Insane Metal
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What the fuck is going on in the US?
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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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ManaByte
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So basically a different flu shot.
bRacing
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It's a good thing sunlight kills it. Oh wait.
cryptoadam
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Joe T.
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Coronavirus: How they tried to curb Spanish flu pandemic in 1918
Face masks, fresh air and porridge - how people tried to curb a deadly flu pandemic in 1918.www.bbc.com
Coronavirus Shutdowns: Economists Look for Better Answers (Published 2020)
Researchers are developing models for more targeted closings (and reopenings) that would curb the spread of infection at a less severe economic cost.
Anyone still threatening blanket lockdowns should step aside because they're showing you how little they've learned.
...like this guy trying to erase scientific findings with a moronic hot take.
Light Kills Coronavirus. Here’s How It Could Help Beat Covid-19
Scientists are studying how UV light in sunshine can be used to inactivate coronavirus.
www.forbes.com
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cryptoadam
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Yes lets use the Spanish Flu as an example, it killed what 50 million people and had multiple waves? And 50 million in today's population would be 200 Million? 300 Million?
I wouldn't exactly call what happend during the spanish flu a smashing successes. Now lets consider its nearly 100 years later and the advances in technology we have and we should be able to come up with a better plan then one that killed 50 million people.
I wouldn't exactly call what happend during the spanish flu a smashing successes. Now lets consider its nearly 100 years later and the advances in technology we have and we should be able to come up with a better plan then one that killed 50 million people.
jadedm17
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Desantis wont do anything, which sadly makes sense because his base dont even believe in masks and would riot.
Its sad. Send help.
cryptoadam
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Smiles and Cries
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I think the best we can hope for are the deaths to continue to stay below 50 per day in the States
www.worldometers.info
Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,949,997 Cases and 2,852,987 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info
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cryptoadam
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Batiman
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What’s happening to the red states now?
cryptoadam
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Stupid BLM rioters fucking everything up.
Joe T.
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DeepBreath87
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That’s not entirely fair I think. My belief is that because large sections of the population in the northeast were already exposed to the virus, it’s ability to spread has been dampened quite a bit.
Take New York. While they have a confirmed case number of around 427,000, they have a death toll of over 32,000.
We can be fairly sure the mortality rate for the virus is somewhere south of 1%, so let’s it’s 0.8%, which is likely a bit high. If the mortality rate is 0.8% and we have 32,000 deaths in New York, you’d be looking at 4,000,000 actual cases in the state. That’s around 20% of the population.
20% doesn’t provide herd immunity, but if 1/5 of people can’t get or spread the virus because they already had it, you slow the spread significantly.
These are very rough examples, but this is my theory for why some places are seeing large increases in cases while others are not.
cryptoadam
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I can see it that way as well. The virus already burnt through New York and other places.
Thats why lock downs aren't really doing much and declines/decreases is more to do with how much of the population is still vulnerable to infection and spreading it. The states getting hit now at least have the last 4 months of preparedness to take advantage of. Lots of PPE, vents, FEMA, drugs, and tests now as compared to before.
Nymphae
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I think the best we can hope for are the deaths to continue to stay below 50 per day in the States
Coronavirus Update (Live): 130,949,997 Cases and 2,852,987 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
Can you reduce the size of these images? It's really easy to do.
Smiles and Cries
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you are the first to raise a concern about that, I was too lazy my bad
12Goblins
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Two months after infection, COVID-19 symptoms persist
Almost 90 percent still have at least one symptom long after the virus has gone.
arstechnica.com
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Imagine losing your sense of taste and having the lungs of a smoker...Two months after infection, COVID-19 symptoms persist
Almost 90 percent still have at least one symptom long after the virus has gone.
MisterFalcon
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Bald took it down himself.
Thanks to everyone who watched my Covid story. I have now deleted the video because it's time to move on from what was a grim month of my life and not be reminded about it constantly. Time to get positive, focus on getting healthy and start planning the future. Also too many nutters in the comment section asking me how much the government/Bill Gates/Youtube paid me to create a fake story because the virus 'is fake'. It sure felt real to me. Hope you all and your family stay safe and well. Oh and don't worry about theBald
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Most only look at deaths and shrug it off, like I said since January, you don’t want this virus , obey the simple rules .
DragoonKain
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Have any results on the vaccine trials been released yet? Have any of them worked?
Creating vaccines normally take years ... so it’s a bit early for results . Maybe in a couple of months.
but some show promise.
Our Dutch modeler of the virus a, world renowned one, his model is used around the world for sars1, also thinks it can take longer than people now hope for, also refers to HIV and Tuberculosis as the don’t really have 100 % vaccines but are better treatable.
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diffusionx
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Holy shit that tweet is misleading. Antibody tests done in late April hinted at New York having up to 20% Infection rate. In New York City that would mean, by late April/early March, up to 2 million people already had COVID. Assuming it got here in late January like people think, that would mean there were many, many days when over 15,300 people got infected with COVID. Maybe most days.
What’s the difference between then and now - tests. Not who actually got it, but who got tested. The case count is a function of tests done, not how many people actually got COVID. This stuff is so fucking fake.
68% of people tested at a New York clinic had coronavirus antibodies, raising hopes that some communities will be able to resist a second wave
The report raised hopes that large parts of some communities may have some protection during any potential second wave of infections later this year.
www.businessinsider.com
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diffusionx
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Looks like Florida still has a problem with negative tests not being recorded, inflating the positive % and giving a false impression as to the spread of the virus.
This stuff is just a complete farce at this point.
ManaByte
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You'll accept a total lockdown and house arrest until November 4th and enjoy it!
iconmaster
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Updated with the latest data. Previous week's numbers did jump up a bit, but the overall trend is still "a fast tumble off a steep cliff."
www.cdc.gov
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
National Center for Health Statistics
www.cdc.gov
HellforLeather
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A few weeks without access to that grill cheese shop might do that one chick some good...
diffusionx
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Updated with the latest data. Previous week's numbers did jump up a bit, but the overall trend is still "a fast tumble off a steep cliff."
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
National Center for Health Statistics
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Bladed Thesis
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Exactly this. Chicago has seen similar results. Testing is way way up so of course "cases"' are way way up, we're finding people who were asymtomatic whereas before they went untested and then got over COVID and had the antibodies.Holy shit that tweet is misleading. Antibody tests done in late April hinted at New York having up to 20% Infection rate. In New York City that would mean, by late April/early March, up to 2 million people already had COVID. Assuming it got here in late January like people think, that would mean there were many, many days when over 15,300 people got infected with COVID. Maybe most days.
What’s the difference between then and now - tests. Not who actually got it, but who got tested. The case count is a function of tests done, not how many people actually got COVID. This stuff is so fucking fake.
68% of people tested at a New York clinic had coronavirus antibodies, raising hopes that some communities will be able to resist a second wave
The report raised hopes that large parts of some communities may have some protection during any potential second wave of infections later this year.
Ar¢tos
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Not exactly unusual... Epstein-Barr virus (mononucleosis) symptoms on adults can last for months after virus tests turn negative again. I had it in my 20s, it took 2 months before I could go back to work.Two months after infection, COVID-19 symptoms persist
Almost 90 percent still have at least one symptom long after the virus has gone.
llien
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There goes "herd immunity":
www.theguardian.com
Immunity to Covid-19 could be lost in months, UK study suggests
Exclusive: King’s College London team found steep drops in antibody levels three months after infection
www.theguardian.com
Joe T.
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"Look after yourself" is the better advice. Individual responsibility over collectivist demands makes a lot more sense for a virus that affects various segments of the population very differently.
Mask mandates and blanket lockdowns were/are overly simplistic responses to a complex issue, anyone issuing them is treating their residents like toddlers so it should be no surprise when they react accordingly. Give me a public health official confident enough to give us all the relevant facts - pros and cons both - along with his/her personal advice and then trusts us to use that information accordingly. Many in North America haven't gone that route, they couldn't even be bothered to be honest. Respect has to be earned and that speaks to both the relationship we have with our elected leaders/health officials and the one we have with each other.
To quote from a favorite cartoon/comic series of mine as a kid: "A moment of distrust can tear down what ten thousand years of peace has built."
iconmaster
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There goes "herd immunity":
Immunity to Covid-19 could be lost in months, UK study suggests
Exclusive: King’s College London team found steep drops in antibody levels three months after infection
Even if you don't retain full immunity from antibodies, you can still have better resistance to a virus if infected a second time thanks to T-cells.
Covid-19 Immunity May Rely on a Microscopic Helper: T Cells
Researchers have been looking beyond antibodies to understand how immunity to the new virus might work—and how to design a vaccine.
llien
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I'm not into biology, but to my knowledge the said cells is how immune system normally handles known diseases.Even if you don't retain full immunity from antibodies, you can still have better resistance to a virus if infected a second time thanks to T-cells.
Covid-19 Immunity May Rely on a Microscopic Helper: T Cells
Researchers have been looking beyond antibodies to understand how immunity to the new virus might work—and how to design a vaccine.www.wired.com
DeepEnigma
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iconmaster
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Right, these are all just typical immune responses. We don't know anything for sure yet; I'm just pointing out that herd immunity may not depend on antibodies alone.
McHuj
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What’s scary is their tests per million of population. (Mexico as well)
Birdo
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So going by that arstechnica article stats, 900,000 of those will still have symptoms.
It’s time to let this go. The blm riots are long over (3 weeks ago) and red states are exploding with Covid. This narrative that it’s the riots and not rampant irresponsibility by citizens and red government is just stupid.
Yikes this is dumb.
let me guess you find seatbelt rules, medical requirements for Children to attend schools, insurance requirements for cars and all kinds of other mutual safety laws to be treating citizens like toddlers?
The people acting irresponsibly are those in states without mask mandates.There is a reason Florida is the worse state. Governments literally exist to protect the people. And when the people are too stupid to do it for themselves they make laws like seatbelt laws and DWI laws.
this falls under those issues. Half our country thinks masks are political. Half our country thinks Covid is not a big deal until
They are personally affected. Those people need to be told to wear masks. Period.
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iconmaster
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The protests happened in red states too -- in the urban areas. They weren't as massive or newsworthy, but they still happened. "Thousands" in Des Moines, Iowa, for example.
But here's the thing: either the protestors AND those trying to get back to daily life are both irresponsible, or neither are. You can't split this hair. The attempts by medical experts to do so are making people like me say, "screw it."
Actually now that the experts have shown their cards, I'm done playing the game. They'll need to pass a law if they want me wearing a mask.
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Joe T.
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They do, by government officials and members of the press with communication skills that go well beyond what you've demonstrated here. Don't treat your audience like idiots if you want to be taken seriously.
DragoonKain
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Dude, it’s a virus, it spreads. I’m sure lax policies have contributed to it too, but it’s no coincidence this started surging a couple weeks after the protests, which are still going on btw. And if it spread to some people and then they go back home to another county and then spread it to people there. California is surging too, it’s not a red state and they still have lockdown policies in place.
bigsnack
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I'm not sure how others feel, but there is barely any talk about how folks can actually get themselves out of a risk group in the first place. Why is that? There have been some scattered articles here or there, but why don't folks focus equally on quitting smoking, eating anti-inflammatory foods, etc.? That seems like such a no-brainer to me, and I don't hear much about that. Is it because folks would rather just blame non-mask wearers instead of taking on responsibility themselves?
diffusionx
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This country has decided to destroy itself over a virus that presents worst case as the flu in all but .5% of cases and as literally nothing in one third of them. The mind reels.
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