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Dawn Of War 2 Confirmed! The Immortal Emperor Be Praised!
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Minsc
Gold Member
Dawn of War was the game that got me back in to RTS gaming. Since DoW 2 will have significantly steeper requirements to play maxed @1920x1200 than Starcraft2, my new computer will be built to handle this game now.
Gives me another 1 1/2 years to save up too, which is good as I don't think playing this game maxed out will come cheap.
Gives me another 1 1/2 years to save up too, which is good as I don't think playing this game maxed out will come cheap.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Great sounding info. I hope the campaign mode that started in DC and got kind of jacked up in SS gets overhauled in this new game. No persistent armies/bases breaks a lot of the point in playing it for me.
Fragamemnon said:I like to think that they do two different things really well.
*) Blizzard does single-player campaigns very, very well. Relic is not so good in comparison.
*) Blizzard does e-sport level balancing very, very well. Relic is actually pretty bad in comparison, though have gotten progressively better since DoWC came out in 2006.
*) Relic has superior core RTS mechanics and more innovative, fresher gameplay.
No.
I don't really like the "reinforce units on the fly" gameplay. CoH does that so much better.
Also, this game is totally missing resource managing and exing, no "okay, get some Hydras, safe, make an expansion at 12' and carfully protect until you have new income".
DoW is make scouts, take strat points, build listening post, chaaaarge!! And then it's mostly non stop fighting, with some choice teching until one can secure two of his oponents strategic points and crush him with force.
It's fun but for me, Starcraft is the better game. (except the UI is old, my main reason to look forward to SC2 together with new graphics).
TemplaerDude
Member
FoxSpirit said:
i think you're playing it wrong.
TemplaerDude said:
Let me see.... build Scouts. Check. Capture strategic point. check.
Now, Build barracks for marines or listening post? I opt for listening post.
Secure a forward strategic point before a choke. A 2nd scout team is always helpful too.
Am I doing something wrong so far?
TemplaerDude
Member
FoxSpirit said:
yea you're playing against easy on skirmish. play against people.
FoxSpirit said:
Nope.
DoW's bigest problem IMO is that it was so fucking easy. I'm no expert in RTS games but still the enemy didn't manage to defeat me, not even once. Listining post with good defense was key to victory and it was way too easy to optain those points. If the AI would have been more agressive then it would been interesting but no
.Still the story was interesting and the overall setting is just awesome so it's still good game.
Good RTS game must have both, good single player campaign and good multiplayer game. DoW didn't have the first one
.Well okay it was good but it was not challenging. It took me only one day to play the whole game through.
And all people don't enjoy online play.
MidiSurf said:Nope.
DoW's bigest problem IMO is that it was so fucking easy. I'm no expert in RTS games but still the enemy didn't manage to defeat me, not even once. Listining post with good defense was key to victory and it was way too easy to optain those points. If the AI would have been more agressive then it would been interesting but no
Still the story was interesting and the overall setting is just awesome so it's still good game.
Good RTS game must have both, good single player campaign and good multiplayer game. DoW didn't have the first one
Well okay it was good but it was not challenging. It took me only one day to play the whole game through.
And all people don't enjoy online play.
The campaign sucks. But you can download an excellent mod for Dark Crusade that greatly increases the enemy AI in Skirmish (and I mean greatly, it's a night and day difference). If you want I can post the links.
On topic: This is great news, yet it seems they've literally gone overboard with the graphics, which means I probably won't get to play it, because my laptop will be a year old by the time this comes out (if it comes out this year). I do wish they'd learn from Blizzard and reach out to the larger userbase.
FoxSpirit said:
You're kidding right? If you don't have a barracks, my Chaos Lord will destroy you're base. Or if you're really unlucky you'll be facing Tau, and the Vespid / Tau Commander rush will tear you're listining posts apart before you can blink.
The first thing you build is a barracks and then you either build a Force Commander or Marine squads.
Xapati said:
Okay, thanks... but that's my point still. It's build order.
There's no exing... and I still don't like the produce on the fly feature.
I won't deny DoW is a great game (with a campaign that lets me down)... but it doesn't "click" with me.
Don't worry, I WILL buy DoW2, I mean Nids... Nids!!! Also great graphics, gore etc.
But I don't see me playing on any remotely serious level.
Still, many thanks for the tips
lastendconductor
Put your snobby liquids into my mouth!
Holy shit, I'm fucking hyped! this game is going to be the best RTS ever* I joke you not!
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if it has tyranids
Minsc
Gold Member
Damn you people complaining about the AI.
Dawn of Skirmish AI mod will not only shut your mouth, it'll lift it across your face over to your ass!
Also, if you don't like playing people, don't worry, that mod is better than people when you set it to the higher levels. It will slaughter you. And laugh.
Finally, the original DoW campaign was AWESOME. Just AWESOME.
Dawn of Skirmish AI mod will not only shut your mouth, it'll lift it across your face over to your ass!
Also, if you don't like playing people, don't worry, that mod is better than people when you set it to the higher levels. It will slaughter you. And laugh.
Finally, the original DoW campaign was AWESOME. Just AWESOME.
NinajHeartless
Member
SupahBlah said:ER WE GO ER WE GO ER WE GO
Holy shit this game better have rokkin orkz or no sale
KyanMehwulfe
Member
A large scale WH40K Epic game would be bad ass.MidiSurf said:They should make Homeworld like game but it should be about this -->
p.s. Orkz is best.
TemplaerDude
Member
KyanMehwulfe said:
tyranids eat orkz for breakfast.
TemplaerDude
Member
iapetus said:
they eat those skinny dark eldar twats. hive knows there's no meat on them.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Odd that there will only be 6 units when I thought the reason Nids were never in the first was due to the fact the engine could cope with enough of them to do the race justice? I guess the units could be pretty massive...
Fragamemnon
Member
KyanMehwulfe said:
Warhammer 40K: Total War would be insane, too bad Sega owns CA.
GenericPseudonym
Banned
dTau said:
Sure, keep thinking that.
Druz
Member
Fragamemnon said:I like to think that they do two different things really well.
*) Blizzard does single-player campaigns very, very well. Relic is not so good in comparison.
*) Blizzard does e-sport level balancing very, very well. Relic is actually pretty bad in comparison, though have gotten progressively better since DoW
*) Relic has superior core RTS mechanics and more innovative, fresher gameplay.
I would argue Relic has a bigger challenge balancing COH than the relatively safe rock paper scissor blizzard games. FANBOY ARGUEMENT COMMENCE.
FoxSpirit said:Okay, thanks... but that's my point still. It's build order.
There's no exing... and I still don't like the produce on the fly feature.
I won't deny DoW is a great game (with a campaign that lets me down)... but it doesn't "click" with me.
Don't worry, I WILL buy DoW2, I mean Nids... Nids!!! Also great graphics, gore etc.
But I don't see me playing on any remotely serious level.
Still, many thanks for the tips
Not sure what you mean by exing...
But if you think that there is one true build order for DOW then you are sadly mistaken. In just your example, if I'm going to start up a harassment strategy then I would not build a barracks and instead crank out an armory and 4 sets of scout, research sniper rifles and go builder hunting. Which is totally different from your "vanilla" opener. You could save your money and try to quickly tech to vehicles or melta-bomb equiped assault marines. All four of these options will demand different micro-management styles, different upgrades, necessitate the usage of different geographical features, etc.
No "traditional" RTS game will ever come close to CoH, IMO.ghst said:
The question is, will DoW2 be a traditional RTS game like the first game? If so, I don't really care about it, but the info sounds like it may lean more towards CoH-style gameplay (*fingers crossed*).
-when units are in melee, pieces of battle armor can be chopped off in the action
Should that be "bits of flesh can be chopped off in the action"?
Does Relic have two big development teams? I really hope CoH2 is in the works.
DubloSeven
Member
All my dicks are cumming.
Fragamemnon said:I like to think that they do two different things really well.
*) Blizzard does single-player campaigns very, very well. Relic is not so good in comparison.
*) Blizzard does e-sport level balancing very, very well. Relic is actually pretty bad in comparison, though have gotten progressively better since DoW
*) Relic has superior core RTS mechanics and more innovative, fresher gameplay.
Superior core RTS mechanics, no no no.
All the rest, sure.
Minsc
Gold Member
Decado said:
If every RTS were like CoH, they'd be boring. Let them be unique, DoW is different from the others, but you're certainly titled to your opinion, I know I have mine
Either way, DoW 2 does sound different than the first. I'm curious to see screens and also videos. Check out the two points above that one... the bit about over the top animations, yeah. Fear not, limbs will be flying.
TemplaerDude
Member
WARCOCK said:
oh right because rock paper scissors is just the be all end all rts design.