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Coronavirus is forcing Florida-based cruise lines to face the consequences of their shady business practices

DeepEnigma

Gold Member


The new PortMiami Royal Caribbean Terminal

Prior to the approval of the multi-trillion-dollar economic stimulus package, there was much talk about how it would assist the cruise industry. Few sectors of the economy have been hit harder, or received more negative coronavirus-related press, than cruise lines.

The industry was hoping that after months of negative press, from the horrific weeks-long debacle of the Diamond Princess to cruise nightmare stories continuing to fill social media, some assistance via the stimulus package would bring relief. Few politicians seemed interested in helping out an industry that has made much of successes via tax loopholes and questionable practices.

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Hakeem Jeffries made this abundantly clear when he tweeted,


As the coronavirus was causing multiple deaths and hundreds of infections on cruise ships, cruise lines kept sailing while pulling out previous tools by dropping prices and encouraging future bookings.

In an email obtained by Miami New Times, a senior sales manager at Norwegian Cruise Lines was encouraging salespeople to downright lie, "to help you close your guests that are on the fence."

The email stated that these misleading statements are only to be used if a person is worried about coronavirus, noting, "DO NOT USE THESE unless the coronavirus is brought up."

The lies included things about coronavirus being unable to survive in warmer climates and that the health crisis will be resolved by spring. The talking points also included reassurances such as, "the only thing you need to worry about for your cruise is, do you have enough sunscreen?"



The new PortMiami Norwegian Cruise Line Terminal

Things don’t look much better at other cruise lines. Even while the largest lockdown in human history is taking place in response to the global pandemic, at least a dozen cruise ships with thousands of passengers remain at sea.

Holland America had to evacuate healthy passengers off of the Zaandam onto another ship waiting nearby after multiple deaths and more than 150 fell ill on the Zaandam. Now, the Zaandam is headed to Port Everglades. However, Florida officials have yet to give it clearance to dock here with officials in South Florida worried that allowing hundreds of new patients to disembark there would overwhelm their already strained medical system.

Holland America’s parent company, Carnival Corporation, which also owns Princess, remains insistent that cruise ships do not have an increased risk when it comes to coronavirus. This, despite the CDC warning that "cruise ships markedly increase the risk and impact of the COVID-19 disease outbreak within the United States."

In an Axios on HBO interview that aired March 22, Carnival Corporation CEO Arnold Donald compared the risks on a cruise ship to those of visiting a place like Central Park claiming that cruise ships have lots of natural social distancing due to their size. He also stated, "cruise ships are not a source for coronavirus. We have hundreds of cruise ships out there. Very few had cases on them."

Carnival is the largest cruise company in the world, accounting for 41 percent of the industry’s revenue. Together with Royal Caribbean and Norwegian, who account for 21 and 13 percent respectively, the three cruise companies, and their 15 cruise lines, make up 75 percent of the industry. Together they reported $34 billion in revenue in 2018.

All three have headquarters in South Florida, but none are actually American companies.

Carnival is incorporated in Panama, Norwegian in The Bahamas, and Royal Caribbean in the small West African nation of Liberia. The billions in revenue also don’t help Florida or the U.S., with the big three paying an estimated less than one percent in U.S. taxes. The tax loopholes don’t end there.



Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd’s new Miami HQ campus

Each uses an obscure century-old law to skirt U.S. safety and worker regulations. By having ships registered in countries like Malta, Panama, and the Bahamas, the cruise lines get away with reportedly paying some crew members wages of less than $2.27 per hour for jobs that require 11-hour shifts seven days per week. After fees, some crew members are only paid $50 per month, causing them to rely on the generosity of passengers' tips to survive. Now, these crew members face empty ships and the threat of a deadly global pandemic, as their CEO – who made $11 million last year – downplays the risks.

The long history of questionable practices seems to have finally caught up to the industry. The U.S. backed loan guarantees that the cruise lines were hoping for didn’t make the final version of the stimulus bill.

Despite politicians finally speaking up about cruise line practices, some industry leaders remain optimistic.

While practicing social isolation in his lush South Florida backyard, Royal Caribbean Chairman and CEO Richard Fain, filmed a message for travel advisors on his iPhone. Fain says he wanted to shoot the video to share “how we’re going to get through this terrible time together.” Going on, he admits, “We all know the circumstances regarding Covid-19. Beyond the endless statistics and the press conferences, this situation is truly serious, and we all need to act responsibly.”

No word on if acting responsibly will include paying employees living wages, paying taxes, and moving ship registrations to American soil but, if history is any indication, it likely doesn’t.


 
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VGEsoterica

Member
F them. They don't fly under the American flag so they can avoid paying American tax liabilities. That should preclude them from ANY assistance with US tax payers dollars. Let them go ask the countries they sail under for a bailout instead
 
Man, I can’t imagine being stuck on a cruise ship right now, especially if there’s a confirmed case somewhere on it.

I didn‘t even know how shady the business is. Wow
 

Sandyman

Neo Member
Lol the tourism industry is definitely more corrupt than the cartels, I swear. Cartels probably treat their employees better. If you work in tourism as a grunt, you are no longer human, but a slave.
 

Gargus

Banned
Shady?

Jesus christ. If you had any idea how many companies in America do everything they can to avoid paying taxes you'd be surprised. This is a common practice and they aren't doing anything more than any other company.

I bet you every single person who bitches and calls them scumbavs or shady or bashes them if given the chance legally to not have to pay their own taxes then they would. You're all hypocrites, you wouldn't pay taxes if you didn't have to. I sure as hell wouldn't if I had a way not to, I'm not gonna lie I want my money to be mine, all of it.
 

Sandyman

Neo Member
Shady?

Jesus christ. If you had any idea how many companies in America do everything they can to avoid paying taxes you'd be surprised. This is a common practice and they aren't doing anything more than any other company.

I bet you every single person who bitches and calls them scumbavs or shady or bashes them if given the chance legally to not have to pay their own taxes then they would. You're all hypocrites, you wouldn't pay taxes if you didn't have to. I sure as hell wouldn't if I had a way not to, I'm not gonna lie I want my money to be mine, all of it.
Tourism is still a hellhole to work for with little to no ethical backbone. Also just because someone is pointing out one industry doesn’t mean they are exonerating others
 
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Yeah, you can't avoid taxes and labor laws and then come and demand that the country you deliberately left with your business would bail you out.

Generally, I think bailouts this time should only be given with strict rules and in some industries(essential industries like infrastructure, healthcare, etc.), when private players go down and demand bailouts, those bailouts should come with public board representation.
 
I worked on a cruise ship and I can confirm the stewards are paid/treated like absolute trash. They hire them from third world countries and pay them next to nothing, then they cram 4-6 of them in a small room at the bottom of the ship to live in. We always made sure to leave them a generous tip every paycheck because they are basically slave labour in the eyes of the cruise line.

That being said, I hope the industry bounces back from this. Its a great source of revenue for a lot of people and getting to travel from Port to Port isn't the worst job in the world. I was looking to get back on ships this year before this situation broke out. Living expense free is a pretty sweet deal.
 
Despite politicians finally speaking up about cruise line practices, some industry leaders remain optimistic.

While practicing social isolation in his lush South Florida backyard, Royal Caribbean Chairman and CEO Richard Fain, filmed a message for travel advisors on his iPhone. Fain says he wanted to shoot the video to share “how we’re going to get through this terrible time together.” Going on, he admits, “We all know the circumstances regarding Covid-19. Beyond the endless statistics and the press conferences, this situation is truly serious, and we all need to act responsibly.”

No word on if acting responsibly will include paying employees living wages, paying taxes, and moving ship registrations to American soil but, if history is any indication, it likely doesn’t.



 

oagboghi2

Member
Shady?

Jesus christ. If you had any idea how many companies in America do everything they can to avoid paying taxes you'd be surprised. This is a common practice and they aren't doing anything more than any other company.

I bet you every single person who bitches and calls them scumbavs or shady or bashes them if given the chance legally to not have to pay their own taxes then they would. You're all hypocrites, you wouldn't pay taxes if you didn't have to. I sure as hell wouldn't if I had a way not to, I'm not gonna lie I want my money to be mine, all of it.
Umm no, I would not sail out to foreign waters to escape my tax bill. Yes I understand making moves to lower your tax obligation, I do it too, but this is just stupid.

you don’t pay taxes, you don’t get assistance. Sounds fair to me
 
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Kagey K

Member
I always thought a boat and an island would be the best in the event of a zombie apocalypse, but this cruise ship stuff has opened my eyes to how wrong that initial plan was.
 

haxan7

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Business itself is shady. This wreaks of a democratic politician using the epidemic to push a destructive socialist agenda.
 
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