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[Man]

I think about it as a more awesome faction event system:

You met a NPC in your way to some dark forrest.He managed to trap another NPC on a magic trap spell, but running away from there he left the ring that keeps on the spell, he ask you to get it for him, he's tired and wounded so he can't go himself.

At the same time another player mets the imprisoned NPC in the forrest, he says another NPC trap him there, but that a ring is the device that keeps the spell on and he "feels it" in some place in the forrest.

So both make an oath to each NPC, they now are playing against other without knowing it. They may found each other in the forrest, but they don't know what are really doing each other there, so what will happen when they realize they are in different faction? who will realize first so he can set a trap to the other player? they may even never realize they were in the same forrest, anaway, they may been allies in the past....

The possiblities are endless, it could be even better if From would add new events every few weeks or so.

Cross objectives is one of the new aspects with Dark Souls. Most likely Oath related.

 

[John Rabbit]

Would be neat if there's an oath that makes you more susceptible to invasions.

from the way it sounds its less about invasions and more about sharing a space with other players, some of whom will be friendly to you and some who will be against you depending on the oaths you've sworn in the game.

my question would be if the oaths are single-time only or can you choose the opposite oath to serve some purpose. like world tendency.

 

[makingmusic476]

I need that CE fucking yesterday.

 

[Zeliard]

Damn, look at that scope. Explorable?

 

[Captain Pants]

I feel like these washed out screens weren't meant to be released.

 

[Cloudius12]

OMFG!!!!!!!!

The bridge is out!!

 

[Amir0x]

This game is obviously gaming nirvana. I think I will play this one for the rest of PS3's generation.*





























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PROVIDED PSN EVER COMES BACK UP LOL

 

[Mortrialus]

I'm sorry, trying to equate the atmosphere/visual direction and music with the storyline in the game is far too reaching for me to take seriously.

You are so far removed from the very basics of visual storytelling that this conversation is pointless.

 

[Deadly]

59.99$ foir a LE?! SOLD.

 

[pantyhelmet]

You are so far removed from the very basics of visual storytelling that this conversation is pointless.

agreed.

 

[John Harker]

Do we think PSN will be back up by launch?

I'm leaning toward PS3 version simply because of Demon's Souls and I've gotten used to the controller for it, but wouldn't want to play disconnected.

 

[Amir0x]

You are so far removed from the very basics of visual storytelling that this conversation is pointless.

Oh thank God! This way I won't have to hear another one of your comical screeds where you're consistently incorrect about everything and you get yourself angrier and angrier as you fail to move me with your pitiable arguments

We had one of those in a topic the other day. it was very painful to watch! Thanks for granting me a reprieve

 

[thetrin]

Demon's Souls and Dark Souls both fill a niche for gaming that is otherwise usually pretty vacant. I don't think every game needs to be like it (that sounds kinda shitty actually), but I love that games like this still exist, and these games carry that tradition.

Do we think PSN will be back up by launch?

I'm leaning toward PS3 version simply because of Demon's Souls and I've gotten used to the controller for it, but wouldn't want to play disconnected.

If PSN isn't up by October, Sony is in serious trouble.

 

[Captain Pants]

Do we think PSN will be back up by launch?

I'm leaning toward PS3 version simply because of Demon's Souls and I've gotten used to the controller for it, but wouldn't want to play disconnected.

If PSN isn't back by October, it is never coming back.

 

[shintoki]

You mean that collector's Edition is going be the same price as a normal title? All the stops are being hit for this.

 

[comedian]

Shut up and take my money !

 

[bone_and_sinew]

Will there be an easy mode =(

Biorrlaughs)

 

[Amir0x]

Biorrlaughs)

They have campfires though so that new users can find an easier time getting into the game. That is the one pass they've given newbies.

 

[Zeliard]

Though as I understand it the campfires basically just act like variations on the Nexus hub.

 

[Captain Pants]

Though as I understand it the campfires basically just act like variations on the Nexus hub.

That is my understanding too.

 

[Mortrialus]

Oh thank God! This way I won't have to hear another one of your comical screeds where you're consistently incorrect about everything and you get yourself angrier and angrier as you fail to move me with your pitiable arguments

We had one of those in a topic the other day. it was very painful to watch! Thanks for granting me a reprieve

The only thing laughable right now is your ignorance.

 

[Nelo Ice]

whoa was gonna get the CE regardless but free upgrade o hell yeah!

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

You are so far removed from the very basics of visual storytelling that this conversation is pointless.

There's basically no storytelling elements in Dark Souls: most of dialogues and all are there to build a world, with their myths, gods, demons, etc...

There's is no character development, plot (which is as simple and basic as, destroy the evil and bring back world peace), morality or anything that should be taken into consideration beyond of what the game is simply offering you: a world for the player to inmerse himself.

Demon souls is basically the opposite of, for example a game like ICO (which shares the same importance of visual elements and lack of cutscenes), where the world is basically an excuse to show the relationship and they increasing bond between two characters.

 

[Necromanti]

Damn, look at that scope. Explorable?

From what we've heard, it sure seems like it.

"The world that the player can travel in and all the interconnected dungeons have been very specifically designed so that everything you can see can be explored."

 

[chaostrophy]

Demon's Souls and Dark Souls both fill a niche for gaming that is otherwise usually pretty vacant. I don't think every game needs to be like it (that sounds kinda shitty actually), but I love that games like this still exist, and these games carry that tradition.

Depends on what you mean by "like it". Gaming in general would be so much better if every game put in the effort Demon's Souls did on basics like level design and feel of the weapons/actions, rather than ignoring them and focusing on spectacle to hook players.

 

[Audioboxer]

No doubt this will bomb down to £20-£25 a week after release, but I couldn't help myself with that pre-order SE at £36.85.

Demons Souls is the only platinum I have.

 

[bucklam66]

Yes please!

 

[Amir0x]

There's basically no storytelling elements in Dark Souls: most of dialogues and all are there to build a world, with their myths, gods, demons, etc...

There's is no character development, plot (which is as simple and basic as, destroy the evil and bring back world peace), morality or anything that should be taken into consideration beyond of what the game is simply offering you: a world for the player to inmerse himself.

Demon souls is basically the opposite of, for example a game like ICO (which shares the same importance of visual elements and lack of cutscenes), where the world is basically an excuse to show the relationship and they increasing bond between two characters.

But somehow liking its atmosphere and music is akin to endorsing videogame stories.

Shhh, shhh. Let them be. We would have less comedy gold on GAF if we didn't let them be

 

[Deleted member 81567]

I still have to play Demon's Souls. I don't know if should though; the rage induced might cause me to hate Dark Souls :-/ . Looks impeccable nonetheless.

 

[Cloudius12]

Congratulations, great knight! You have proven yourself worthy by arranging the glyphs in the correct order.

For your perseverance, you are awarded this Key that will unlock a well-earned advantage during your journey toward reclaiming your soul. <26 digit number>

Keep this Key safe, as it may only be used once.

Take heed to not become overconfident, for even the mightiest warrior can be brought to his knees.
Onward to battle!

Dark Souls

From the puzzle

Directions to beat the puzzle found on another forum:

Spoiler

Using Chrome
Go to developer tools
Go to console tab type "mg" in console and press enter
One object will show up, open object, open settings, open solveKeys
Copy those keys to notepad
Go to elements tab in tool
Type gly-# in search
Hover over element it selects - element will also be highlighted on the page
Click that glyph on the page
Repeat for all 30 keys

 

[Zeliard]

There's basically no storytelling elements in Dark Souls: most of dialogues and all are there to build a world, with their myths, gods, demons, etc...

There's is no character development, plot (which is as simple and basic as, destroy the evil and bring back world peace), morality or anything that should be taken into consideration beyond of what the game is simply offering you: a world for the player to inmerse himself.

Those aren't the only elements of storytelling, though. He's right that Demon's Souls heavily emphasizes visual storytelling. Each zone is distinct but the whole is still cohesive and, along with the enemies you fight (especially some of the bosses), ends up giving the player a very vivid picture of Boletaria and the state it's in.

What Demon's Souls didn't do was hammer home the plot. It's relatively simple stuff you can get some more info on by chatting to some characters, but the game's main purpose as a story was to get across how foreboding and harsh the world you're in is. And that played directly into the gameplay. In that sense, the storytelling was powerful and highly effective.

From what we've heard, it sure seems like it.

Game honestly sounds perfect so far.

 

[Chakan]

Hello Dark Souls, good bye social life. It was fun.

 

[Jarmel]

I don't see a LE on Amazon. Are they just waiting to put it up or is that bundle in the OP, the EU exclusive.

 

[Mortrialus]

There's basically no storytelling elements in Dark Souls: most of dialogues and all are there to build a world, with their myths, gods, demons, etc...

To say there are no storytelling elements in Demon's Souls is just objectively wrong. There is much more to story telling, visual storytelling in particular, than just the writing, themes and the plot. You mention that the game is just a world to immerse yourself in, but how do you think they went about building that world? It was through the visual storytelling elements like the focus on atmosphere, art style, technical presentation, and music. Heck even aspects of the gameplay are elements to story telling. Your character isn't bouncing off of walls, tearing through enemies like they're nothing like in Devil May Cry. He's very grounded and his movements and combat are comparatively more realistic, more realistic than most games.

Now there is very little plot, no character development from what I've seen, and no obvious themes, but the other storytelling elements are are crucial for making Demon's Souls such a fantastic experience. If the team went out of their way to remove as many aspects of storytelling as possible just to make way for the game play, what would be left would be a completely mute game with wire frame characters, enemies and levels.

 

[Zeal]

all i gotta say is someone should start working on the official thread now. make it the stuff of legends, as it deserves.

 

[Captain Pants]

From the puzzle

Awesome!

 

[RedSwirl]

So the CE and SE are the same price? Or is the SE $49.99 or something?

And the Demon's Souls servers will go down around the time Dark Souls comes out right?

 

[Audioboxer]

From the puzzle

Directions to beat the puzzle found on another forum:

Spoiler

Using Chrome
Go to developer tools
Go to console tab type "mg" in console and press enter
One object will show up, open object, open settings, open solveKeys
Copy those keys to notepad
Go to elements tab in tool
Type gly-# in search
Hover over element it selects - element will also be highlighted on the page
Click that glyph on the page
Repeat for all 30 keys

There doesn't happen to be Firefox instructions? Thanks

 

[Cloudius12]

There doesn't happen to be Firefox instructions? Thanks

iirc i think you can do the same with Firebug plugin.

Yep just tried it, very similar with exception inputting into the console.

 

[Angry Fork]

I hope there's a lower difficulty option, just for those that need it. I loved Demons Souls gameplay but I just don't have the time unfortunately to spend hours dying over and over because of random mistakes here and there.

 

[Zeal]

I hope there's a lower difficulty option, just for those that need it. I loved Demons Souls gameplay but I just don't have the time unfortunately to spend hours dying over and over because of random mistakes here and there.

then this game is not for you.

 

[Zeliard]

I hear Ninja Theory is developing a Devil May Cry, Angry Fork. Might be something worth looking into.

 

[pantyhelmet]

Those aren't the only elements of storytelling, though. He's right that Demon's Souls heavily emphasizes visual storytelling. Each zone is distinct but the whole is still cohesive and, along with the enemies you fight (especially some of the bosses), ends up giving the player a very vivid picture of Boletaria and the state it's in.

What Demon's Souls didn't do was hammer home the plot. It's relatively simple stuff you can get some more info on by chatting to some characters, but the game's main purpose as a story was to get across how foreboding and harsh the world you're in is. And that played directly into the gameplay. In that sense, the storytelling was powerful and highly effective.



Game honestly sounds perfect so far.

highly agreed.

 

[Angry Fork]

then this game is not for you.

Disagree. Loved Demons Souls, gameplay was terrific, worlds were very interesting, and the challenge was rewarding until things got tedious. I'd just like an option to tone down the difficulty so it's not such a time sink on some levels.

 

[Amir0x]

I hope there's a lower difficulty option, just for those that need it. I loved Demons Souls gameplay but I just don't have the time unfortunately to spend hours dying over and over because of random mistakes here and there.

no mistakes are random. a lack of skill only seems random to those who lack the patience to apply themselves ;P

Demon's Souls is only hard if you try to play it like any ol' hack and slash, running through arbitrarily picking targets and trying to gank them to death.

Demon's Souls is about methodical observation of your surroundings, careful selection of your targets, ensuring you are not put into a situation where you can overwhelmed or outnumbered. Ensuring you are intoned enough with your character level and abilities to know which enemies he can currently take on and which he can't.

It's really not that hard. I died only when I was rushing and therefore missing obvious indicators or messages of traps or ambushes or difficult enemies, or on two particularly difficult bosses where my skill simply was not prepared for their onslaught (fuck you Maneaters!!!)

Anyway there are not difficulty levels but they have a campfires system in place that should make life easier for you.

 

[MYE]

Holy shit at

EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fuck dat!!!! º___________º

 

[Teknoman]

All that for the usual price? Daaaaaaaamn.

 

[soldat7]

I'd just like an option to tone down the difficulty so it's not such a time sink on some levels.

You'd be cutting out the heart of what makes it so great.

 

[MMaRsu]

Meh. First game just like this game will be niche games for people to brag about how they beat it even though 90% of them will use a guide or look up crap when they are stuck.

Haha wow, such sour grapes. Got your ass beat by the first boss then?

 

[RustyNails]

Biorrlaughs), then
Biorr: *runs repeatedly into an angry fire breathing dragon blocking an entrance to the castle and dies*

Fixed.

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