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Plague Doctor

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Yeah this whole containment was a joke. Sweden is 10.2m population, Quebec is 8.5m population.

Sweden had 32k cases, 3.9k deaths
Quebec had 46k cases, 3.8k deaths

One stayed open, one destroyed its economy

Good job!
But which made their leaders feel self righteous and smug while getting a taste of martial law while the press cheered them on?

You aren't factoring in that statistic. The morale rate for those leaders is at an all time high. They are very pleased with themselves.
 
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But which made their leaders feel self righteous and smug while getting a taste of martial law while the press cheered them on?

You aren't factoring in that statistic. The morale rate for those leaders is at an all time high. They are very pleased with themselves.
Try again, more and more people are realising this lockdown was just a fraud and are especially getting very angry at the government.

And moral rate? How many billions is worth moral rate? Please, heh

I guess Trudeau is alright in paying 250 billions for winning the next elections and 'moral rate' as well

What a joke
 
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Try again, more and more people are realising this lockdown was just a fraud and are especially getting very angry at the government.

And moral rate? How many billions is worth moral rate? Please, heh

I guess Trudeau is alright in paying 250 billions for winning the next elections and 'moral rate' as well

What a joke
If one person can live out a lifelong dream of climbing the political ladder and blocking their own citizen from buying seeds to somehow prevent the spread of a virus, that's easily worth $25,000. Maybe $30,000. Cash. I wouldn't go higher than that though.

We need to lock everything down to 2027 according to the press and should probably start conversing cash.
 
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If one person can live out a lifelong dream of climbing the political ladder and blocking their own citizen from buying seeds to somehow block a virus, that's easily worth $25,000. Maybe $30,000. Cash. I wouldn't go higher than that though.
Cept blocking people from buying seeds didn't block the virus since the virus was injected into the elderly care homes by the health system that 'we needed to protect' by staying home.

Ironic, isn't it
 

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Cept blocking people from buying seeds didn't block the virus since the virus was injected into the elderly care homes by the health system that 'we needed to protect' by staying home.

Ironic, isn't it
I would argue that the governors knew they may have been too harsh on the whole preventing religious gatherings and local parks and decided to go a little light on assisted care facilities. Have you been to those places? Thick walls. Mighty thick walls. Also, the patients need the human contact. They get depressed when they are lonely. It's worth the risk and the governors knew it from the beginning.

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Malakhov

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I would argue that the governors knew they may have been too harsh on the whole preventing religious gatherings and local parks and decided to go a little light on assisted care facilities. Have you been to those places? Thick walls. Mighty thick walls. Also, the patients need the human contact. It's worth the risk.
No, that's not it. The hospitals, our healthcare system, contaminated the elderly care homes.

I know, I work at one of these hospitals.

We sent back still covid positive patients back into their elderly care homes, 'to protect our system' while people were ordered to stay home

The result is we've basicly set all of those homes on fire.

But yeah, well just say it was healthcare employees being sent from a hot zone to a cold zone, so we'll look better
 
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Malls, retail stores, dine-in restaurants are now open in the IE.

Fuck Newsom.

I went out today to a theater since they're doing drive-through for concessions (a big bag of popcorn lasts us a week and it's awesome popcorn, $10) and the 10 FWY through the IE was fucking PACKED with cars. Took me an hour round trip.
 
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The issue wasn't the healthcare system, the issue was how old age homes dealt with this pandemic. Which was piss poor. These places should've been top priority with restrictions but it was too little too late, by the time they reacted so many of them were turned into infection hotspots.

By all metrics Ontario shouldve been the province that got destroyed but it didn't because the right people made the right decisions ahead of time.
It was both, one led to the other.

I'm not sure how you can say "the right people made the right decisions ahead of time" when the situation in Ontario looks like this:

The Ministry of Long-Term Care daily report states there are now 171 outbreaks in long-term care homes, with 2,252 active cases of COVID-19 in residents and 1,523 active cases in long-term care staff. The ministry reports 1,486 long-term care residents and six staff have died from COVID-19. The ministry’s report includes information reported directly by long-term care homes. Public Health Ontario’s daily report includes information reported by regional health units, and tends to lag behind what is reported by the ministry.

Public Health Ontario is also reporting ongoing outbreaks at 79 retirement homes and 54 hospitals.

The only bright spot I can glean there is that the province's total numbers don't match Quebec's, the lowest of standards when it comes to protecting the most vulnerable. Is there any state/province or city in the world that did a worse job protecting its long term care facilities/nursing homes from this virus?
 
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No, that's not it. The hospitals, our healthcare system, contaminated the elderly care homes.

I know, I work at one of these hospitals.

We sent back still covid positive patients back into their elderly care homes, 'to protect our system's while people were ordered to stay home

The result is we've basicly set all of those homes on fire.

But yeah, well just say it was healthcare employees being sent from a hot zone to a cold zone, so we'll look better

Are you trying to say many places did this all ass backwards?

We placed those most susceptible citizens with compromised immune systems due to age and medical conditions in harm's way while simultaneously we tanked the economy for the majority who statically recover at an extremely high rate from the disease without even the need for hospitalizations?

That some areas may never recover from the knee jerk and authoritarian tactics that didn't help shit past the initial 2 weeks to ensure the hospitals were well stocked?

Well let's just agree to disagree. I don't believe the news and the governors would mislead me.

Besides, they have fancy infographics on twitter and the pundit class seems to love them.
 
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Are you trying to say many places did this all ass backwards?

We placed those most susceptible with compromised immune systems due to age and medical conditions in harm's way while simultaneously we tanked the economy for the majority who statically recover at an extremely high rate from the disease without even the need for hospitalizations?

That some areas may never recover from the knee jerk and authoritarian tactics that didn't help shit past the initial 2 weeks to ensure the hosptials were well stock?

Well let's just agree to disagree. I don't believe the news and the governors would mislead me. They have fancy infographics.
I don't know if even the first two weeks was a good thing, we sent the patients back during these two first weeks 😂

I knew it was shite the moment a Montreal elderly care home called us a Saturday morning for a massive amount of Tylenol suppositories because half of their patients had fever and headaches.

One week later 100 patients on 200 patients were covid positive.

Ah, it was pretty scary watching this all unfold from the interior
 
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I don't know if even the first two weeks was a good thing, we sent the patients back during these two first weeks 😂

I knew it was shite the moment a Montreal elderly care home called us a Saturday morning for a massive amount of Tylenol suppositories because half of their patients had fever and headaches.

One week later 100 patients on 200 patients were covid positive.

Ah, it was pretty scary watching this all unfold from the interior
Real talk here. I'll give them the first 2 weeks. The knowledge on Covid was scarce to disseminate at that point. While it might be a little overboard with 20/20 hindsight, ensuring the hospitals could handle the increased caseload was prudent.

Past those first 2 to 4 weeks has been a shit show.
 
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Real talk here. I'll give them the first 2 weeks. The knowledge on Covid was scarce to disseminate at that point. While it might be a little overboard, esnuring the hospitals could handle it was prudent.

Past those 2 weeks has been a shit show.
Yeah if I try to look at this without the bitterness I have right now it was probably the right thing to do. Heck, maybe even a month.

This whole thing is just a disaster from our healthcare system. It did the whole damage on its own, so many terrible stories, so many sad stories witnessed.

And the worst thing from that is it wont change.
 
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Anyone with half a brain would understand that Canada's health care system as a whole is superior to America's in almost every way. I know you want to do the whole "liberal" schtick, but the main reason for so many deaths in Quebec is because it ravaged old age homes. There was little hope once these places were infected.

The issue wasn't the healthcare system, the issue was how old age homes dealt with this pandemic. Which was piss poor. These places should've been top priority with restrictions but it was too little too late, by the time they reacted so many of them were turned into infection hotspots.

By all metrics Ontario shouldve been the province that got destroyed but it didn't because the right people made the right decisions ahead of time.
The issue was the healthcare system. We had very good numbers in the first weeks because as soon as a patient was getting better, even if he/she was still covid positive, we would send them back to their old age homes.

The problem is the old age homes weren't ready for that. They didn't have the equipment nor the staff to deal with this.

The healthcare system was incompetent on the whole front. Add that to other factors such as false negative covid tests, bad luck etc.. and you have the disaster we got

We had a patient testing negative after a surgery (she had symptoms so tested her) so they sent her back to the post-op unit, then to a floor unit.

Next day the symptoms got worst, did a 2nd test, turned out to be positive.

Guess what happened next?

Terrible shit I tell you. We had a retired pharmacist on that unit who also had surgery. He was infected and he died last week.
 
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It was both, one led to the other.

I'm not sure how you can say "the right people made the right decisions ahead of time" when the situation in Ontario looks like this:




The only bright spot I can glean there is that the province's total numbers don't match Quebec's, the lowest of standards when it comes to protecting the most vulnerable. Is there any state/province or city in the world that did a worse job protecting its long term care facilities/nursing homes from this virus?
There is roughly 70,000 long term care patients in Ontario, with those numbers that means around 2% infection rate. Meanwhile 70% of covid related deaths in Quebec were in long term care. All I'm saying is there has to be more to it than just the shortcomings of the healthcare system. When did both provinces start reacting to the incoming storm? How did policies differ between them? Shit like that.

By the time this is "over" there is going to be a mountain of data to comb through and hopefully that knowledge is used productively.
 

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There is roughly 70,000 long term care patients in Ontario, with those numbers that means around 2% infection rate. Meanwhile 70% of covid related deaths in Quebec were in long term care. All I'm saying is there has to be more to it than just the shortcomings of the healthcare system. When did both provinces start reacting to the incoming storm? How did policies differ between them? Shit like that.

By the time this is "over" there is going to be a mountain of data to comb through and hopefully that knowledge is used productively.
Most likely because we have an air head hippie mayor.

It took Quebec forever to stop people from working in multiple homes. BC had the first outbreak and they stopped that shit right away.

Our PM totally lost control of the situation while employees abandoned the homes leaving people to die. And then all the PM could do is beg retired people and students to work in the homes untill the federal government sent some help.

In Montreal 80% of our deaths are in these residence. My burrough its 227 out of 242.

And our mayor is worrying about bike lanes and closing off main streets to car traffic.

And you have the poster here saying that the hospitals just sent infected people back which was done under the nose of the leadership. Nothing gets done in Quebec without the relevant bureacry approving it.
 
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Real talk here. I'll give them the first 2 weeks. The knowledge on Covid was scarce to disseminate at that point. While it might be a little overboard with 20/20 hindsight, ensuring the hospitals could handle the increased caseload was prudent.

Past those first 2 to 4 weeks has been a shit show.
The reason I was against even the initial two weeks was that I expected exactly what has ended up happening: Endless lockdown with no exit strategy. Yeah things are starting to reopen in phases finally, but this is 8-10 weeks later.

I foresaw EXACTLY THIS happening from day one. There was never ANY chance they were going to lock down for 'only' 2-4 weeks. If they could justify locking down when there were almost no cases, clearly we were going to stay in some form of lockdown until there were once again almost no cases. Especially with how the insane fearmongering had already been cranked up to 11 in mid to late March.

I said back then that we would have been better off it world governments had swept this under the rug and just lumped it in with flu. Yeah it would have looked like an extremely bad flu season; devastatingly bad even; perhaps enough to strongly encourage a few extra precautions that we don't normally do during flu season. But life would have gone on without destroying the economy, and no, 2.2 million Americans would not have died. Not that I'm normally in favor of governments papering over things, but in this case it probably would have worked out better than this current mostly-self-inflicted mess. Would have been hard not to.

(Though I didn't see the mask about-face coming. EVERY expert admonishing people for wearing 'useless' masks, pointing to established science with regard to the flu and past similar viruses like SARS. But then somewhere along the line they did a swift reversal for really no good reason. Nothing actually changed about our understanding of how the virus was transmitted. It was always respiratory droplets.)

And don't get me started on this fucking childhood inflammation disorder bullshit. This is just the next phase in the fearmongering campaign. We are not sending our damn kids to school wearing masks in the fall. They can fuck right off if that's their idea of what should happen. The world has gone absolutely insane. Mass hysteria.
 

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The reason I was against even the initial two weeks was that I expected exactly what has ended up happening: Endless lockdown with no exit strategy. Yeah things are starting to reopen in phases finally, but this is 8-10 weeks later.

I foresaw EXACTLY THIS happening from day one. There was never ANY chance they were going to lock down for 'only' 2-4 weeks. If they could justify locking down when there were almost no cases, clearly we were going to stay in some form of lockdown until there were once again almost no cases. Especially with how the insane fearmongering had already been cranked up to 11 in mid to late March.

I said back then that we would have been better off it world governments had swept this under the rug and just lumped it in with flu. Yeah it would have looked like an extremely bad flu season; devastatingly bad even; perhaps enough to strongly encourage a few extra precautions that we don't normally do during flu season. But life would have gone on without destroying the economy, and no, 2.2 million Americans would not have died. Not that I'm normally in favor of governments papering over things, but in this case it probably would have worked out better than this current mostly-self-inflicted mess. Would have been hard not to.

(Though I didn't see the mask about-face coming. EVERY expert admonishing people for wearing 'useless' masks, pointing to established science with regard to the flu and past similar viruses like SARS. But then somewhere along the line they did a swift reversal for really no good reason. Nothing actually changed about our understanding of how the virus was transmitted. It was always respiratory droplets.)

And don't get me started on this fucking childhood inflammation disorder bullshit. This is just the next phase in the fearmongering campaign. We are not sending our damn kids to school wearing masks in the fall. They can fuck right off if that's their idea of what should happen. The world has gone absolutely insane. Mass hysteria.
The media and some in the US hate Trump so much this is all worth it to them if they can get him out of office in November.
 
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As they state themselves, the 1969 virus was far less deadly.

Between 1968 and 1970, the Hong Kong flu killed between an estimated 1 and 4 million, according to the CDC and Encyclopaedia Britannica, with US deaths exceeding 100,000.
100.000 deaths in two years then, 100.000 deaths in two months now even with a lockdown. This is basic math, one is more then the other so the response is more drastic.
 

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The media and some in the US hate Trump so much this is all worth it to them if they can get him out of office in November.
I have no doubt many on the left are LOVING this behind closed doors. Some of them are no doubt pumping off to the death numbers as long as they can conceivably pin this on Trump. And then the added bonus of using this to make their dream of infinite ballot harvesting a reality. Absolutely disgusting.
 

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As they state themselves, the 1969 virus was far less deadly.



100.000 deaths in two years then, 100.000 deaths in two months now even with a lockdown. This is basic math, one is more then the other so the response is more drastic.
We don't have any proof the lockdown actually saved lives. We already know in many areas the panic may have actually COST lives when they were so afraid of running out of hospital beds that they were shipping still-contagious patients back into nursing homes. Then of course we have the revelation that two thirds of new cases in New York now are occurring people who have been more or less sheltering in place.

(And this all assumes you believe the official count, and that you think it's an apples to apples comparison between this and the Hong Kong Flu death count; for example, I doubt Hong Kong Flu carriers who died in an unrelated car accident ever had "Hong Kong Flu" written on their death certificates as the cause.)

This has been one big social experiment. I'm sure they're thrilled. We have proven by and large very docile and controllable. If you are complying with the mask orders for example, you are part of the problem, period.
 

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Those people in the nursing homes still died of the virus. If you blame policy more then the disease itself, well then you can freely reduce the death count to zero.
 

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We don't have any proof the lockdown actually saved lives. We already know in many areas the panic may have actually COST lives when they were so afraid of running out of hospital beds that they were shipping still-contagious patients back into nursing homes. Then of course we have the revelation that two thirds of new cases in New York now are occurring people who have been more or less sheltering in place.

(And this all assumes you believe the official count, and that you think it's an apples to apples comparison between this and the Hong Kong Flu death count; for example, I doubt Hong Kong Flu carriers who died in an unrelated car accident ever had "Hong Kong Flu" written on their death certificates as the cause.)

This has been one big social experiment. I'm sure they're thrilled. We have proven by and large very docile and controllable. If you are complying with the mask orders for example, you are part of the problem, period.

I'll quote somethin i posted earlier in this thread in the hope i won't read such nonsense again, but i think i have to post it in every page for people to stop. Also reading the last part of your post, you sound like an idiot. Just war the fuckin mask and stop complaining, it won't hurt you, but it could potentially safe others.

So please read this and stop spreading nonsense:


Here are some numbers for some people that still doubt the sevreness of this disease:

Difference in Numbers of Deaths in some Italian regions between March 2020 and the average from 2015-2019

Brescia:
1385 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
4450 (2020) +290%

Cremona:
496 (Avg. 2015-2019)
1999(2020) +391%

Lodi:
264 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
1056 (2020) + 370%

Bergamo:
1180 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
6238 (2020) + 567%



Hope this will stop people claiming this diease isn't serious.
 
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Which place has the higher population density?
Whole province of Quebec is 8 people per square kilometer, Sweden is 22.

Montreal is 4500 people per square kilometer
Stockholm is 4800 people per square kilometer

Both biggest town are very similar. Whole province vs whole country, Sweden has higher population density.
 
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People thought 'chips' being put into vaccines was a consiracy theory, and yet here is a CEO admitting that that's exactly what is going to be put into a lot of these vaccines
i admit i'm not up to date with conspiracy theories,..,but the chip he seems to be talking about is just the one you can see on the bottom part of the pre-made syringe and contains info on the syringe itself to assure there's no counterfeit vaccines around.

the chips is not "into" the vaccine much like the plastic label on a wine bottle is not "into" the wine.

so yeah chips being inoculated through vaccines (if this is the conspiracy theory around) is still madman talk
 

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I still find the Hysteria about those Microchips hilarious, since all of them use Smartphones that do exactly that lol.
 
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Just war the fuckin mask and stop complaining
How about no. hrm, I mean, Ay Komrade!

Looks like the lockdowns worked really well in those cities you cited. Feel free to post that on every page, but it doesn't dispel anything I said.

That Dr. Fauci dude said we should re-open before lockdown makes things worse. I wonder if the dems and the blue states are gonna listen to him.
What, does Fauci value money over lives? I think this dangerous misinformation he is spouting needs to be censored.
 
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How about no. hrm, I mean, Ay Komrade!

Looks like the lockdowns worked really well in those cities you cited. Feel free to post that on every page, but it doesn't dispel anything I said.



What, does Fauci value money over lives? I think this dangerous misinformation he is spouting needs to be censored.
Then you are a shit person. That's all. I'm Happy you don't live near me.

I also presume you don't fasten your seatbelt, cause Freedom am i right?
 
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Then you are a shit person. That's all. I'm Happy you don't live near me.

I also presume you don't fasten your seatbelt, cause Freedom am i right?
All the experts and all the science indicated most masks (particularly cloth masks) for similarly transmitted respiratory ailments were useless and/or bad, as recently as early April. Show me the research that proves masks are such a massive net positive that they should be mandated. It's all based on assumptions (or something more sinister, which you have already laughed off; that's your prerogative).

You're free to believe that I'm a shit person because I don't agree with you; whatever helps you sleep at night. I'm also free to believe that you're a spineless sheep incapable of thinking for yourself.
 
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That ApiJect Systems America story above had me digging for a little more info and the 500 million vaccine doses they're preparing seems to lend credence to the idea that this may be forced on everyone.

Is there anything suspicious about the 2017-2018 Department of Defense study below checking for potential interference between a flu vaccine and respiratory viruses or was it just one of many run of the mill studies they usually conduct?

 

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All the experts and all the science indicated most masks (particularly cloth masks) for similarly transmitted respiratory ailments were useless and/or bad, as recently as early April. Show me the research that proves masks are such a massive net positive that they should be mandated. It's all based on assumptions (or something more sinister, which you have already laughed off; that's your prerogative).

You're free to believe that I'm a shit person because I don't agree with you; whatever helps you sleep at night. I'm also free to believe that you're a spineless sheep incapable of thinking for yourself.
If you need a research to Tell you that you emit less virus while wearing a mask i don't know what to Tell you. You probably also think that Doctors shouldn't wear any? Damn, why did they make such a fuss about needing masks? They should have listened to the Gaf User, surely he knows more than any Medico and virologist.

While you are at it, since apparently you are so fuckin smart and understand whats behind all of this.
Tell me, what do anybody gain, from making masks mandatory?

Next , why Is It, that in Asia countries like South Korea, the virus didn't spread as much? Give you a hint, wearing masks Is pretty common there.

If there is even the tiny chance, that making masks mandatory Will result in less deaths, i don't fuckin understand how anyone ist against it.
 

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Show me the research that proves masks are such a massive net positive that they should be mandated.
Not saying they necessarily should be mandated, but I do think there is no question that masks can help reduce spread dramatically. Some discussion from Dr. Campbell the other day about a study that came out recently.

 
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I'm not positive yet, but I believe my roommate and I may have the Covid-19 virus. We got the swab test last Monday and are still waiting on the results. If it is it, I'm thankful it's been a mild case.

I hope you all and your loved ones are well and STAY that way. Much love and praying for you. ❤
Good luck and god speed. Try and get some sun and vitamins. Just remember that 99.5% of people recover from this unless you are 70 years old with a health complications.
 

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Just wear a mask. If you are outside away from people or with people who aren't infected (and you aren't) then fine.

But if you are going in public, stores, casinos, whatever wear a mask. Its not the hardest thing to do and its better than lock downs and taking away your other freedoms.

The mask in the end is not to protect you its to protect others and by not wearing one you are really saying you don't care about other people.

Like ya I get you don't want your phone traced, you don't want to be told to close your business, or to stay home, but a mask is right up there with washing your hands on how small of an ask it is of people.
 

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Good luck and god speed. Try and get some sun and vitamins. Just remember that 99.5% of people recover from this unless you are 70 years old with a health complications.
Thank you so much! I'm blessed to have a job where I work from home...so aside from a couple of days, I've still been able to work. I've been resting a lot between shifts and have seen some improvements thankfully. :)
 
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