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Coronavirus Global Pandemic |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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I cannot handle this overwhelmingly massive contradiction. I don't think I've ever seen hypocrisy on this level before in my life.

How do these people deal with the cognitive dissonance?

I'm so fucking mad my son's Kindergarten year was cancelled for this bullshit.
 

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This is the most disgusting and infuriating thing I have seen. Well maybe not because I have seen people beaten and killed, but this is up there.

Like WTF, 2 weeks ago people couldn't visit their dying parents. You couldn't have a funeral, or wedding that you spent years planning. Fathers could not even see their babies born in some places.

And throw it all away so you can have a little dance party.

I have never said this before but these people all deserve CV and no treatment.

People died alone, people died in their SHIT and these fuckers are dancing because there to lazy to go back to fucking work and want free money and free stuff.
 

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edit: moving to the other thread since it's more relevant there.
 
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I have to get a COVID test before I get a procedure coming up. Not sure if it's gonna be mouth or nose swab, but I banged up my nose recently and it's all scabbed up, so if it's the nose thing not sure how that's gonna work.
 

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That was his theory, and he was proven dead wrong.
Sweden is no closer to herd immunity than any of its neighbors.
If you read the article you will see just how much higher their deaths per 100,000 are than their neighbors.
Their economy was hurt anyway, and if they're prevented from traveling because other countries deem it dangerous, that's just another failure.
Makes no sense though. If Sweden has a similar population infection rate as its neighbors but. higher death rates what did having lockdown do for everyone else?

Either Sweden does have a greater exposure rate or they are selectively dying at a higher rate (immigrant population?). Or the surrounding countries are underreporting.
 
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So we can expect an spike of Corona cases by 15-20 june in NY due to current protests?
Not that quickly. Most of the protestors seem young, so if they get it, they'll likely be asymptomatic. They would then need to spread it to others who are more susceptible, but that takes time.

That said, it's almost irrelevant now. Trump and conservatives started on this path over a month ago, so it's hilarious to see some complaining now.
 
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Not that quickly. Most of the protestors seem young, so if they get it, they'll likely be asymptomatic. They would then need to spread it to others who are more susceptible, but that takes time.

That said, it's almost irrelevant now. Trump and conservatives started on this path over a month ago, so it's hilarious to see some complaining now.
I would say shit show will start in middle of June. As you say, young might be fine but they can pass to their family
 
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Hello wuhan clan.

Please explain to me how the virus is not spreading on blm protest but spreads under anti lockdwon protest or max 50 people gatherings?

Fuck dont answer it . This is just so frustrating for me with my current situation where we cant even visit my mother in law in the hospital where she is for the last 4 weeks and will stay there for a few more all alone and confused.

 

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Not that quickly. Most of the protestors seem young, so if they get it, they'll likely be asymptomatic. They would then need to spread it to others who are more susceptible, but that takes time.

That said, it's almost irrelevant now. Trump and conservatives started on this path over a month ago, so it's hilarious to see some complaining now.
Left wingers have gone nuts and killed Lock downs and some how you pin this on Trump?

Conservatives and Trump wanted safe re openings based on science and data. Sure some were asshats about masks which I 100% support but the science isn't 100% there. But they were asshats. But Trump himself always supports indoor mask or where you can't SD, 6 m apart, SD, all of that.

Now all of a sudden the press that was grilling him on churches or making every American feel safe to go back to work have nothing to say with a church packed full of people screaming and yelling (superspreader event waiting to happen with many not young people) and 24/7 riots and protests where people are dancing around and making tik tok viral videos now.
 
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Left wingers have gone nuts and killed Lock downs and some how you pin this on Trump?

Conservatives and Trump wanted safe re openings based on science and data. Sure some were asshats about masks which I 100% support but the science isn't 100% there. But they were asshats. But Trump himself always supports indoor mask or where you can't SD, 6 m apart, SD, all of that.

Now all of a sudden the press that was grilling him on churches or making every American feel safe to go back to work have nothing to say with a church packed full of people screaming and yelling (superspreader event waiting to happen with many not young people) and 24/7 riots and protests where people are dancing around and making tik tok viral videos now.
Exactly. All these protests 100 percent not following any distancing etc dont matter . At all. Virus skips them . Oh blm protest well shit i wont spread here i guess. Oh whats that you want anti lockdwon protest bitch i come and fuck you up.

Just come and dare to shut us down in a month or 2 i sure as shit will say fuck you and here is why.

All these liberal retards are out there cuz they dont have a job and orange man gave them a full paycheck for months for free i guess it qualifies to burn the city down.

Cuz you know they dont have to worry about losing their jobs or sit home with their kids when shit breaks out again cuz they know orange man will just support their ass again.

Looooosers
 
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Makes no sense though. If Sweden has a similar population infection rate as its neighbors but. higher death rates what did having lockdown do for everyone else?

Either Sweden does have a greater exposure rate or they are selectively dying at a higher rate (immigrant population?). Or the surrounding countries are underreporting.
Sweden has had a disproportionate number of deaths in long term care homes. The virus appears to be particularly virulent amongst people living in close quarters, and the only countries that have avoided this are the ones that locked down (NZ, Australia, Scandinavia sans Sweden and Iceland).

Also, this thread is becoming increasingly toxic and difficult to post in due to its over reliance on social media posts and blogs. Not everyone that supports the lockdowns is hand waving away these protests. The twitter feeds of doctors with fancy sounds job titles don’t represent public health guidance: they’re the personal political opinions of these individuals.

Again: we don’t know how this virus will spread due to these protests. We will find out in two weeks. It very well may put us back weeks. But even if it doesn’t, we know for a fact that this virus very easily spreads indoors, and the virus being less virulent outdoors doesn’t mean we can go back to congregating in indoor environments.
 
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Why are the doom mongers still citing Sweden lol?


This is from the guy who engineered the lockdown. Sorry doom mongers, the debate is OVER. We destroyed our economies and forced everyone inside their house for nothing. Good thing the government and media has a new shiny to focus on, eh?
 
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Why are the doom mongers still citing Sweden lol?


This is from the guy who engineered the lockdown. Sorry doom mongers, the debate is OVER. We destroyed our economies and forced everyone inside their house for nothing.
The key is to lock down in a timely manner. This thread is overrun by Jonny come lateys who weren’t here in Jan/Feb/March but those of us who were remember that the UKs plan was exactly the same as Sweden early on in the pandemic. It was only when the virus started ravaging nursing homes and job sites did they change course and go for a lockdown. Countries that locked down early are now coming out of their lockdowns and have barely lost any lives.
 

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The key is to lock down in a timely manner. This thread is overrun by Jonny come lateys who weren’t here in Jan/Feb/March but those of us who were remember that the UKs plan was exactly the same as Sweden early on in the pandemic. It was only when the virus started ravaging nursing homes and job sites did they change course and go for a lockdown. Countries that locked down early are now coming out of their lockdowns and have barely lost any lives.
there is no reason to lockdown for this, ever.
 

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there is no reason to lockdown for this, ever.
If saving lives is important, yes it is.
If you want to avoid a protracted lockdown with no end in sight, yes it is.
The more half assed you response is, the more likely you are to have a lot of people die and the more likely you are to delay your return to normalcy. A country can’t continue on with business as normal no matter how hard you try to ignore the virus overloading your health care system

Swedens economy will contract 7 percent this year BTW. In line with all of its European neighbours. That Daily Mail article you posted used economic growth numbers from preCOVID.
 
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If saving lives is important, yes it is.
If you want to avoid a protracted lockdown with no end in sight, yes it is.
The more half assed you response is, the more likely you are to have a lot of people die and the more likely you are to delay your return to normalcy. A country can’t continue on with business as normal no matter how hard you try to ignore the virus overloading your health care system

Swedens economy will contract 7 percent this year BTW. In line with all of its European neighbours. That Daily Mail article you posted used economic growth numbers from preCOVID.
No. No no no no. look at the population who died. It wasn’t healthy 25 year olds. There’s no reason to lock up healthy people who do not interact with the elderly and infirm. We have never done this before and there is no reason to do it. There are like three things all of our countries could have done that would have lowered the number of deaths by 20-30% without a hoax lockdown. For next time, we should do all things, but be able to live our lives fully.

Look, the doom mongers are telling me that, despite not having a lockdown, Sweden will have a similar death rate and possibly a similar economic contraction as countries that didn’t do a lockdown. So, what’s the point of the fucking lockdown, if the end result is the same as not doing one? At least without a lockdown you don’t submit people to the slow roll psychological torture of isolation and distancing they have been subjected to.
 

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If saving lives is important, yes it is.
If you want to avoid a protracted lockdown with no end in sight, yes it is.
The more half assed you response is, the more likely you are to have a lot of people die and the more likely you are to delay your return to normalcy. A country can’t continue on with business as normal no matter how hard you try to ignore the virus overloading your health care system
We'll find out in a couple of weeks.
 

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No. No no no no. look at the population who died. It wasn’t healthy 25 year olds. There’s no reason to lock up healthy people who do not interact with the elderly and infirm. We have never done this before and there is no reason to do it. There are like three things all of our countries could have done that would have lowered the number of deaths by 20-30% without a hoax lockdown. For next time, we should do all things, but be able to live our lives fully.

Look, the doom mongers are telling me that, despite not having a lockdown, Sweden will have a similar death rate and possibly a similar economic contraction as countries that didn’t do a lockdown. So, what’s the point of the fucking lockdown, if the end result is the same as not doing one? At least without a lockdown you don’t submit people to the slow roll psychological torture of isolation and distancing they have been subjected to.
No. No no no no. look at the population who died. It wasn’t healthy 25 year olds. There’s no reason to lock up healthy people who do not interact with the elderly and infirm. We have never done this before and there is no reason to do it. There are like three things all of our countries could have done that would have lowered the number of deaths by 20-30% without a hoax lockdown. For next time, we should do all things, but be able to live our lives fully.

Look, the doom mongers are telling me that, despite not having a lockdown, Sweden will have a similar death rate and possibly a similar economic contraction as countries that didn’t do a lockdown. So, what’s the point of the fucking lockdown, if the end result is the same as not doing one? At least without a lockdown you don’t submit people to the slow roll psychological torture of isolation and distancing they have been subjected to.
But their deaths aren’t equal.

Sweden has the 5th highest death rate in the world right now, and rates much higher than its Scandinavian neighbours. And unlike those other countries it was hit much later and does not appear to be slowing down yet. I would not be surprised if it has the highest death rate in the developed world when all is said and done.

So basically they will have more people die and suffer an equal or worse economic hit.
 
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Another consequence of the lockdown:

I'm noticing more and more kids/students just hanging outside doing nothing. And this is one month before summer break was suppose to start.

Honestly, it's not good, especially as they start to invade other public spaces and makes it harder for the rest of us normal folks who want to go about their day as quick as possible.

When school was still open, it at least gave a place for these people to congregate and stay in one spot. But now they have no such place anymore and they're not going to stay inside their house forever.

And to make matters worse, here in Canada, students can technically apply for a monthly allowance, so they're not going to look for jobs either.
 
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Like many have said, in two weeks, we better see a whole bunch of people with covid or we'll know this has all been a sham.

I know it's wrong, but there's a part of me that wants to see a spike in cases. Not because I want to see people sick or possibly die. No, I'd never want that, but I also need to know that we destroyed our country for SOMETHING. That we aren't being lied to because Orange man bad or Socialism good or some other nefarious reason.

To see our leaders, who a couple of weeks ago, said you would be arrested for swimming, going to the park, opening a gym, going to church now participating with groups of people WITH NO MASK, encouraging these riots is beyond infuriating. We're STILL fucking inside and now our businesses are destroyed and we have to be grateful that rioters showed us all how racist we are while setting back our recovery.

Really guys, what happens if there isn't a spike? Are they going to come up with some cockamamie explanation? What do we do? They destroyed our economy!! So yeah, please be a spike or my faith in humanity and reality is going to crater.
 

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But their deaths aren’t equal.

Sweden has the 5th highest death rate in the world right now, and rates much higher than its Scandinavian neighbours. And unlike those other countries it was hit much later and does not appear to be slowing down yet. I would not be surprised if it has the highest death rate in the developed world when all is said and done.

So basically they will have more people die and suffer an equal or worse economic hit.
Yes, there are things Sweden could have done better, but there are things we all could have done better. I’ve seen no evidence a lockdown is the solution to this. The lockdown has become a religion to some people, I swear. People refuse to consider a better way to do this, even though the lockdown was done in the spur of the moment, in a rush, based on shitty models that were proven to be garbage a week later. The lockdown does not stop the virus and it does not protect the people most vulnerable, especially if you do things like send sick COVID patients into nursing homes. Just not doing that would have eliminated a quarter of COVID deaths if not more (granted most of those people would be dead of something else within six months, but alas).

Lockdown is a fraud perpetrated upon the global population. It was not necessary and is not necessary. As the inevitable problems that came from it - mass unemployment, mental health issues, substance abuse, etc. - come to light, it will continue to look even more ridiculous. The way the media and government leaders dropped it the instant one guy died in police custody proves, without a doubt, what a fraud it was. There is no need to force healthy people into their homes for months at a time, costing them their livelihood and the ability to feed themselves and their families. This is insanity and should never happen again.
 
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So 22K cases in the US an 1K dead. Remember debating those numbers, mocking Trump, HAHA Disinfenctant. Fauci/Birx. The good old days.

USA opened for a few weeks now, had open america protests, had Memorial day weekend, had Ozarks party, now over a week of protests rioting and looting so where is the spike? FL/CALI/TX are going up a bit but the rest is pretty flat.

The only one I would be worried about is the Floyd service today. Lots of oldies in there cheering and hollering. If one of them is infected oh boy that could be a super spreader event right there.

Maybe lock downs work maybe they don't. But the media that brainwashed people into submission on them sure as hell flipped a switch and decided to remove all Stay Home Stay Safe propaganda and change the message over night. So if lock downs are needed or not can be debated, but the governments belief in them was most likely a fraud.
 

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I'd advise everyone to stop reading social media posts. That's my only advice. If you wanna inform yourself about CV then read the scientific papers and critically think for yourself rather than relying on some poster online (this includes me). Don't read a social media post, because those are either covered in lies, half truths or poor understanding, and especially don't read one from a trusted 'source' cause then you will be fueling your own subconscious bias. The ones with half truths or poor understanding are even deadlier in forming perception.

The ones you should should definitely avoid are the conspiracy theory ones or any posts with political leaning to one side or the other.
 
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So 22K cases in the US an 1K dead. Remember debating those numbers, mocking Trump, HAHA Disinfenctant. Fauci/Birx. The good old days.

USA opened for a few weeks now, had open america protests, had Memorial day weekend, had Ozarks party, now over a week of protests rioting and looting so where is the spike? FL/CALI/TX are going up a bit but the rest is pretty flat.

The only one I would be worried about is the Floyd service today. Lots of oldies in there cheering and hollering. If one of them is infected oh boy that could be a super spreader event right there.

Maybe lock downs work maybe they don't. But the media that brainwashed people into submission on them sure as hell flipped a switch and decided to remove all Stay Home Stay Safe propaganda and change the message over night. So if lock downs are needed or not can be debated, but the governments belief in them was most likely a fraud.
To play devils advocate here, what exactly do you expect the media to do? It isn't as if they've suddenly changed their tune and are now encouraging people to gather around. If anything when talking about covid it is the same spiel as before. All these riots and protests and looting have become their own self sustaining beasts. They could harp on everyone but what's the point, it's futile.
 

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To play devils advocate here, what exactly do you expect the media to do? It isn't as if they've suddenly changed their tune and are now encouraging people to gather around. If anything when talking about covid it is the same spiel as before. All these riots and protests and looting have become their own self sustaining beasts. They could harp on everyone but what's the point, it's futile.
I want them to treat the protests exactly how they treated Trump every time they asked him how can American's go back to work without testing for everyone, wheres the PPE, wheres the ventilators, wheres the testing.

Chirs Cuomo was on air on CNN chastising people in NYC for going to a park and telling them to go back home, he can do the same to the protesters.

Jim Acosta and that other CNN lady gave Trump such a hard time about people safely going back to work to ask BLM how they can gurantee the safety and testing of every single protester.

I want every black reporter how would always lead with "the black community is disproportionately effected by CV what ARE YOU going to do to protect them". They should pose the same question to BLM and other black leaders. Whats there plan to stop CV since if your black you have a better chance of dying.

Go watch those old PCs and she how much the media whined about how unsafe everything is and 0% risk was needed for American's to do anything. I mean they went nuts when he didn't wear a face mask at a FORD plant. Or how they made it seem like opening Churches was the worst thing ever and now they just held a giant funeral in a Church.

They should also maybe ask why every other American is not allowed to have a Funeral for their loved ones, but George Floyd was, for politicians, race baiters and celeberties, people that didn't even know the man. Thats cold.
 

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Why brother what do you know
Conspiracy theorists rely on the need of individuals to feel special, they go against the norm by using either nit picked scientific points which ignore the entire context or they straight up tell half truths, meaning they make conclusions without proper reasoning. They then pass this off as a theory, most won't even attempt to verify said theory through experimentation and any that do can't have their results duplicated.

As for the conspiracy theories dealing with China creating Corona, that's only fueled by the fact that China in all it's 'glory' is shady as fuck.
 
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Well we will see in a few weeks if COVID was as bad as they said so. If all of a sudden all these people start dying. But HK was having protest as well and they never had giant spikes or anything.

If nothing happens that will be great because it means all this lock down BS was just that BS.

I wonder if they announced someone tested positive if the protesters would all scary like cockroaches and go back into hiding and karening people for going to church or opening their hair salons.
Well, peopel in HK nearly 100% wear mask and social distance... in usa, not so much/
Man, you need to stop with this shit.

The only way to stop this virus is to prevent it from getting to people. Not by a vaccine in a year or two, not by herd immunity, not by Donald Trumps elixir of the week.

Two weeks. Two weeks was the difference between Australia's COVID outbreak and Canada's outbreak. Australia locked down two weeks before Canada. Until that time, their outbreaks were identical. Australia sealed off the borders and went into a lockdown early. Since then, Australia has basically 0 community transmission and has been opening up gradually for over a month, with a plan to be completely out of lockdown by July. Canada dithered for two weeks and now has ongoing community transmission, with most of the country still under lockdown, and no time table to when they will re open..

Canada locked down before St Patricks day. The USA didnt. BC locked down before March break, Quebec didnt (March break is earlier in Quebec and Ontario). Canadas outbreak is about half as deadly as the USAs, and BCs outbreak is about 1/10th as deadly as Quebecs. Getting people to stay home works. Keep in mind that in Canada, virtually no one is getting any treatment for COVID19, whereas in the USA people are getting the entire kitchen sink thrown at them.

The protests are worrisome. Things might get bad. We dont really know how this virus behaves in a large outdoor crowd, but we will find out in 10 days. If we get through these next few weeks without a large spike, it means the virus likely isn't very contagious in an outdoor environement. We can probably use that information to open up parks and beaches. But it'll have no implications at all for indoor gatherings, where we know the virus is highly contagious.
If anything, usa lockdown is not strict enough, if we can just isolate everyone for 1 month, there would be more virus in usa. We are also not allow to do real contract tracing
 

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Yeah theorizing is no match for cold hard Science
From what I'm reading, the lancet retracted the study that concluded "We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine". Because they used data, from a shady Surgisphere, that couldn't be verified by an independent 3rd party. This shows good quality assurance in Science. The actual scientific paper itself is very thorough, but because of faulty data it can't be reliably used for anything. The article did say that they should hold clinical trials to see if said drugs could work though, so they aren't outright saying it's bad, just that it should be tested before anything else, but yeah, shitty data.

If I took long to respond is cause I was reading up on Surgisphere and the actual scientific article which can be found here.

It's shady institutions like these that just exacerbate our current predicament, pisses me off really.
 
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Yes, there are things Sweden could have done better, but there are things we all could have done better. I’ve seen no evidence a lockdown is the solution to this. The lockdown has become a religion to some people, I swear. People refuse to consider a better way to do this, even though the lockdown was done in the spur of the moment, in a rush, based on shitty models that were proven to be garbage a week later. The lockdown does not stop the virus and it does not protect the people most vulnerable, especially if you do things like send sick COVID patients into nursing homes. Just not doing that would have eliminated a quarter of COVID deaths if not more (granted most of those people would be dead of something else within six months, but alas).

Lockdown is a fraud perpetrated upon the global population. It was not necessary and is not necessary. As the inevitable problems that came from it - mass unemployment, mental health issues, substance abuse, etc. - come to light, it will continue to look even more ridiculous. The way the media and government leaders dropped it the instant one guy died in police custody proves, without a doubt, what a fraud it was. There is no need to force healthy people into their homes for months at a time, costing them their livelihood and the ability to feed themselves and their families. This is insanity and should never happen again.
Again, I’ll bring up the examples of New Zealand, Australia, Denmark, Finland: countries that locked down early with no hesitation. These countries have virtually no community spread now. Countries that had half assed lockdowns are still worrying about when to open up, but are at least seeing a decline in their numbers (USA, UK, Canada, Iceland). Countries that didn’t lock down (Sweden, Brazil) are not yet seeing a decline in numbers. Not sure what other proof you need. If your country had locked down the way Australia did you would likely be heading toward a full reopening in July (but with closed borders). Instead you’re looking at a never ending limbo and all the angst that comes with it.

The lockdown works. There is no question about it. Anyone that denies this is ignorant.

Sending sick people into nursing homes has nothing to do with the lockdown. Stop conflating your politics with good public health policy.
 
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Again, I’ll bring up the examples of New Zealand, Australia, Denmark, Finland: countries that locked down early with no hesitation. These countries have virtually no community spread now. Countries that had half assed lockdowns are still worrying about when to open up, but are at least seeing a decline in their numbers (USA, UK, Canada, Iceland). Countries that didn’t lock down (Sweden, Brazil) are not yet seeing a decline in numbers. Not sure what other proof you need. If your country had locked down the way Australia did you would likely be heading toward a full reopening in July (but with closed borders). Instead you’re looking at a never ending limbo and all the angst that comes with it.

The lockdown works. There is no question about it. Anyone that denies this is ignorant.

Sending sick people into nursing homes has nothing to do with the lockdown. Stop conflating your politics with good public health policy.
There is no doubt lockdown work, the problem is the cost of it