of France for the accord. An official close to French Trade Minister Franck Riester, who just last week voiced criticism of the deal related to human rights, said on Tuesday that "things are moving in the right direction." One EU official said that Merkel had reached an understanding with French President Emmanuel Macron under which she would get to conclude the deal under the German presidency, while the ratification and signing of the deal would be finalized under the French Council presidency in the first half of 2022.

Until then, it will be crucial to address concerns over China's human rights record, particularly when it comes to forced labor among the Uighur Muslim minority. Beijing has faced further international criticism after a Chinese court on Monday sentenced citizen journalist Zhang Zhan to four years in prison for her reporting on the coronavirus pandemic in Wuhan.

One EU official said that the time still remaining to ratify the deal by 2022 or later could be used to exert pressure on China to fulfill its commitment to implementing international conventions against forced labor — something that the European Parliament will certainly push for.

"We will scrutinize this agreement very thoroughly," said Kathleen Van Brempt, the trade coordinator of the Socialist & Democrats group. "Market access, stricter rules on subsidies and state-owned enterprises as well as addressing forced technology transfers are important, but so are human rights and labor rights.

"The agreement should be a meaningful step towards improving labor conditions, particularly with regards to the Uighurs. It goes without saying that before ratification, a unilateral ban on the import of products from forced labor and child labor should be proposed," Van Brempt added.
 
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Now you see why they attack Russia so much?

They stand in the way of a complete China power vacuum to that part of the world.

I'm more intrigued than ever on how Russia views China and what their long-term goals are.

I view them both as evil Communist fucks, as any good American should, but I would like to see them eat each other.
 

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I'm more intrigued than ever on how Russia views China and what their long-term goals are.

I view them both as evil Communist fucks, as any good American should, but I would like to see them eat each other.
Them "eating each other" is just another vacuum out of the pages of WW2, only amplified with current tech and many more armed nations in the arena.
 
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I've already come to the conclusion that there likely will never be a WW3. Just economic wars of attrition and globalist overreach.
They found their control through viral form, in western unison. "Endless wars on viruses" will be the new rights stripping mantra.
 
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They found their control through viral form, in western unison. "Endless wars on viruses" will be the new rights stripping mantra.

Definitely intriguing.

I think they go hand in hand, as we've seen.

Perpetual lockdowns demolish the middle class, leaving nothing but broke SMB owners and front line / service industry workers (poor) and fuckbags like Newsom (boojie rich that can host private parties and don't have to follow the rules of the poors).

... fuck.
 
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Amazing. So China lies about a virus, covers it up, uses international pressure to lie to the entire world, EU gets destroyed economically and now they go back pandering to China like nothing happened.

This is why China DGAF. They can do whatever and no one cares. Your getting sold out to make the elites and the CCP rich. Just wait for the next virus to come out of China while EU gets on its knees and greases up its bum hole.
 

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It's all about protecting German industry, nothing else matters.

..The rest of the EU go along with it because without Germany, the EU is a bankrupt house of cards that would topple.
 

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I'm more intrigued than ever on how Russia views China and what their long-term goals are.

I view them both as evil Communist fucks, as any good American should, but I would like to see them eat each other.

It's been 30 years since the communists lost power in Russia. Today it's an overt plutocracy in contrast to America's covert plutocracy.
 
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I'm more intrigued than ever on how Russia views China and what their long-term goals are.

I view them both as evil Communist fucks, as any good American should, but I would like to see them eat each other.
Hard to say.
AFAIK mainstream Russian media never publishes anything that is even mildly critical of China.
 

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It's been 30 years since the communists lost power in Russia. Today it's an overt plutocracy in contrast to America's covert plutocracy.

I had always heard Putin yearned to resurrect the USSR (and essentially has with the Russian Federation)?

It may not be communism in name, but it ends up the same (authoritarian pluto-oligarchy).
 

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I had always heard Putin yearned to resurrect the USSR (and essentially has with the Russian Federation)?

It may not be communism in name, but it ends up the same (authoritarian pluto-oligarchy).
Eerrhmmm... nope. In USSR, the communist party was above all, even the president. In what Putin is trying to create, HE (and he alone) is positioning himself above all, damned be the parties or political system. Basically a de-facto monarch.
 
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The EU's economy, like most of the West, is very China dependent so even though they sometimes say they will get tough with China in the end they never do and instead reward them with deals and contracts.
 

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I had always heard Putin yearned to resurrect the USSR (and essentially has with the Russian Federation)?

It may not be communism in name, but it ends up the same (authoritarian pluto-oligarchy).


Authoritarian pluto-oligarchy is *not* even remotely communism. That's the corrupt bit that often ends up on top of communism, yes, but not the communism itself.

You can have democracy under that pluto-oligarchy as easily as communism. Just look at the US. ;)
 
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I had always heard Putin yearned to resurrect the USSR (and essentially has with the Russian Federation)?

It may not be communism in name, but it ends up the same (authoritarian pluto-oligarchy).


Not quite. He called the collapse of the USSR a geopolitical disaster. And he was right, because without another superpower to keep them in line, the yankee adminisyration has spent the past 30 years bombing, regime changing and reshaping the globe to their own ends. At the expense of those on the receiving of course, but also the American tax payer.
 
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War with China is inevitable at this point. Surgical strikes to cripple infrastructure and minimize civilian casualties. Hit them now because you know they’re eventually going to be able to steal good military technology.
 

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War with China is inevitable at this point. Surgical strikes to cripple infrastructure and minimize civilian casualties. Hit them now because you know they’re eventually going to be able to steal good military technology.
No offense, but if diplomats were as hot-headed as you seem to be when it comes to international relations, then we would've hit the Great Filter a long time ago.

Anyway, speaking in terms of actual surgical strikes: China is really big. Lots of military installations are hidden and unknown. China's military might is mostly unknown, but definitely top tier. It definitely includes nuclear weapons. It's like going blindfolded into a boxing match where the other guy might or might not have a rocket launcher trained on your lower intestines.
 
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No offense, but if diplomats were as hot-headed as you seem to be when it comes to international relations, then we would've hit the Great Filter a long time ago.

Anyway, speaking in terms of actual surgical strikes: China is really big. Lots of military installations are hidden and unknown. China's military might is mostly unknown, but definitely top tier. It definitely includes nuclear weapons. It's like going blindfolded into a boxing match where the other guy might or might not have a rocket launcher trained on your lower intestines.

No they have a shrinky dink conventional military force, no air power at all or naval power. I would suggest not pontificating about Chinese military capabilities, you are clueless. I’m not hot headed, just seeing what is very obviously a country unable to not wage economic war against the world. No need to hit military targets, they aren’t a threat, just cripple their capabilities as manufacturers.
 
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No they have a shrinky dink conventional military force, no air power at all or naval power. I would suggest not pontificating about Chinese military capabilities, you are clueless.
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No need to hit military targets, they aren’t a threat, just cripple their capabilities as manufacturers.
With surgical strikes? What are you proposing, exactly? I don't understand.
 
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The scale of your proposed barrage of surgical strikes is awesome. Look at China on a map. The whole coast is infrastructure, every bigger city is a manufacturing center.

This is an absurd conversation. I don't think I want to talk to you anymore.

I wouldn't worry about it, clearly too much CoD and vidya polluting minds.
 

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With surgical strikes? What are you proposing, exactly? I don't understand.

The parking lot strategy, obviously. As in: kill a couple of million people before China becomes too powerful to do the parking lot strategy. Yeah, this guy's a complete nutjob. If someone like him was in charge back in the 60ies, the entire planet would be a parking lot right now.
 

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War with China is inevitable at this point. Surgical strikes to cripple infrastructure and minimize civilian casualties. Hit them now because you know they’re eventually going to be able to steal good military technology.

Big think 🤔
 

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Do you understand what infrastructure is and manufacturing centers are? Those.
That’s literally shooting yourself in the foot. 1/3 of ALL manufacturing in the world happens in China. If you destroy that, you’ll inevitably cripple yourself to the point of severe hungers and dramatic quality of life decrease.

That’s the true power of China: our overdependance of their manufacturing infrastructure. They can destroy their own industries at the push of a button and they’ll still be fine, not so much the west.

The only way to truly fight or wage a war against China is to retool and recreate western and latin American manufacturing infrastructure, so we don’t depend on them and THEN do a “surgical strike” if you need to. Otherwise is a lost war since the beginning.
 
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Not quite. He called the collapse of the USSR a geopolitical disaster. And he was right, because without another superpower to keep them in line, the yankee adminisyration has spent the past 30 years bombing, regime changing and reshaping the globe to their own ends. At the expense of those on the receiving of course, but also the American tax payer.

Fair enough.
 

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That’s literally shooting yourself in the foot. 1/3 of ALL manufacturing in the world happens in China. If you destroy that, you’ll inevitably cripple yourself to the point of severe hungers and dramatic quality of life decrease.

That’s the true power of China: our overdependance of their manufacturing infrastructure. They can destroy their own industries at the push of a button and they’ll still be fine, not so much the west.

The only way to truly fight or wage a war against China is to retool and recreate western and latin American manufacturing infrastructure, so we don’t depend on them and THEN do a “surgical strike” if you need to. Otherwise is a lost war since the beginning.
Reliant, not dependent, and just cost related. We also have to save western corporations from themselves.
 
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You’re not too bright are you Bub?

You’re pointing out who is bright whilst wanting the USA to unilaterally just turn a chunk of China into what is it? A car park.

Dude there so much wrong with that idea I’m just glad you’re far away anything resembling power.
 
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You’re pointing out who is bright whilst wanting the USA to unilaterally just turn a chunk of China into what is it? A car park.

Dude there so much wrong with that idea I’m just glad you’re far away anything resembling power.

Seriously shit like that means the world is fucked and we are all going to die i don't know why idiots like him don't get that the edgy shit he spews is fucking embarrassing even for his kind.
 
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This thread looks like almost non-redeemable.

Communist Merkel, EU that would "go bankrupt" without Germany, Merkel that can decide on behalf of entire EU, are you OK???

Economic aspect of it is indisputable, it drops idiotic restrictions that apply to EU investments.
Political aspect of it, namely, finishing it off before Binden something-something (what, by the way?) is arguable.
Human rights aspect bitching is outright ridiculous.
 

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Seriously shit like that means the world is fucked and we are all going to die i don't know why idiots like him don't get that the edgy shit he spews is fucking embarrassing even for his kind.

I don’t understand how he he thinks the US can just go “ fuck u Chyna” do a tactical strike potentially killing millions and walk away scot free 🙄 Covid would be a nothing burger compared to a situation like that.
 

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You’re pointing out who is bright whilst wanting the USA to unilaterally just turn a chunk of China into what is it? A car park.

Dude there so much wrong with that idea I’m just glad you’re far away anything resembling power.

I guess you don’t understand how to go about crippling an infrastructure. It’s why we have an advanced military. Dems won’t do it that’s their dad but somebody has to.
 
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I guess you don’t understand how to go about crippling an infrastructure. It’s why we have an advanced military. Dems won’t do it that’s their dad but somebody has to.

Given the current state of US politics I think you guys should stop worrying about China and start working on unifying the Country before you pick a fight with the 2nd biggest world power causing a world of shit for the rest of us. 🙄