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Opinion Clickbait COVID-19, the Trump bullet

zeorhymer

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The economy's been doing great under Trump and the slogan "It's the economy, stupid," is in full force for his re-election. Bill Maher was, not too long ago, wanting a recession so that Trump would be elected out of office. Now that we're seeing the slowdown of the global economy, it's not that far fetched that this virus could be the one that takes down Trump. Personally, I think that he'll be able to weather this storm since the economy isn't the only thing in his favor. Illegal immigration is down, new trade agreements have been made, etc. have put him in a good light. Perhaps this could be the China election meddling that people were whispering about!
 

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The economy's been doing great under Trump and the slogan "It's the economy, stupid," is in full force for his re-election. Bill Maher was, not too long ago, wanting a recession so that Trump would be elected out of office. Now that we're seeing the slowdown of the global economy, it's not that far fetched that this virus could be the one that takes down Trump. Personally, I think that he'll be able to weather this storm since the economy isn't the only thing in his favor. Illegal immigration is down, new trade agreements have been made, etc. have put him in a good light. Perhaps this could be the China election meddling that people were whispering about!
It's possible, but if I were advising Trump I would tell him to funnel this into a drive for nationalism. Bring our factories back - we can't have our productive power in the hands of another superpower, etc. Bring back that Made in America mojo to the replace the current 'made in X but we donate a glass of water every time we sell a widget' millennial virtue signal.

It's also an easy case for border security, for his successful drive for energy independence, etc.

I think a lot of this will happen naturally. From everything I've read, seen, and heard, shipping is seriously f'd up right now and businesses are already feeling the effects, and it will be more evident by April. China is also supposedly holding back some safety equipment we need because they also need it, and has nationalized some American factories.

Tldr - while it could hurt him, this could also work out well for him even if, as we all hope, it is a big nothing. The scare to international dependecy is real.
 
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How do you think voters are going to react to Bernie's "open borders" ideology with a pandemic spreading around the world? Trumps border policies may suddenly start to become more attractive.
That depends. What's the mental state of the country right now? I hope they're not suicidal.
 
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To me it makes Trump an even more attractive prospect. He has been mocked for 3 years over his China policies (which seem damn near prophetic now) and people are starting to see that he was right. Also we seem to be making lots of moves to strengthen our relationship with India perhaps as a long term replacement to China.
 

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I don't understand the logic. If the economy is damaged due to widespread virulent pandemic, nations will want stability and familiarity to weather the storm.

Think of it like Trump's 9/11 (assuming it gets that bad, which it won't). Citizens do not tend to switch leaders during times of crisis especially if the leader had kept things stable up to that point, which Trump has.

EDIT: like autoduelist autoduelist mentioned, if anything it goes along with Trump's desire to bring manufacturing back home. Companies are already moving in that direction. Also, China's cost-savings due to slave wages is over (their wages have steadily climbed for the past decade). The country this affects most is China. If they can't keep their populace healthy enough to run the factories, countries aren't going to want to use China as the foundation for their own economy. Makes no sense.
 
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To me it makes Trump an even more attractive prospect. He has been mocked for 3 years over his China policies (which seem damn near prophetic now) and people are starting to see that he was right. Also we seem to be making lots of moves to strengthen our relationship with India perhaps as a long term replacement to China.
I would still prefer to have more things made in America if possible.

In my eyes, it was always a mistake passing off labor to third world countries given their unstable governments or tendency to go to war at any second.

People often argue that it's more expensive this way but it also means more quality too. When was the last time you heard of American products being unreliable? They've always been world class instead of cheap throwaway stuff.
 

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Why not go deeper down this particular rabbit hole, what if Trump brings the virus back from India and is responsible for it running out of control in America? How would that be for a storyline?
 

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I don’t think it will hurt him much because it’s a worldwide problem and not something caused by his policies.
 
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I would still prefer to have more things made in America if possible.

In my eyes, it was always a mistake passing off labor to third world countries given their unstable governments or tendency to go to war at any second.

People often argue that it's more expensive this way but it also means more quality too. When was the last time you heard of American products being unreliable? They've always been world class instead of cheap throwaway stuff.
I don’t disagree. Personally I think it is vital to our national security that our medicine/medical supplies are manufactured in the United States instead of Chine.
 

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How the average voter perceives the economy at the moment is all that really matters, IMO. If a prolonged decline appears likely for any reason, they'll look towards someone else. They are just that fickle and short-sighted. Add in that they may perceive universal healthcare protecting again pandemics and this will be devastating for Trump if this slump were to go into a recession.

Of course, futures are up, and we've had several mini-slumps during this period of very strong growth with (obviously) full recoveries from those slumps. China appears to be trying to restart normal operations (whether you believe they have contained the Wu Flu or not), and it is pretty clear that this slump is just a lagged response from their supply constraint. If the slump only lasts a couple weeks or a month, Trump could pivot it to further push for manufacturing to return to the US.

Oops, maybe I was wrong about Bernie's view on open borders:

He'll say whatever he thinks will get him an audience at the time. During this election cycle (especially with his heavy appeals to clannish Hispanic voters) he has been consistently for every policy that goes with open borders - noncitizens get access to the same benefits without paying (federal) taxes, no wall, abolish ICE. . .

And if he wins he will definitely push for all those things to appease that voter block, and will cast opponents as "racists". He goes IdPol whenever he needs it to rabblerouse.
 

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Coronavirus is a good reason to argue that the US shouldn’t depend so much on international supply chains. Bring them back to America #MAGA

Which is what he should do.
America is too addicted to cheap plastic in order for that to ever happen.
 

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Coronavirus is a good reason to argue that the US shouldn’t depend so much on international supply chains. Bring them back to America #MAGA

Which is what he should do.
Not only that, but buying Chinese products is what keeps the Communist Party in power.

Imagine if the U.S never opened their doors to China, they could have collapsed already like what happened to the USSR.

But now we're keeping them alive, for what? China will never be benevolent to the people that helped them.
 
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To me it makes Trump an even more attractive prospect. He has been mocked for 3 years over his China policies (which seem damn near prophetic now) and people are starting to see that he was right. Also we seem to be making lots of moves to strengthen our relationship with India perhaps as a long term replacement to China.

India and China are signing record trade deals...so no. Us has never been more isolated since the 1800's.

Not only that, but buying Chinese products is what keeps the Communist Party in power.

Imagine if the U.S never opened their doors to China, they could have collapsed already like what happened to the USSR.

But now we're keeping them alive, for what? China will never be benevolent to the people that helped them.
Next you'll tell me normandy landing defeated nazi germany. Lol.

Wrong way around, it was China that opened up and made Us corporations fat and rich. They were crawling to china on their hands and knees salivating. China has existed for millenia without the US, 80% of that time it was the biggest and richest kid on the block. Even at its weakest the west was doing all it could to extract its wealth and open its markets. Opium wars ring a bell?

IS this what Americans do? Take credit for other people's accomplishments? Yes, yes indeed.
 
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This is a natural extension of the Russia fever dream that just broke. This fever will break too -- literally. If you want to beat Trump, you're going to have to face him at the ballot box, likely with a Socialist as your man.

 

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The way I see it the ChinaFlu only helps Trump.

It was true that before people believed that a faltering economy was the only thing that could hurt Trump. It was so widely believed that some people actively wished for an economic collapse.

But now everything has changed. Any economic woes for the rest of the year will be (rightfully) blamed on the ChinaFlu and not on Trump. The media will do their best to spin it as Trumps fault but there's no way it'll ever gain any traction. It'll appear as nothing more than more TDS. If the American economy suffers it will be because it was to closely tied to the Chinese economy, something Trump has worked very hard to correct.

This entire situation only serves to strengthen Trump.
 

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Next you'll tell me normandy landing defeated nazi germany. Lol.

Wrong way around, it was China that opened up and made Us corporations fat and rich. They were crawling to china on their hands and knees salivating. China has existed for millenia without the US, 80% of that time it was the biggest and richest kid on the block. Even at its weakest the west was doing all it could to extract its wealth and open its markets. Opium wars ring a bell?

IS this what Americans do? Take credit for other people's accomplishments? Yes, yes indeed.
Got a source for that?



Even 600 years ago, Europe still had the most wealth per capita.
 
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lol. You can safely ignore any such data pre-1900. Those are silly extrapolations.
Based on what? Are you're saying wealth didn't exist hundreds of years ago?

How do you think America bought Louisiana from France in 1803? Of course money had to exist back then.

We also know China still struggled to industrialize until the later half of the 20th century. They had to turn to the Germans to help bring their military up to modern standards.

So no, I'm not buying this idea that China was rich and it was everyone else who was still living in Caves the whole time.
 
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Thanks to the previous president and government passing NDAA he may not even have to worry about an election with the emergency protocols that can be enacted.

Honestly it would be a good idea to stop people from getting together at voting booths.

Best thing to do is voluntarily quarantine if it gets real bad.

Buy some food. Store some water. Stay inside.
 
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Thanks to the previous president and government passing NDAA he may not even have to worry about an election with the emergency protocols that can be enacted.

Honestly it would be a good idea to stop people from getting together at voting booths.

Best thing to do is voluntarily quarantine if it gets real bad.

Buy some food. Store some water. Stay inside.
Thank goodness I can vote via mail in my state.
 
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If this keeps escalating until elections season rest assured it will be the black death all over again. You'll have slightly bigger problems than not being able to vote.

It will blow over in 2-3 months max. Unless it mutates and we all die terrible deaths.
 
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If this keeps escalating until elections season rest assured it will be the black death all over again. You'll have slightly bigger problems than not being able to vote.

It will blow over in 2-3 months max. Unless it mutates and we all die terrible deaths.
that's the thing it's serious but more like a big slow down and people stay inside for a while big deal.

There is still viable mutation though and a lot of people won't even be infected even if they do catch it. It may not be the end of the world apocalypse bug but it's got some strong characteristics. (long incubation and high transfer rate)
 

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How do you think voters are going to react to Bernie's "open borders" ideology with a pandemic spreading around the world? Trumps border policies may suddenly start to become more attractive.
Good point but at the end of the day it’s all about the economy: free healthcare, student loan forgiveness and taxing the rich get more attractive when layoffs start happening while 3Ms stock goes through the roof due to Mask sales.

If it fizzles out by fall and the stock market recoups he’s got a lock.
 

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All this does is prove what Trump has been saying for the past couple of years correct: get out of China, bring jobs back, and control immigration. Dems have fought him on American First policy every step of the way, and in many cases propose and support things that make us weaker to things like corona: open borders, more reliance on foreign countries for manufacturing, less energy independence, ect. Nevermind, if this thing grows as a problem it will absolutely destroy liberal strongholds that only exist in spite of the lefts policies such as California. Shit-filled, needle covered streets with large homeless populations are a fantastic place for disease to spread and mutate.

This a lesson in why lefty globalization and policies are a danger to the American people and should be rejected.
 

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Trump getting out ahead of China w the tariffs only puts the US in a better position. If this stuff leads to a global recession then US will be better positioned thanks to the steps he already took.

Lefties need to chill with openly desiring economic catastrophe to hurt Trump. Those are people’s 401ks you are threatening.
 

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I think the values Trump has spoken about for years will help him in this situation. he will say we need to take care of each other here. That families are important.

It doesn't matter if you are red or blue. You should be preparing for disasters like this. With the possibility of no food or water being available.
 

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Yes, Trump was so right and prophetic about all this. Truly a visionary mind.



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"Noooo he can't just cut 49 programs to just 10!!?!?!111 Government must only grow, never contract!"

U.S. should not be responsible for carrying countries that can't hygiene. We will be fine.
That's a very foolish way of thinking, ignoring the fast global spread of disease by land, air and sea across such an interconnected world.

Cutting funding for the CDC, which is what led to shutting down those programs, leads to the exact opposite of prevention: delayed reaction.

In 2018, for instance, the CDC cut 80% of its efforts to prevent global disease outbreaks because it was running out of money. Ultimately, the department went from working in 49 countries to just 10.
-Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council.

-Eliminating the US government's $30 million Complex Crises Fund.

-Reducing national health spending by $15 billion.
Funding has also been cut drastically to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), forcing it to reduce or discontinue epidemic-prevention efforts in 39 out of the 49 countries it had been helping. Among the countries where CDC efforts were scaled back were Haiti, Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo as well as China, where the agency provided technical assistance.

In its 2020 budget the Trump administration proposed a further 10% cut in CDC funding, equivalent to $750m. It zeroed out funding for epidemiology and laboratory capacity at state and local levels.
There is no one in the White House tasked specifically to oversee a coordinated government-wide response in the event of a pandemic, since the post of senior director for global health security and biothreats on the national security council (NSC) was eliminated last May.

The office was established in 2016 after the outbreak of the Ebola virus in Africa demonstrated the US government was not set up to move with the speed and decisiveness necessary to react to a really lethal epidemic.
The CDC is working on a new test to screen for the coronavirus, but according to New York magazine, problems with the test's development resulted in only three out of 100 public-health labs being equipped to screen for the virus. Moreover, each test costs as much as $250, and the Health and Human Services Department is already running out of money to finance an adequate response to the outbreak.
 
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Yes, Trump was so right and prophetic about all this. Truly a visionary mind.


"Noooo he can't just cut 49 programs to just 10!!?!?!111 Government must only grow, never contract!"

U.S. should not be responsible for carrying countries that can't hygiene. We will be fine.
 

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Since when is market globalization left wing? It took them forever to adapt to it, that's why Clinton spent big government money on providing resources to people who lost their manufacturing jobs to offshoring because people couldn't learn to grow and compete on their own.

Republicans (Reagan) are about raw capitalism, endless competition, more markets to increase sales and reduce labor costs to increase value to shareholders. Don't give credit to Democrats lol, we did that shit, not them.

What's good about Trump is that China is now too powerful, so we need to secure our power by not relying on them so much, and taking it hard to them on trade. The Corona virus is just luck to take advantage of.
 
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