Boy Wander
Member
Reading the OP is like reading a post from someone with a split personality. Freshest game since forever. Fuck this game I'm done with it. GOTY.
I agree they should be more flexible in this regard.
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Dear Splatoon, stop forcing game modes on me that I don't want to play!
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chronic_archaic
Member
Population isn't a concern, really. Shooters with excessive playlists will always have ones that become dead, but having only three isn't going to make it impossible to matchmake. Besides, generally the dead playlists are the ones nobody likes. I had the complaint with Smash. Why are there so few matchmaking options?
Punished_Snake
Member
Rainmaker is fun, give it more matches/time and you will like it. But I agree, everyone should have the ability to select which mode he/she wants to play.
lol, nah it's not
One ranked mode. the easiest one, becoming more popular than others will just kill all of the weapons and gear diversity we see now. But I guess is more important to get that rank than anything else.
Edit: I think they should shorten the rotation time, though, maybe to 2 hours. It would make it easier for people who hate one mode or one map.
Edit: I think they should shorten the rotation time, though, maybe to 2 hours. It would make it easier for people who hate one mode or one map.
lyrick
Member
Remember when Titanfall [PC] just removed [direct selection to] multiplayer modes [Capture the Flag, Pilot Hunter] because wait times were too high due to other modes cannibalizing the player base.
Search for other "no Wii U friends" players, create a team, coordinate through Teamspeak/skype etc... : all modes / maps / play styles become good & enjoyable challenges. Every day I play friendly sessions with at least 5 to 7 other players (French) and we're a group of 20+. Hey, even my son comes to play with us. And when we feel it, we go to play some team ranked matches to use what we (think we) learned in our private sessions.
What I'm missing and wouldn't be surprised to see in a future update, is a spectator mode and a tournament mode. And I'd also like the 4 hours rotation to be only 3 hours.
What I'm missing and wouldn't be surprised to see in a future update, is a spectator mode and a tournament mode. And I'd also like the 4 hours rotation to be only 3 hours.
Leafhopper
Banned
You are playing Splatoon.
But sure picking the modes you would like to play would be ideal.
Vital Tundra
Member
I like it the way it is. I just want them to add the 3rd map to the rotation. Maybe they are just waiting to release a few more maps before they add it. This way keeps the playbase from dwindling in certain game modes. Remember how everyone just played NukeTown and bull crap like that. With this system, that doesn't happen.
I just hope at some point they change the rotation of maps and modes to 1 hour with 3 levels in rotation. Its been a pretty long while since the game came out, we know the maps well enough Nintendo.
I just hope at some point they change the rotation of maps and modes to 1 hour with 3 levels in rotation. Its been a pretty long while since the game came out, we know the maps well enough Nintendo.
What
Last time the Splatoon GAF community tried to vote for their least favorite map, Arowana Mall won by an overwhelming majority. Moray Towers wasn't even close.
stan423321
Member
They are designing the game with future and minorities in mind. Again, the particular implementation is quite draconian. But the reasoning is clear.
That was due to many factors, and not just that there were too many modes. For one, it locked players into certain servers. Like you had to select if you were searching for US West, US East, Oceania, Europe etc. before you started matchmaking. That right there splits the player base tremendously. Also, the wait time for a match in Titanfall was 90 seconds. So if you waited 70 seconds, and someone left, you have to wait 90 more seconds. Plus the PC version of Titanfall did not run well, and was Origin only. Having too many modes was not the issue.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand a word of this post. Minorities? And what is the reasoning again?
SoundPulse
Banned
That was after the playerbase had already begun declining, yeah?
If a mode can't sustain a playlist, there's a reason for it. That could be the mode itself being unpopular or a larger problem with how the developer's handling the playlists. I'm optimistic enough that Splatoon's playerbase could handle either a couple of new playlists or a veto system.
Razzorn34
Member
Most people don't have modes they completely hate. But, they do prefer one over another of course. All of the modes are fun in their own way. Plus, it encourages getting out of your comfort zone and mixing up weapon choice. Sure, some people will be pissed and just not play if their favorite game mode isn't up. But, most people who love ranked just roll with it, which is what they are counting on. This way, there are always people ready to play.
I like everything but Splat Zones myself. If it's up, I just play Turf War. Nothing lost.
This guy gets it
I too would like to be able to select game mode, but I dunno if that would really benefit the community of the game in the long term.
Having that said... at first my experience was similar to OP. And I was starting to hate rainmaker.. until I changed weapon.
Honestly you only need to find the one that suit you most. I have one prefered weapon for each mode now.
Each mode is a blast.
Having that said... at first my experience was similar to OP. And I was starting to hate rainmaker.. until I changed weapon.
Honestly you only need to find the one that suit you most. I have one prefered weapon for each mode now.
Each mode is a blast.
apieceofstrange
Member
The rotation has got me to try modes I probably wouldn't have bothered with otherwise. It would be nice to have more choice, but the trade off would be longer wait times between matches. It's actually pretty awesome how you can jump on and start playing nearly instantly with very little downtime between matches.
That being said, I do think the map rotation should be upped. Even adding a 3rd map to the mix would make a world of difference at this point. With the current rotation, sometimes you end up playing the same map several times in a row and it can get old. Now that there are a decent number of maps, I'm not sure why they are holding back.
Also, I for one love Moray Towers! Come to think of it, I don't think I dislike any of the maps in this game.
That being said, I do think the map rotation should be upped. Even adding a 3rd map to the mix would make a world of difference at this point. With the current rotation, sometimes you end up playing the same map several times in a row and it can get old. Now that there are a decent number of maps, I'm not sure why they are holding back.
Also, I for one love Moray Towers! Come to think of it, I don't think I dislike any of the maps in this game.
2 hour rotation plz and 3 maps
but otherwise nah man. There was a period today where as a 2-man squad we were having trouble finding matchups. Playerbase split in random would be horrendous. Yanks already complaining about the overload of Japanese players at all times of day. Imagine no players.
Also all the modes are fun as hell. Switch up your weapon type
and give it a go.
but otherwise nah man. There was a period today where as a 2-man squad we were having trouble finding matchups. Playerbase split in random would be horrendous. Yanks already complaining about the overload of Japanese players at all times of day. Imagine no players.
Also all the modes are fun as hell. Switch up your weapon type
or git gud
brickwalker0
Member
except the part where you pick a charger because, as you said, it is good on Moray Towers but woops you didn't get that map, you got the other one.
the base game is incredible and i still play it almost daily but it has some serious balance issues mainly due to the lack of control you have over map choice and modes. combine that with the fact you cant change your weapon between battles (while staying with the same group) which eliminates counter play.
agreed, 2 hour rotation would be a welcome change. I feel like 1 hour would be way too short and 4 hours is way too long. 2 hours seems perfect.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Just need to add the 3rd map to the rotation and maybe shorten it up. I hate splatzones so nothing is lost for me there.
Why not have map voting ala MK8? It works there. And why FORCE yourself to get good at a mode you don't like? Who cares? Just play what you like and get good at that. The game modes are designed in such a way that it forces you to switch up your gear anyways. What you have equipped in turf wars may be ill suited for tower control.
The only reason map rotation is in the game is because Nintendo believes it will increase the longevity of the game. They want people to log in every day to see what's new. It encourages people to play right then and there because who knows when the next time you'll see Saltspray Rig in Tower Control again. Or if there's an expensive shirt you want, you gotta play to grind up the gold to buy it because it disappears the next day. Nintendo believes it keeps people playing, which will help sales because no one would buy a multiplayer shooter with a dead community. Maybe they will start selling DLC down the line, so they need a healthy player base if they want to make cash. On the flip side, you could argue that these features really have a negligible effect on players, or that they in fact turn many people off and force them to stop playing. It's really difficult to tell precisely. Splatoon has done very well, but is it because of the map rotation method, in spite of it, or does it even matter?
bargeparty
Member
Won't make a difference because it will just keep playing 1 map over and over anyway.
Candescence
Member
Honestly? I can get behind the idea of forced rotations (and the reasoning is obvious, what with other MP shooter communities generally converging on a single map/game mode over time and sometimes even abandoning certain maps together, such as Hydro in TF2), just give us a third map and 2 hour rotations. I don't really binge aside from Splatfest, so the maps don't really get old anyway.
Of course, I'm one of those guys who still sticks with the Splattershot Jr. due to being a great all-round weapon for pretty much any game mode, along with the Bubbler (which has a criminally low weapon loadout inclusion count, the rest of the weapons that use it are somewhat more specialized). I wish there was a hero reskin for the Jr.
Of course, I'm one of those guys who still sticks with the Splattershot Jr. due to being a great all-round weapon for pretty much any game mode, along with the Bubbler (which has a criminally low weapon loadout inclusion count, the rest of the weapons that use it are somewhat more specialized). I wish there was a hero reskin for the Jr.
Jap, add in 3 Maps, and we're golden.
There are enough Maps now for are triple Rotation.
Also: Bluefin Depot is the worst map ever. Fucking random water everywhere.
Mihos
Gold Member
Man, just reading that makes me want to play another game. If I am going to boot something up to run teamspeak or skype, I will just play a game on that system.
You will play what you get and you will like it dammit.
The rotation is kind of cool and annoying at the same time. Fun in the sense it feels like daily event than just another round of MP but yeah I feel ya. Still love that damn game even though I think some of the hit detection is off. I could swear the hit box varies or there is some level of latency at times.
The rotation is kind of cool and annoying at the same time. Fun in the sense it feels like daily event than just another round of MP but yeah I feel ya. Still love that damn game even though I think some of the hit detection is off. I could swear the hit box varies or there is some level of latency at times.
I probably just suck
I actually don't want a 3-map rotation. having played 3 splatfests now I don't like how it waters down what weapon set you pick. unless they add in the option to see which map you're going to next and give you the option to change gear with that knowledge I'd prefer it kept at 2 maps. at least for turf wars.
Windom Earle
Banned
There is a reason it gets banned from pretty much every Ink or Sink tournament match... I am mostly following the Twitch community though, MT is very much on the most hated list there. (Also note that I am talking about ranked, not Turf Wars.)
Glad to see that I am not the only one feeling this problem with the game though. Nintendo, please stop fucking up your amazing game!
MrSaturn99
Member
Well, I think they sho-BREAKING NEWS: LET'S GO LIVE TO CALLIE AND MARIE IN THE STUDIO WAHWAHWAWAWAWAAAAAAH
I can't believe they haven't done anything about this, lol
this post is Real G certified
The Last Wizard
Member
The defense force for this game is so funny, the op has some good points. It's one of the reason I stopped playing, the 4 hour rotation is horrible.
SoundPulse
Banned
Yeah. "Weapon variety!" only really works in a game where you don't have a weapon like the RG. It's not the hands-down best, but it works well enough as Splatoon's jack-of-all-trades weapon.
I hope they never do. I understand that it's annoying and there's probably a better way to do it (maybe just scrolling text on the bottom of the screen), but it kinda contributes to the atmosphere and world-building of the game. It makes even the most mundane things seem like a big event.
Windom Earle
Banned
People still think that Aerospray is OP? GAF pls.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Absolutely. Players shouldn't be forced into game modes to keep them artificially active.
lol "defense force"
also you alluded to it yourself, "the OP has some good points". yes, yes he does. however as you yourself hinted at he also has some bad points which are being discussed.
no, this is a running joke ;p
agreed. also just for kicks I timed myself spamming the A-button to get through the news segment. takes like 10 seconds. annoying for some, maybe, but hardly overbearing enough to warrant a full removal. the real solution is for them to add even more puns.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
"best and freshest shooter since forever." -> complains about something that's basically a modified version of the same playlist complaint people have been making about every shooter in the last 5-ish years ("why don't playlists include dlc maps", "why do playlists online include dlc maps", "why don't playlists include my fav mode")
On my smartphone ;]
Not a big deal about TS and well, I aslo play games on other systems, just not Splatoon...
Windom Earle
Banned
Granted, I am not playing many shooters these days, but I don't remember ever being force-fed game modes?
Tbh the weird thing about the announcements is how useless they are lol. They don't even tell you what mode is running in ranked. I mean I'm gonna check in the lobby anyway, but still.
Conversely, it counters human inertial tendencies to avoid unknowns or difficulties, which is usually the bigger cause of a lack of variety than "X is better than Y".
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Exactly. There's a reason why modes and maps go barren.
It's mind boggling to me that gamers happily accept letting a publisher decide what they can play.
Maybe future consoles will keep your digital purchases locked down, and the hardware manufacturer can decide which two games you are allowed to play each day. I guarantee it will be defended with now "I'm forced to Play games that might've gone in the backlog".
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