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[hariseldon]

Yea American politics has been a joke for awhile now. Definitely not my most informative subject but something Definitely happened after Clinton.

I'm sure there's alot of current day political scholars that could explain it but the thing thst jumps out to me is the internet.

It gave more of a voice to the politicians and the people, and as we all know from gaming , giving the populace the technology doesn't necessarily mean they're going to use it for good lol.

The internet accelerated the issue among the public but I think it was already there among politicians. The internet gives them a place to grandstand though certainly and completely destroyed the minds of the media - hanging out on Twitter drove them insane and now we have no worthwhile press oversight of politicians.

 

[prag16]

How are asymptomatic people spreading it? Didn't the CDC drastically revise the data for how long it stays on various surfaces, basically saying, it doesn't? And if I'm asymptomatic, this would mean no cough droplets right?

CDC Advice On Surface Spread Of COVID-19 'Has Not Changed,' Agency Says

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says a headline change on its website seemed to trigger news reports saying its guidelines have changed.

www.npr.org

So which is it? And how do asymptomatic people spread it?

Bingo. If the asymptomatic people aren't coughing and sneezing (or shouting or singing loudly within a few feet of somebody else), how are they spreading it?

If they say it spreads through breathing, then guess what, those masks aren't doing jack shit. The mask doesn't form a seal; air is escaping all around it. And breathing is tossing airborne water droplets across a room in any case.

I'm not denying that masks have SOME impact in all likelihood, but on the whole my money is on them having such a limited impact that mandating them is very extreme. It is also my contention that these "asymtomatic spread proof" studies are highly suspect, at least the ones I've seen, because they all rely on people accurately reporting whether they were symptomatic or not. If even a portion of people involved lie about this (doesn't have to be all of them or even a majority whatsoever) it will massively skew the results.

I remember reading about a "super spreader" at a CT house party in early March which led to over a dozen cases. If this super spreader was popping cough drops and had taken Tylenol, then didn't want to admit symptoms were being suppressed, well, that's already game over.

 

[funcojoe]

well if we take into account let's say my 15 year old step son. Hes got adhd and is just honest to god the most ridiculously dumb person I've ever met. Sorry but he is lol.

I could see him being asymptomatic and going to a friends house and easily getting everyone in thst household infected. Mind you though hes screaming, wrestling, laughing, singing , spit droplets everywhere.

Obviously that's an extreme case, but it makes me wonder about school in the fall.

 

[hariseldon]

Bingo. If the asymptomatic people aren't coughing and sneezing (or shouting or singing loudly within a few feet of somebody else), how are they spreading it?

If they say it spreads through breathing, then guess what, those masks aren't doing jack shit. The mask doesn't form a seal; air is escaping all around it. And breathing is tossing airborne water droplets across a room in any case.

I'm not denying that masks have SOME impact in all likelihood, but on the whole my money is on them having such a limited impact that mandating them is very extreme. It is also my contention that these "asymtomatic spread proof" studies are highly suspect, at least the ones I've seen, because they all rely on people accurately reporting whether they were symptomatic or not. If even a portion of people involved lie about this (doesn't have to be all of them or even a majority whatsoever) it will massively skew the results.

I remember reading about a "super spreader" at a CT house party in early March which led to over a dozen cases. If this super spreader was popping cough drops and had taken Tylenol, then didn't want to admit symptoms were being suppressed, well, that's already game over.

I think the studies I saw a while back indicated that heavy cloth masks would give about 60-80% protection, which isn't bad. Don't forget, droplets are quite big, and for the most part a mask's escape areas are up to your eyes though the top of the mask and down through the bottom to your chest. The sides tend to be tighter because of how they're tied. For the most part, what comes out of your mouth is going to go straight out - sure some may go out the other ways but not much.

Now as to whether it's worth it.. to keep the R rate low you can either get everyone to stay home and close all businesses, or you can get people to wear masks. I'd say the latter is a far lesser infringement on civil liberties (especially if you can fuck with facial recognition) and far better for saving people's lives by not condemning them to poverty.

The thing about politics is that there's never a perfect choice available, and too many people today act as if there is. It's always a choice between shit and shit, just with different quantities of shit landing on different groups of people. Often you don't even have enough information to decide but a decision must be made. I don't envy politicians.

 

[Nymphae]

I could see him being asymptomatic and going to a friends house and easily getting everyone in thst household infected. Mind you though hes screaming, wrestling, laughing, singing , spit droplets everywhere.

Just seems like if this is what's required for an asymptomatic person to spread it, we probably would have been ok with just enforcing reasonable social distancing rules and keeping things open, not continuing lockdowns and encouraging full scale mask use. Keep the symptomatic safe and quarantined, the rest just wash up and don't act like a rambunctious child around others lol. If school is an unavoidable petrie dish have those kids do extra washup and maybe masks, but where we're at with this discourse on masks and lockdowns is crazy I think.

 

[Stitch]

 

[Siri]

I’m experiencing the same ‘family issues’ as some of you guys. When my sister visits my mom she stands right in front of her face talking loudly at her. She and her husband (who’s still working in an office) even came into the house last week and just stood there for half an hour, babbling at my mom about nothing.

I’ve told my mom, over and over, that because of her age it’s highly likely she’ll die if she gets Covid19. She doesn’t seem able to grasp this. My sister, meanwhile, keeps saying she knows someone who had Covid19, and that this person apparently said ‘it was nothing’. Do these people not read the news? - except I know that they do.

All of this, for me, is just further evidence that people see what they want to see. People are capable of performing mind blowing mental gymnastics.

 

[Stouffers]

We’ve let the grandparents come over but they have to stay outside and a few yards from the kids. They usually bring their folding chairs and watch the kids play in the yard.

 

[prag16]

I’ve told my mom, over and over, that because of her age it’s highly likely she’ll die if she gets Covid19.

I mean, what do you consider "highly likely"? Even in the worst hit countries even the 80+ group was under 30% death rate, and in most countries it was FAR lower, I've seen as low as a few percentage points. Claiming contracting it is a death sentence isn't really helpful or accurate. And if she's younger like in her 60s or less, even moreso.

 

[Nester99]

I’m experiencing the same ‘family issues’ as some of you guys. When my sister visits my mom she stands right in front of her face talking loudly at her. She and her husband (who’s still working in an office) even came into the house last week and just stood there for half an hour, babbling at my mom about nothing.

I’ve told my mom, over and over, that because of her age it’s highly likely she’ll die if she gets Covid19. She doesn’t seem able to grasp this. My sister, meanwhile, keeps saying she knows someone who had Covid19, and that this person apparently said ‘it was nothing’. Do these people not read the news? - except I know that they do.

All of this, for me, is just further evidence that people see what they want to see. People are capable of performing mind blowing mental gymnastics.

You live in BC right?
If so take a deep breath and look at some of the numbers. Bc is one of the safest places in the world right now with low cases and very low deaths. Car accidents are trending to kill more people here at an annual 250-300 per year.

I am in a major hospital right now I’m BC with a new born. They have not had a Covid patient for weeks.

Your care home experience is clearly raising your anxiety as it would for anyone. Stay calm you and your family will get through this.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[sinnergy]

I mean, what do you consider "highly likely"? Even in the worst hit countries even the 80+ group was under 30% death rate, and in most countries it was FAR lower, I've seen as low as a few percentage points. Claiming contracting it is a death sentence isn't really helpful or accurate. And if she's younger like in her 60s or less, even moreso.

I know someone who was 50 in good health and barely escaped Corona death in the hospital, so it’s not that easily explained in numbers .
I know two people personally who both got it, in their 30s, 1 had it mild but had a bad flu for a week , the other was in bed for 3 and a half weeks and now 8 or so weeks in total she still hasn’t her energy back to do her work proper ..

And those are in their 30s, one had a little overweight, but the one that got it the worst had no overweight and no other chronic conditions.

just saying the numbers or statistics don’t tell the whole story either.

seems this virus is unpredictable. So being cautious is fine , better save than sorrow.

 

[Loki]

I’d say all bets are off on coronavirus after the terrorist attacks in Minneapolis, Louisville, Columbus, and New York last night.

Not much social distancing going on there.

What terror attacks?

 

[Loki]

I know someone who was 50 in good health and barely escaped Corona death in the hospital, so it’s not that easily explained in numbers .
I know two people personally who both got it, in their 30s, 1 had it mild but had a bad flu for a week , the other was in bed for 3 and a half weeks and now 8 or so weeks in total she still hasn’t her energy back to do her work proper ..

And those are in their 30s, one had a little overweight, but the one that got it the worst had no overweight and no other chronic conditions.

just saying the numbers or statistics don’t tell the whole story either.

seems this virus is unpredictable. So being cautious is fine , better save than sorrow.

That is the only thing that really scares me about this virus - its unpredictability. I'm 41 and in good (not great) shape, and have asthma which hasn't been active since I was around 8-10 years old (but I still obviously have it, genetically). I worry about what would happen if I caught this even though I'm fairly young with a strong immune system (which for this virus may be a negative rather than a positive).

A guy I work with is 35 with no underlying conditions, and is a PICTURE of health. Dude could be a fitness model. Works out, super cardio fitness, eats healthy etc. He got CV and said it was the worst thing he ever experienced in his life by far. Was just completely demolished by it, though he recovered. I'm nowhere near his level of fitness, am a bit older, have about 45 extra pounds on me (I have a huge muscular frame, so it's not that noticeable), and have/had asthma. So it's scary for me.

 

[hariseldon]

What terror attacks?

#BlackLivesMatter

 

[ManaByte]

 

[ManaByte]

A positive COVID-19 case from out of the area visited the Lake of the Ozarks pool bars on Memorial Day Weekend

The announcement came Friday afternoon.

www.ky3.com

 

[cryptoadam]

A positive COVID-19 case from out of the area visited the Lake of the Ozarks pool bars on Memorial Day Weekend

The announcement came Friday afternoon.

www.ky3.com

Well lets see what this virus can do. Either there is a huge outbreak or its a nothing burger so will be fun to find out over the next few days.

Now lets see if we get any stories about anyone testing positive that have been at these "protests" the last 4 days.

 

[lukilladog]

This woman almost killed me, and the guy at the door too:

 

[Deleted member 17706]

This woman almost killed me, and the guy at the door too:

Hi, Karen!

I was out at the park with my kids today and people in my part of Washington state appear to be totally done with this social distancing stuff. No masks, packed, people just having fun like normal. Felt almost surreal after so many months mostly indoors.

 

[HarryKS]

We're required to wear pants in public.
People wanted to go to war because Janet Jackson didn't wear a nipple covering.
Many stores have a "no shirt, no shoes, no service" sign.

Why weren't these idiots standing up and complaining before?

She had covering.

 

[Dunedain_Ranger]

Man I keep wishing I’d wake up tomorrow and this virus would just be gone. Hope everyone has been safe

 

[solidsheelop]

i found this pretty interesting. aside from the idiotic questions from reporters, it gives some insight into what congress is trying to do with the information they have. odd how Nancy Pelosi doesn't want us to look into China or the source of all this because "it's irrelevant".

he got pissed at that last reporter/questioning and he is exactly right.

 

[12Goblins]

News

St. Louis, Missouri breaking and local news updates from KMOV News 4

www.kmov.com

edit: beaten

 

[rykomatsu]

Looks like rioters cancelled the apocalypse.

 

[cryptoadam]

And just like that social distancing and lock downs are over. Will we get the same articles and condemnation that memorial day people got?

 

[prag16]

And just like that social distancing and lock downs are over. Will we get the same articles and condemnation that memorial day people got?

 

[Fox Mulder]

Looks like rioters cancelled the apocalypse.

I'm gonna go loot a gym so I can get a real workout in again.

 

[The Scrivener]

And just like that social distancing and lock downs are over. Will we get the same articles and condemnation that memorial day people got?

Wear a mask or go to jail.

Be a thug and get praised.

 

[cryptoadam]

Wear a mask or go to jail.

Be a thug and get praised.

A black guy had his barber shop closed.

Burning down a black owned barber shop is A OK.

Getting a hair cut in one Jail time.

Oh and since some of these rioters are wearing masks then its OK, but going back to work and wearing a mask murderer

 

[cryptoadam]

So these riots really did kill Corona. this thread is dead. It might even wind up on the second page at the rate things are going.

 

[Tesseract]

 

[cryptoadam]

Moderna: First patients dosed with COVID-19 vaccine in Phase 2 study

The company’s chief scientist is Israeli-born Tal Zaks, who earlier this month told N12 that he is “not surprised that the vaccine works.”

www.jpost.com

Well good for anyone with Moderna stocks this little bit of news should jump their stock up. But 12 months for the trial to finish, and thats not even phase 3.

 

[Celcius]

With all of the riots going on, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there’s a second wave of outbreaks on the way

 

[Siri]

Moderna: First patients dosed with COVID-19 vaccine in Phase 2 study

The company’s chief scientist is Israeli-born Tal Zaks, who earlier this month told N12 that he is “not surprised that the vaccine works.”

www.jpost.com

The good news: the vaccine works. The bad news: after six months you grow a second head, and it’s Donald Trump, and now you have to live with him riding around on your shoulder for the rest of your life.

 

[Collz69]

The good news: the vaccine works. The bad news: after six months you grow a second head, and it’s Donald Trump, and now you have to live with him riding around on your shoulder for the rest of your life.

Shouting “CHYNA” into your ear for eternity!

 

[MrCunningham]

I haven't worn a face mask once during this so called crisis. I don;t bother with Social distancing, because it really does nothing in the end. Staying inside is actually pointless as well. But things are slowly going back to normal where I am. Which is good. I cannot say that I feel threatened by a common form of influenza.

 

[JordanN]

With all of the riots going on, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there’s a second wave of outbreaks on the way

And then the media is going to blame Trump for this.

"Omg, why didn't he clearly stop those protesters from infecting each other?"
"Oh wait, he did. But then they called him a dictator for trying to help."

 

[Tesseract]

I haven't worn a face mask once during this so called crisis. I don;t bother with Social distancing, because it really does nothing in the end. Staying inside is actually pointless as well. But things are slowly going back to normal where I am. Which is good. I cannot say that I feel threatened by a common form of influenza.

gangster shit

 

[cryptoadam]

Seems from the media looting and arson offer protection from Corona virus.

 

[JordanN]

So now Mexico and Saudi Arabia have more Covid-19 cases than China.

So much for the hot weather killing the virus.

 

[JordanN]

[Anti-police] Protest in Toronto today.

Where's the social distancing?

And the Communists are in full force too.

 

[Pizdetz]

COVID-19 has been a somewhat surreal experience. Basically the human experience has fundamentally changed for everyone, for some limited amount of time at least.
Was surprising to see so many Western European nations like France, Italy, Spain and UK handle it so poorly - the per capita deaths are substantially worse than the US. The US likely has a pretty robust medical system but the messaging was all over the place so people didn't take it seriously in time.

The worst problem right now is the messaging for sure. People are blaming Trump for being an idiot and trying to make masks political - but they only need to look at themselves. You have the facts from scientists at your disposal, stop bending over backwards for supporting a dysfunctional government and actually think about your fellow citizens instead of politics.

Lastly, based on what I'm reading on pneumonia reporting and total deaths, and states trying to hide Covid deaths, the reality is that we are definitely undercounting. Excess deaths is likely around 15%. For a single event/scenario to cause such a dramatic increase in deaths is pretty staggering. Can't even imagine what would have happened if shutdown measures and other precautions weren't put in place, or put in place much later.

 

[Tesseract]

under, not over?

 

[Rock And Roll]

[Anti-police] Protest in Toronto today.

Where's the social distancing?

And the Communists are in full force too.

What is it with this stupid city and hoping on things we have nothing to do with?

 

[ManaByte]

[Anti-police] Protest in Toronto today.

Where's the social distancing?

And the Communists are in full force too.

I guess we can have a baseball season now...right?

 

[Insane Metal]

So now Mexico and Saudi Arabia have more Covid-19 cases than China.

So much for the hot weather killing the virus.

How about Brazil with 500,000.

That's with <1M tests. YES. LESS THAN 1 MILLION TESTS.

 

[HarryKS]

Moderna: First patients dosed with COVID-19 vaccine in Phase 2 study

The company’s chief scientist is Israeli-born Tal Zaks, who earlier this month told N12 that he is “not surprised that the vaccine works.”

www.jpost.com

Well good for anyone with Moderna stocks this little bit of news should jump their stock up. But 12 months for the trial to finish, and thats not even phase 3.

Yeah, no, this is old. The article might have been posted today, but there's nothing new in it. Moderna have been acting like good old scam artists alongside Gilead and Innovio.

The real big pharma would never do what they did.

 

[HarryKS]

What is it with this stupid city and hoping on things we have nothing to do with?

They're protesting over the Regis case.

And this is bad, really, really, really bad because it's based on something even the family lawyer claims is not true.

Supposedly, mostly based on the young woman who fell from a balcony.

 

[Rock And Roll]

They're protesting over the Regis case.

And this is bad, really, really, really bad because it's based on something even the family lawyer claims is not true.

Supposedly, mostly based on the young woman who fell from a balcony.

Still feels like we're piggybacking off the American protests though. Protesting an unsubstantiated claim is absolutely pathetic, not surprised given how liberal stupidity has spiraled out of control in this city/country.