Cyberpunk 2077 HypeTrain |OT| Just breathe

What platform are you going to play on?

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This game is made for a 6+ year old hardware, what kind of graphics do you expect?

And no it wont look significantly better on the next gen consoles all of a sudden.
it looks good i think. nothing wrong with the graphics.

the decision to make it entirely 1st person is just an excuse for them to not bother doing all the work for motion capture, lip syncing, and animation. look at the animations in the deep dive. they are no better than the animations for Witcher 3. what the hell have CDPR been doing all this time?
 

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I am also not fan of the latest news.

Cutscenes in FPP, wtf... You generally cannot control your character during cutscenes, and now it will be fpp. Great. Immersion my ass.

I expect this is due to time/resources constrains.... Which is bad news.

I wanted to preorder this soon, but I'll wait. Still buying it day one, but recent info made me cautious.
 
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This game is made for a 6+ year old hardware, what kind of graphics do you expect?

And no it wont look significantly better on the next gen consoles all of a sudden.
what kind ? well maybe kinda that RDR2 showed on same 6 year old hardware or some ps4 exclusives like Horizon , Days Gone, so we know what can be achieved on those consoles.
 
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remember that moment in 2018 when they said its game engine
Looking at the current wave of Downgrade accusations being wielded at CDPR, it seems to me the contrast is much starker between the reveal trailer with "Game engine footage" stamped on it and last year's 50-minute demo. Nothing in last year's gameplay footage is in the same ballpark.

Now, you can always defer back to the disclaimers, of footage not being representative of the final product, of everything being subject to change, of game development taking a toll, but the question then becomes what exactly are the point and the ethics of showing something you're not even confident is representative of the finished game? Am I to keep quiet as graphical fidelity seems to drop a notch at each showing just because I was forewarned it might potentially happen? Do the people who think like this, would they also keep quiet had the graphical fidelity increased?
Wouldn't they praise CDPR?

"Work In Progress."?
Well, progress can go either way.

CDPR has a dubious track record when it comes to these matters. Their handling of the whole TW3 Downgrade debacle was highly questionable. So, at the very least, caution is historically justified.

This game is made for a 6+ year old hardware, what kind of graphics do you expect?
Yes, and that was already the case when the reveal trailer, which showcased much higher graphical fidelity, was shown to the public, as per CDPR's voluntary decision.

And no it wont look significantly better on the next gen consoles all of a sudden.
You're contradicting yourself here. You can't blame current-gen hardware for CDPR's seeming modest graphical ambitions and then claim the situation shan't improve significantly when what's been described as a quantum leap specs-wise finally drops.[/quote][/quote]
 
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still wonder how that driving will work , will you drive on auto or stear yourself between places


some stuff from trailer looks ok i guess, or they changed older video to newer better quality and now all looks kinda less blurry maybe






and for someone who questioning what can be achieved on 6 year old console , its Death Stranding , just look at it
 
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still wonder how that driving will work , will you drive on auto or stear yourself between places


some stuff from trailer looks ok i guess, or they changed older video to newer better quality and now all looks kinda less blurry maybe
have you played Final Fantasy 15?
 

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you mean travel will be same style with FF 15 ?
on some interview dev said you can travel between places as walking but its better to drive there because its just dangerous and stuff, wonder if its just lie and you just need to travel, but they said then that there wont be fast travel between places and no loading screens anywhere between any areas.
 
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Yes this is game engine. They didn’t say gameplay incase you don’t know the difference🤷🏻‍♂️
Do you not spot a clear difference between the graphical fidelity of that cutscene and that of the mirror scene in the same trailer an the graphical fidelity of any of the cutscenes we've been treated to after?

That's the question.
 

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Do you not spot a clear difference between the graphical fidelity of that cutscene and that of the mirror scene in the same trailer an the graphical fidelity of any of the cutscenes we've been treated to after?

That's the question.
I can spot all differences but it doesn’t mean it isn’t the game engine because it isn’t gameplay
 

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I can spot all differences but it doesn’t mean it isn’t the game engine because it isn’t gameplay
That's not the point.

The point is that if, like myself and apparently others, you can spot a seeming decrease in graphical fidelity between that cutscene and the newer ones, then maybe there's no real assurance you'll get that cutscene with that kind of graphical fidelity, especially given how we've had a similar situation with TW3 and it didn't pan out all that great.
 

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there is just no way to get from downgrading stuff when it comes to consoles , some stuff must go off be lowered or turned off , question is like some games you can still get better version on pc , and in other cases they just making all ports about same and then enhancing some pc version.
still many console games can look much better these days then latest demo that we saw, on some places it looks ok but on others not so well. that was the point. first demo was just mind blowing , and this last for me was just OK. but we all know how youtube videos can look , so maybe its because that
 

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remember that first teaser ? ...

that was only thing CGI . all later stuff was on game engine.
 
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scalman

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noone stoping them to make pc version just perfect , so next gen consoles would be like maxed PC , so its not that they need to make another version , noone stopped them to leave all good stuff for PC version and later make that next gen console version. Question is can they do that or just go easier way . i remember they said couple times that console versions will be as good as they can be. So well see yet. i wonder what quality saw those people who saw full 50 min of this demo , what they think of it ?
 

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That's not the point.

The point is that if, like myself and apparently others, you can spot a seeming decrease in graphical fidelity between that cutscene and the newer ones, then maybe there's no real assurance you'll get that cutscene with that kind of graphical fidelity, especially given how we've had a similar situation with TW3 and it didn't pan out all that great.
Ah okay, got your point mate. Well let’s not rush anything, they still have 8 months to polish or even downgrade. We’ll see then
 
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so game upgraded from last years demo not downgraded, just they showed it on lower res or something

they just looked at different demo then we where, so maybe its not bad looking .
 
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remember that first teaser ? ...

that was only thing CGI . all later stuff was on game engine.
The E3 2019 trailer was also Pre-rendered CGI.
so game upgraded from last years demo not downgraded, just they showed it on lower res or something

they just looked at different demo then we where, so maybe its not bad looking .
Essentially. I never understood why so many online were so quick to scream "downgrade." It's more likely running at different, seemingly lower settings. Also, console players should go ahead and start tempering their expectations accordingly.
 
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But 1080p can look as crisp too and textures dont look like shit on 1080p . I see that they where impressed for rtx but if that will make my game blurry mess then thank you but no thank you.
They showed us super crisp rtx images from same scenes and then showes blurry demo gameplay. Weird
 

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I guess they decided to start showing realistic results on today's hardware with RTX on.

As far as the IQ maybe they have a blur filter applied by default. Combined with 1080p it's just very blurry overall.
 

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So basically they had to run it at 1080p for RTX on.
No, the gameplay demo they showed behind closed doors was native 4k with RTX on and 30fps. That was with a 2080 Ti. Hopefully further optimizations will be made closer to release.
 
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The E3 2019 trailer was also Pre-rendered CGI.

Essentially. I never understood why so many online were so quick to scream "downgrade."
I wouldn't say the matter is settled.
At all.

Which is more representative of the current game, the demo DF watched at Gamescom or this newer footage, that came out afterwards? People cannot comment on footage DF was treated to but they were not. People can only comment on a video that by DF's own admission is miles away from what they saw. And based off on this footage, the game simply does not live up to the reveal trailer. You can call it Downgrade, you can call it not measuring up, you can call it whatever you want.

Additionally, and this is very important, there's an historical precedent to a possible downgrade.

It's more likely running at different, seemingly lower settings. Also, console players should go ahead and start tempering their expectations accordingly.
Why haven't CDPR made uncompressed footage available to everyone via Gamersyde, like they always do? Why did they put out an allegedly 4K video that DF claims isn't really 4k? If DLSS is to fault, why haven't they released another video with DLSS turned off?

For some reason, you decided to ignore all of these burning questions and turn your attention to those trying to put 2 and 2 together.
 
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Even if the image is more crisp and clear, it doesn't explain why the lightning is so flat and the colours are washed out
 

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it looks good i think. nothing wrong with the graphics.

the decision to make it entirely 1st person is just an excuse for them to not bother doing all the work for motion capture, lip syncing, and animation. look at the animations in the deep dive. they are no better than the animations for Witcher 3. what the hell have CDPR been doing all this time?
They put the money elsewhere. Probably in level designers. Or it's like with Rockstar and shitty controls. Sometimes no amount of resources solves the problem for whatever reason.

No, the gameplay demo they showed behind closed doors was native 4k with RTX on and 30fps. That was with a 2080 Ti. Hopefully further optimizations will be made closer to release.
Based on journo impressions or from CDPR? Would be nice if true but I'll stay skeptical.
 
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Based on journo impressions or from CDPR? Would be nice if true but I'll stay skeptical.
It's straight from eurogamer: https:/www.eurogamer.net/amp/digitalfoundry-2019-the-new-cyberpunk-2077-video-looks-good-but-the-gamescom-demo-was-better

If a single RTX 2080 Ti is indeed capable of delivering 4K visuals with ray tracing features enabled at a fairly solid 30 frames per second (we noted some minor dips - but remember we are far out from release), the overall outlook for Cyberpunk 2077 performance is looking pretty good
 

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You can call it Downgrade, you can call it not measuring up, you can call it whatever you want.
Downgrade refers to a very notable compromise in the final presentation and scope of the game across any & all platforms. I have not seen any indication that this indeed the case for CP2077. Calling it "whatever you want" is not wise, imo. A more objective assessment is much preferred.
Why haven't CDPR made uncompressed footage available to everyone via Gamersyde, like they always do? Why did they put out an allegedly 4K video that DF claims isn't really 4k? If DLSS is to fault, why haven't they released another video with DLSS turned off?

For some reason, you decided to ignore all of these burning questions and turn your attention to those trying to put 2 and 2 together.
Come on now. I'm not ignoring any of your "burning" questions, just because I didn't also mention them in my post lol

I would have preferred if they' just released the 50 minute demo in its entirety as well, but their reasoning for doing so, if you're unaware, is that it would be to spoiler intensive. Which I disagree with as people should decide that for themselves.
I suppose they prefer to not spoil an entire quest and keep some surprises for when people play it for themselves.

Sony haven't been releasing any of the recent the trailers for Death Stranding on Gamersyde either, I'm not sure why that is. Sometime Blim Blim and their crew don't always have immediate access to every newly released game footage, and at times not at all.
 

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Downgrade refers to a very notable compromise in the final presentation and scope of the game across any & all platforms.
In this context, I would define Downgrade as a notable decrease in graphical fidelity.

I have not seen any indication that this indeed the case for CP2077. Calling it "whatever you want" is not wise, imo. A more objective assessment is much preferred.
If one compares the reveal trailer with the latest footage, one can indeed see for oneself how the newest best looking shots don't live up to the bets looking shots from last year. It's not just the blurriness, which can be explained by a number of reasons, it's notably lighting quality and model quality.

The seeming regress qualifies as a potential downgrade.

Come on now. I'm not ignoring any of your "burning" questions, just because I didn't also mention them in my post lol
You didn't bring them up and instead decided to turn your attention to those calling out the apparent discrepancy ion graphical fidelity. Again, nothing in the DF video justifies this attitude, because a) we haven't watched the demo they have and b) no one outside CDPR circles knows which footage more accurately represents the current state of the game.

I would have preferred if they' just released the 50 minute demo in its entirety as well,
I don't mind it being just 15 minutes.
After the 45-minute long we got last year, 15 minutes seems reasonable to me. I do mind the blurriness, the 4K blunder and the absence of an uncomprossed version.

but their reasoning for doing so, if you're unaware, is that it would be to spoiler intensive.
See above,
While understandable, this reason doesn't square with teh fact tehy've shown it to the general public twice now, at E3 and at Gamescom.

Which I disagree with as people should decide that for themselves.
I suppose they prefer to not spoil an entire quest and keep some surprises for when people play it for themselves.
Why show it to the general public, twice , then?

Sony haven't been releasing any of the recent the trailers for Death Stranding on Gamersyde either,
The point is CDPR usually does.
See for yourself:

 
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CYberpunk 2077 multiplayer officially Confirmed:


1/2 Until now, the only thing we said about multi was that it was in R&D. As we’re getting closer to launching ‘single player’ Cyberpunk 2077 in Apr. 2020, we’d like to confirm that multiplayer's in the works! If you feel like lending us your skills apply:
2/2 The plan for now is to deliver Cyberpunk 2077 in April, then follow up with DLCs (free!) and single player content, and — once we’re done — invite you for some multiplayer action
 
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Can they tell something I actually like? Not that I mind this piece of news, but I couldn't care less... And recently they are not in the best form with the info we receive from CDPR...
 

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I mean they have to right? If the world is wel realised and fun Cyberpunk Online might be on the top sellers for the next 7 years like GTA Online.
 

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I actually like the MP idea and there were rumors of MP from years ago. Who wants to be in my Akira bike gang?
 
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In this context, I would define Downgrade as a notable decrease in graphical fidelity.
Which would fall under presentation. If the recently captured footage is running on a different graphics card at a lower resolution, that doesn't mean that people playing on PC won't still be able to yield the same results if they have a Titan RTX graphics card. The question is, should it be considered a compromise though? I don't believe so.
If one compares the reveal trailer with the latest footage, one can indeed see for oneself how the newest best looking shots don't live up to the bets looking shots from last year. It's not just the blurriness, which can be explained by a number of reasons, it's notably lighting quality and model quality.
Again, there seems to reasons for the apparent difference, and it seems more likely to be a result from a difference in graphics card settings, rather than CDPR downgrading the actual presentation of the game, full stop. The recent footage even has better reflections than we saw in last year's demo. The lighting and resolution are not the same as seen previously, but the actual assets have not changed to my knowledge.
You didn't bring them up and instead decided to turn your attention to those calling out the apparent discrepancy ion graphical fidelity. Again, nothing in the DF video justifies this attitude, because a) we haven't watched the demo they have and b) no one outside CDPR circles knows which footage more accurately represents the current state of the game.
Right...Which is why I'm calling out people who are assuming the worst case scenario and labeling it a downgrade. How is my sentiment not justified exactly? I'm not being unreasonable at all here. Also, that same argument could be used against you.
While understandable, this reason doesn't square with teh fact tehy've shown it to the general public twice now, at E3 and at Gamescom.
They technically didn't though. On both occasions they showed off the game behind closed doors to press and attendees. After which they released the first 48 minute demo to the general public.
Why show it to the general public, twice , then?
Once again, they technically haven't shown the second demo to general public. The E3 2019 demo was showcased behind closed doors to press and attendees.
The point is CDPR usually does.
See for yourself:
I'm very much aware of Gamersyde lol. I've already mentioned Blim Blim in previous post. My point is that Sony have typically released less compressed footage captured at a higher resolution to sites like Gamersyde, but haven't done so recently. It's not a situation exclusive to CDPR & CP2077. You'll just have to consult with someone from Gamersyde as to why.
 

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massive single player world made for story cant just became online area , its not possible with all those NPC out there and stuff, so what they will do , make separate map , separate area or what ? they rater not bother , as i dont care for that.
 

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massive single player world made for story cant just became online area , its not possible with all those NPC out there and stuff, so what they will do , make separate map , separate area or what ? they rater not bother , as i dont care for that.
There are a lot of wars going on abroad in Cyberpunk world. Maybe they'll make something akin to the desert map in PUBG and go full Battlefield there - with tanks and power armor. They can do tons of things without reusing the main map of Night City.
 
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Which would fall under presentation. If the recently captured footage is running on a different graphics card at a lower resolution, that doesn't mean that people playing on PC won't still be able to yield the same results if they have a Titan RTX graphics card. The question is, should it be considered a compromise though? I don't believe so.
That's certainly a possibility.
During TW3 marketing CDPR only showed console footage when release was fast approaching and they clearly stated what platform it was recorded on.

Bt contrast:

- We are 8 months ahead of release.
- All public demos played so far were on high-end PCs.
- Nvidia released the exact same footage and stuck a "RTX on" on it.
- Platform and settings were not disclosed

So you tell me what seems more likely, console of up-to-date PC footage with RTX on.

Again, there seems to reasons for the apparent difference, and it seems more likely to be a result from a difference in graphics card settings, rather than CDPR downgrading the actual presentation of the game, full stop.
Why?

The recent footage even has better reflections than we saw in last year's demo. The lighting and resolution are not the same as seen previously, but the actual assets have not changed to my knowledge.
The reason why I talked about having some latitude when deeming this a Downgrade was exactly this. It was the first time we saw Johnny's in-game model and Pacifica at large. So when some deem the lighting sub-par or Silverhand's model and textures puzzling, no one outside CDPR is in a position to cry Downgrade because no one had seen them before. But anyone is certainly in a position to deem them not up to theirs or even CDPR's standards.

Right...Which is why I'm calling out people who are assuming the worst case scenario and labeling it a downgrade.
And that's why I have called you out.

As of late, CDPR behaviour has been downright baffling, much more then almost anything I've witnessed from the fans you decided to point the finger at. Maybe this is an obscure backhand strategy of them to lower expectations so to surprise everyone later on or something as Machiavellian as that. Otherwise, their behaviour hardly makes sense.

How is my sentiment not justified exactly? I'm not being unreasonable at all here. Also, that same argument could be used against you.
I didn't exactly say you're being unreasonable. I'd say the few facts we have gramt, tentatively, a different conclusion.

They technically didn't though. On both occasions they showed off the game behind closed doors to press and attendees. After which they released the first 48 minute demo to the general public.
Showing the full demo to journalists and thousands and thousands of people both in Europe and the States qualifies as showing it to the general public. The demos have been described in great detail by the press and influencers. The issue of spoilers seems almost vapid at this point.

Once again, they technically haven't shown the second demo to general public. The E3 2019 demo was showcased behind closed doors to press and attendees.
See above.

I'm very much aware of Gamersyde lol. I've already mentioned Blim Blim in previous post. My point is that Sony have typically released less compressed footage captured at a higher resolution to sites like Gamersyde,
We're discussing CDPR bahviour, not how Sony does things. As you know, in the past CDPR did release uncompressed footage and screenshots to Gamersyde.
This time they haven't.

Is it overly sensitive to think there just might be a reason behind this apparent change?

but haven't done so recently. It's not a situation exclusive to CDPR & CP2077.
That logic is very peculiar.
To gauge this instance one compares it with past instances, not Sony's track record, mind you, but CDPR's. And what do we learn? We learn that CDPR have released crisp uncompressed footage every single time.

You'll just have to consult with someone from Gamersyde as to why.
No, the question is actually to be addressed to CDPR: Even, let's go with the absurd, even if Gamersyde had refused to host the crisp footage, CDPR could have easily distributed it via other outlets, all of which would give their right harm to get those waves of clicks.
 
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I was insanely hyped when the game was announced and the teaser trailer was out, but all the wait has killed my interest in the game, and now I'm really lowering my expectaions
Especially because they haven't showed us anything mindblowing and it seems like every other week there are some bad news about the game (i.e no TPP cutscenes)
 

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I was insanely hyped when the game was announced and the teaser trailer was out, but all the wait has killed my interest in the game, and now I'm really lowering my expectaions
Especially because they haven't showed us anything mindblowing and it seems like every other week there are some bad news about the game (i.e no TPP cutscenes)
From what I saw explained, it will be a mix of TPP and FP cutscenes. But I'm guessing the majority will be FP.
 

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From what I saw explained, it will be a mix of TPP and FP cutscenes. But I'm guessing the majority will be FP.
go to the 48min demo. V gets out of bed its TPP. V get's implants its FPP. Mostly it will be FPP.