ProfessorMoran
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Sackboy would look glorious with that tech.
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Crafting a Next-Gen Material Pipeline for The Order: 1886 (video/screen/slides/notes)
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Sackboy would look glorious with that tech.
Most impressed with the cloth and the ease of composition.
Not that the rest is not impressive but that stood out.
(At least it sounded like that when Ru talked about it at E3.)
Not that the rest is not impressive but that stood out.
Ready at Dawn is great. I'm glad we get to see a game from them on a home console and it being their own thing, that they wanted to do.
(At least it sounded like that when Ru talked about it at E3.)
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I really like the sub surface scattering approach they got going on,
Still a bit of plasticine to the skin, but much better than this current gens harsh speculars and normals approach.
Still a bit of plasticine to the skin, but much better than this current gens harsh speculars and normals approach.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Very nice.
He keeps it classy though.
The Order makes me so excited. I'm putting my moustache back on.
You tease my feeble mind...
Looks really good. Would be even better if they said how much performance they were able to save using it, eg FPS without and with. Also, I don't think MS has Titans in their Azure cloud, but sure the potential for some great things is there.
wonderdung
Member
Get used to not noticing. It's not about visuals as much as it is about changing the way you create shaders and materials to give you more predictable results under varying conditions.
You'll notice one of the presentations in that course is about a COD game. Did you know it was physically based?
copelandmaster
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JordanN
Banned
Is 3d scanning for game pipelines a new thing?
I know developers have scanned photographs before and use them for games (a la Max Payne), but it's the first I've heard of a 3D scanner being used to gather real life normal maps.
Also, I admire all the composite material used for the pump. I want to be able to add detail like that.
I know developers have scanned photographs before and use them for games (a la Max Payne), but it's the first I've heard of a 3D scanner being used to gather real life normal maps.
Also, I admire all the composite material used for the pump. I want to be able to add detail like that.
phosphor112
Banned
Saw this yesterday, couldn't find all the links to post. Thanks for doing that for us though OP.
Work looks great, I can't wait.
Work looks great, I can't wait.
Dictator93
Member
Their clothing shader is tip top. Very convincing results.
luca_29_bg
Member
Is incredible....i'm passing out. now! I want this game so badly!! O__________O
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
There's lots of potential in this game as hardly anyone does proper goth type settings with this type of game play. Not well enough, at least.
FranXico
Member
Looks interesting, thank you for sharing.
Nice article and very nice results, but they are using far more powerful cloud hardware then Microsoft is.
Law Abiding Stranger
Banned
Looks amazing setting wise, I just hope the gameplay will be interesting.
dragonelite
Member
I said that could calculated on the cloud, but looking at the hardware it doesn't seem that financially feasible right now. Maybe in 2~3 years it will only get cheaper.
But then again this is for every light source in the scene maybe you can save a lot of performance by only doing the it for the sun. Or a couple of lightsources.
On topic with The Order:1886 seems like a fast and efficient way to get a lot of textures going. I believe kojima did the same thing but with models not sure if they also did textures and normals.
And next gen brass pump...
KojiPro is using this for MGS5.
luca_29_bg
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efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
Material scanning stuff is pretty impressive.
I really love the implications of physically based rendering when paired with these kinds of texture libraries. The Killzone Shadow Fall slides and these ones really show off how many different types of games it can apply to. It really speeds up asset creation and improves quality.
AA method seems pretty good too.
I really love the implications of physically based rendering when paired with these kinds of texture libraries. The Killzone Shadow Fall slides and these ones really show off how many different types of games it can apply to. It really speeds up asset creation and improves quality.
AA method seems pretty good too.
Thread isn't sensational enough for crazy. You need stuff like "dev sez Wii U is last gen", "mentally fragile dev quits FezII", "PS4 has an OS that needs RAM", etc. in the title for that.
The setting is the most exciting thing about this for me. Well, combined with the fact that RAD made my favorite GoW game. Glad their getting a chance to do their own thing.
GameGuru59
Banned
Looks great. That's actually a really impressive way of capturing real world textures. Now if only developers put this much effort into game design...
How About No
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That is a sexy spout. I can only dream of making such a good looking spout one day.
SolidSnakex
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That's what proper lighting can do for character models. The trailer featured the character models being shown in an actual game environment with game lighting. The car models from GT5/6 look really weird when they shown off in the white room screens, but under proper lighting they look amazing.
That's pretty impressive. I was skeptical of cloud based lighting schemes actually working, but that holds up very well even in low latency. There were a couple times where the ambient shadows popped in really bad, but other than that very promising tech.
GameSeeker
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MJP,
An excellent presentation, as well as a very impressive debut trailer for The Order: 1886 at E3. A few question, if you can provide comments. If you can't, I understand.
1) In an era of deferred renderers, it's interesting to see Ready at Dawn using a tiled forward renderer. Obviously, there are pro's/con's with either approach. One of the pro's to foward renderer's is "better compatibility" with MSAA. I noticed that the E3 trailer is quite clean with respect to aliasing artifacts. Are you planning on using MSAA to deliver anti-aliasing or are you planning to use shader-based techniques like MLAA? I'm really looking forward to much improved anti-aliasing solutions in next gen games, so I'm curious as to what different teams are doing.
2) The 3D material scanning solution looks excellent. The presentation doesn't state what resolution you can capture. Does your solution allow you to directly capture 4K textures?
3) Can you tell us roughly how many polygons are in the model shown for the Skin Shading shots?
Thank you. I look forward to seeing more of The Order: 1886 in the future.
An excellent presentation, as well as a very impressive debut trailer for The Order: 1886 at E3. A few question, if you can provide comments. If you can't, I understand.
1) In an era of deferred renderers, it's interesting to see Ready at Dawn using a tiled forward renderer. Obviously, there are pro's/con's with either approach. One of the pro's to foward renderer's is "better compatibility" with MSAA. I noticed that the E3 trailer is quite clean with respect to aliasing artifacts. Are you planning on using MSAA to deliver anti-aliasing or are you planning to use shader-based techniques like MLAA? I'm really looking forward to much improved anti-aliasing solutions in next gen games, so I'm curious as to what different teams are doing.
2) The 3D material scanning solution looks excellent. The presentation doesn't state what resolution you can capture. Does your solution allow you to directly capture 4K textures?
3) Can you tell us roughly how many polygons are in the model shown for the Skin Shading shots?
Thank you. I look forward to seeing more of The Order: 1886 in the future.
Thank you! We worked really hard on it.
1) We actually used to use deferred rendering, and one of the reasons for switching was so that MSAA would be more affordable and less error-prone. I'm a firm believer in MSAA, and I think it's required if you want really good image quality. The shader-based techniques like FXAA and MLAA are certainly a lot better than nothing and they make a still screenshot look really nice, but they're fundamentally limited by a lack of sub-pixel information and it really shows in motion. They can still be nice though when used in conjunction with MSAA in order to improve the quality further and to cover up some of the places where MSAA doesn't work as well, and there's also some shader things you can do on modern GPU's that make MSAA more effective overall.
2) I'm honestly not sure what the resolution is of a raw capture. I'll have to ask Dave, the scanner is his baby.
3) A lot.
Horse Armour
Member
What about something like SMAA which combines MLAA with subpixel information and a temporal filter for added temporal stability? Could you not have stuck with deferred and used SMAA?Thank you! We worked really hard on it.
1) We actually used to use deferred rendering, and one of the reasons for switching was so that MSAA would be more affordable and less error-prone. I'm a firm believer in MSAA, and I think it's required if you want really good image quality. The shader-based techniques like FXAA and MLAA are certainly a lot better than nothing and they make a still screenshot look really nice, but they're fundamentally limited by a lack of sub-pixel information and it really shows in motion. They can still be nice though when used in conjunction with MSAA in order to improve the quality further and to cover up some of the places where MSAA doesn't work as well, and there's also some shader things you can do on modern GPU's that make MSAA more effective overall.
2) I'm honestly not sure what the resolution is of a raw capture. I'll have to ask Dave, the scanner is his baby.
3) A lot.
Well, to have SMAA to handle sub-pixel it still needs MSAA.
Nice to see more Forward + engine in the future (The Witcher 3 also use it).
Thanks for sharing with us information MJP
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I really appreciate the focus on image quality.
I absolutely despise jaggies....as the PS3 gen comes to a close, seeing the last of us being so beautiful, but so jaggy, is a little disappointing.
I was hoping jaggies would be a thing of the past for the PS4 but depending on developer direction this isn't going to be the case.
I absolutely despise jaggies....as the PS3 gen comes to a close, seeing the last of us being so beautiful, but so jaggy, is a little disappointing.
I was hoping jaggies would be a thing of the past for the PS4 but depending on developer direction this isn't going to be the case.
Dragon1893
Member
I really need to see gameplay. I have really high hopes for this one.
Thank you! We worked really hard on it.
1) We actually used to use deferred rendering, and one of the reasons for switching was so that MSAA would be more affordable and less error-prone. I'm a firm believer in MSAA, and I think it's required if you want really good image quality. The shader-based techniques like FXAA and MLAA are certainly a lot better than nothing and they make a still screenshot look really nice, but they're fundamentally limited by a lack of sub-pixel information and it really shows in motion. They can still be nice though when used in conjunction with MSAA in order to improve the quality further and to cover up some of the places where MSAA doesn't work as well, and there's also some shader things you can do on modern GPU's that make MSAA more effective overall.
2) I'm honestly not sure what the resolution is of a raw capture. I'll have to ask Dave, the scanner is his baby.
3) A lot.
You need to start saying this to everyone that works on games for PS4. Sounds great.
TLoU's is more annoying since sometimes the AA method works great so it's more distracting when tons of jaggies show up all of a sudden instead of always being there.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
About damn time we get some werewolves! This is going to be so badass!