wobedraggled
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I need to know by the technical people of GAF, if they think it could be done and supporting facts are a bouns.
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Could Doom3 be pulled of on the Gamecube?
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imastalker co.
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no idea how much the xbox hard drive is being used, but say if hypothetically the xbox port doesn't use the hard drive at all, then i don't see why the GameCube version wouldn't look just as good if it was a proper port.
tahrikmili
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nubbe said:
It also looks like shit on a Voodoo 5 5500.
Doom 3 could possibly be ported to even PS1 but it wouldn't be Doom 3 anymore.
The question I think is can the XBOX version be ported to GC without significant image quality compromise. The answer I think is yes. I also think the sales would be awful.
Kobun Heat
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Of course. It's just much easier and cheaper to make an Xbox port of a PC game, and the market for first-person shooters on the Xbox is a much more lucrative one thanks to Halo.
I dunno... in an older thread on normal mapping (around the time Riddick came out) the techie verdict seemed to be that both GC and DC were capable of normal mapping while PS2 wasn't (though it could likely achieve similar results using a different process). Anyone care to comment on that?Teddman said:
Doom 3 went to Xbox not because it's the strongest console out there but because there's a market for this kind of game (FPS) on the green console. The majority of Xboxers (that's a neutral term, right?) love shooters and they'll love Doom 3.
Really, I don't see any point in porting D3 to GameCube. Pay me $100 and I'd still couldn't find it. 95% of people interested in Doom 3 has already beaten it, the rest will get it next week on Xbox. That leaves 0% of market for the Cube version.
Really, I don't see any point in porting D3 to GameCube. Pay me $100 and I'd still couldn't find it. 95% of people interested in Doom 3 has already beaten it, the rest will get it next week on Xbox. That leaves 0% of market for the Cube version.
This would suggest only Xbox can of the current three consoles:jarrod said:
http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox/games/features/34068.shtml
Chiggs
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tahrikmili said:
You know, according to Carmack, the Xbox is the only console capable of handling the way the Doom III engine handles bump-mapping, lighting and shadows.
Also, the ram limitations on the GameCube would definitely come into play. I personally don't think it would be possible without a drastic reduction in image quality.
EDIT: Beaten.
bob_arctor
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Well, RE4 convinced me the Gamecube can do much more than I previously thought, so I vote yes.
jarrod said:
Heh. I remember old 486 demos written in assembler that had one bump-mapped texture usually in 320x240 with one or two dynamic light-sources flying around.
Come to think of it, I remember one Amiga demo that did it.
GameCube - no sweat
PS2 - maybe some small room with one character, I'd love to see a normal-mapped Snake model.
DreamCast - spinning normal-mapped cube with SEGA logos on sides
PSP - sure, possible, maybe we will even see it?
wobedraggled
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Teddman said:
Carmack also said that doom wouldn't run on the Amiga.
Doom and Quake both were ported and ran fine
The Abominable Snowman
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The Gamecube has the least useable ram of all 3 consoles. I also doubt it can handle the normal mapping and lighting being thrown at it. I seriously doubt it. From what I've seen of the Flipper's specs, it's a very impressive machine, but it does not even compare with a Geforce 3. The GF3 is much more capable, yet the flipper is much more capable than the GS in the PS2 (no brainer).
Also, when moving around in a room, you can hear the Xbox HD go crazy, like it's loading the next area. That, and the game is over 3GBs while a GC disc can hold less than 2 (1.8 IIRC, If i'm not mistaking it with UMD). The texture and model data folder itself is over 1.9GB.
Also, when moving around in a room, you can hear the Xbox HD go crazy, like it's loading the next area. That, and the game is over 3GBs while a GC disc can hold less than 2 (1.8 IIRC, If i'm not mistaking it with UMD). The texture and model data folder itself is over 1.9GB.
AtomicShroom
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Speevy said:
You don't seem to get how things work. Seeing as GameCube versions of games always sell far less on GameCube than other consoles (unless it features a Nintendo property), game companies allow a much, *much* lower budget to the GameCube version of games. So what happens? They take the PS2 version, give it to a couple of programmers in an isolated, dark, and barbwire-fenced corner of the office, and make them do a quick and dirty port of the PS2 version. That's how it goes.
Here's the old bump mapping thread. Seems to indicate Xbox, GC & DC all being fully capable of bump mapping, PS2 probably too.
A lot of the info is me quoting Lazy8s on B3D I think... Pana never came in either.
A lot of the info is me quoting Lazy8s on B3D I think... Pana never came in either.
Doom 3 runs on non-programmable T&L video cards (ala Geforce 2). The GC flipper is akin to a DX7 solution (i.e. no programmable shaders). Obviously, Doom 3 runs on video cards that don't have programmable shaders, so IMO, Doom 3 "could" be accomplished on the GC. It would involve trickery of sorts though since the GC doesn't have programmable shaders. It would also probably be a bitch to port it to the GC though.
In essence, I think it "could" be done, but some sacrifices would have to be made.
In essence, I think it "could" be done, but some sacrifices would have to be made.
OG_Original Gamer
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Teddman said:
Problem, later on Carmack admitted to not noing much about the GC hardware.
Spider_Jerusalem
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Well, it could be surely be ported, but I don't know with which result. I'm not a great GC gamer, I only buy the most important games, but I don't remember any game that uses all together the kind of graphics that Doom 3 does (dynamic lighting and normal mapping, basically). Maybe if given to a capable developer that instead of porting it recodes it entirely for the platform capabilities, they could achieve good results. To create an impressive game like RE4, developers had to "cheat" by cutting off a portion of the screen and having a smaller rendering surface, so maybe it would require some similar trick.
After all, if Wreckless was ported to PS2 and GC, nothing is impossible. And remember that Riddick is being ported on PS2 too! But results may vary ;-)
After all, if Wreckless was ported to PS2 and GC, nothing is impossible. And remember that Riddick is being ported on PS2 too! But results may vary ;-)
The Abominable Snowman
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jarrod said:Well, just do what Xenon will have to a spring for a 2nd disc.
Oh and GOD is 1.56GB (single layer). UMD is 1.8GB (dual layer).
Thanks for getting that straight.
That's a nice idea in theory, but both discs will use a lot of the same model data, the same textures, the same environment data, and stuff like that. That's where you basically end up getting a LOT more than just a 2nd disc, because you will have to replicate the same data over different discs.
The Abominable Snowman
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Have you seen the screenshots of those games? If the D3 GC port ends up anything like that, I'll vomit all over the GC. I'm serious too.Spider_Jerusalem said:
tahrikmili
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Chiggs said:
According to carmack it's also not possible to play Doom 3 on Voodoo class hardware, but it can be made to work. Only, you lose bump mapping and volumetric shadows. It ends up looking like shit. That was my point earlier on. What Carmack and id are referring to is portability of the engine without having to cut out technology. I also don't believe Carmack knew what he was talking about there, just because Flipper doesn't have programmable shaders support doesn't mean it can't handle normal mapping. Carmack is known to have spoken out of his ass about platforms he knows nothing about, see Quake being ported to Amiga. Therefore, I think it could be made to work on GameCube and I think the compromise would be reasonable, but I don't think there's a market of any kind.
OG_Original Gamer
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Most devs spend more time with PS2 hardware, few years ago it was deemed a fact that the GC was incapable of doing fur-shading and Rare proved them wrong. Then there's the problem of generalization that goes on in the development community, I get the feeling that if it doesn't do it the way that the Xbox does it, then it can't be done. Most developers have yet to touch "indirect texturing unit" of the GC TEV(texture environment), which is what Factor 5 used to do Dot3 bump mapping in Rogue Squadron 2 and Rebel Strike.
Spider_Jerusalem
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In fact, I was actually hinting that anything can be ported, but I wouldn't bet on the results :lolThe Abominable Snowman said:
And I'm very curious to see the first screenshots frome the Riddick PS2 port: are there any released yet?
OG_Original Gamer
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Spider_Jerusalem said:
Wrong, whether or not you choose to believe Kobayashi, in the April issue of EGM, there's a interview with him. When asked about the borders, he said it didn't have anything to do with the GC hardware. It was a camera issue and increasing the view space for the gamer.
OG_Original Gamer said:
This is what I suspected, but most people didn't believe it. The only benefit that the game would recieve from making the cut would be in terms of clipping. I doubt that they hacked half the viewing space just to do that. I wonder if the real problem was that they couldn't make the game with the anamorphic mode in mind and have it look right for gamers with regular televisions.
OG_Original Gamer
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Teddman said:
Its all about perception of the hardware, and effort. Most developers have never tried it.
Crytek has acheived it.
Polybump is the same thing as normal mapping.
Polybump is a new technology developed by Crytek to enhance 3D-rendering quality without increasing the overhead in real-time rendering. Polybump offers huge benefits for real-time 3D games for the PC, Xbox and Game Cube game systems. It allows users to create and render an extremely low poly model using an ultra high poly model while displaying virtually no visible difference between the two. Rendering time is greatly decreased.
http://www.crytek.com/polybump/index.php?sx=polybump
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Rogue Leader / Rebel Strike.Teddman said:
OG_Original Gamer
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ge-man said:
Yeah, look at the Spinter Cell series. Your limited to a 4:3 viewing space, its only when you go back to your standard third person view, that your capable of seeing more of the srrounding area.
Spider_Jerusalem
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Yeh, maybe this was the their real motivation, but it's a fact that the game actually uses a lower-than normal resolution, so obviously they were allowed to pump the graphics much more than if the image was rendered at full resolution. They may have chosen to cut the borders for whatever reason, but it obviously gave them a good advantage, performance-wise.OG_Original Gamer said:
automagnus
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The day Duke Nukem forever comes out is the day doom 3 goes on gamecube.
The Abominable Snowman
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In short:
Can it? Yes
Will it be even near the same version as the Xbox version? no.
Can it? Yes
Will it be even near the same version as the Xbox version? no.