orthodoxy1095
Banned
There has to be a happy medium between A) Not encouraging players to try new things and B) Forcing them to try new things.
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Dear Splatoon, stop forcing game modes on me that I don't want to play!
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Supermanisdead
Member
I think Nintendo just doesn't know how to do that.
SatoAilDarko
Member
The rotation of ranked modes feels like it was done for two related reasons.
1. So that you would be more likely to play modes you may not be interested in. After actually playing them for a time maybe people with initial negative opinions will come to enjoy them.
2. If all three modes were available players would flock to one or two modes in particular. As matches in the less pop modes would take longer to populate more and more players would migrate to the popular modes instead of dealing with the wait. Exasperating the problem.
There have been multiple examples of shooters who really only have Team Deathmatch as a mode with people playing.
With that said Splatoon has most likely greatly surpassed the initial expectations of sales and thus player population.
The game could probably supposed have two ranked play lists with two random modes.
1. So that you would be more likely to play modes you may not be interested in. After actually playing them for a time maybe people with initial negative opinions will come to enjoy them.
2. If all three modes were available players would flock to one or two modes in particular. As matches in the less pop modes would take longer to populate more and more players would migrate to the popular modes instead of dealing with the wait. Exasperating the problem.
There have been multiple examples of shooters who really only have Team Deathmatch as a mode with people playing.
With that said Splatoon has most likely greatly surpassed the initial expectations of sales and thus player population.
The game could probably supposed have two ranked play lists with two random modes.
It's not OP, but I can't deny that it's a strong Weapon. I won so much after switching from the Roller to the Aerospray
I think it kinda help with the relatively stable and speedy match making. No waiting for wishy-washy people. That's how it works with MK8.
So what if people could chose and the mode you like is barren? You will still be here complaining. You can't have it both ways.
At least with this way modes will always have players no matter the popularity.
The unfortunate truth is that the population is low compared to other shooters.
This is the best for the health of the playerbase.
SweetDonuts
Member
My hate for Tower Control makes me agree with you op
Tyrant Rave
Banned
I get why they do the mode rotation thing in ranked but I wish they would let us matchmake with friends for Turf War. Splatzone sucks.
Razzorn34
Member
It's the games easy mode weapon. It requires next to no skill to be decent with. There's no problem with that. But, you will definitely be more effective after learning the intricacies of other weapons.
Yeah I didn't care that much of the rotation before. But now that rainmaker released it's pretty annoying not being able to play that mode until the game wants. Saturday I was all pumped enjoying a rainmaker match when suddenly the freaking "Breaking news let's go back to the studio" window appeared and when I came back to ranked battles, Rainmaker was not available anymore. And I said this because the other two modes are now too boring compared to Rainmaker imo 
Sarcasm? That's a major point of this kind of online gaming. You pick the gear and weapons you like, the mode you feel like playing at any given time and the maps you have the most fun in. This is a normal part of video game interactivity. Nothing about that is selfish.
Ever since Tower Control and the growing number of maps, my interest in Splatoon has decreased that I have not even checked out some of the new content. I can only play after work hours which means I don't see certain maps and certain modes for days, or weeks at a time if I take breaks from playing. I don't consider this setup a plus just because it supposedly unifies the playerbase. Frankly I don't believe that excuse holds any water. This game is very popular and I can see thousands in each game mode/map until people move on to Splatoon 2 on Nintendo's next platform. I bet even after a sequel there will still be a sizable community playing the older game.
At the very least the map count should be upped to 3 or 4 and the rotation should be reduced to preferably an hour, two at the absolute most. Each game is only a few minutes so you would plenty of time with plenty of variety in that hour or so. Two maps on a mode I may not like for FOUR hours? Who's seriously fine with being stuck playing the same map for roughly ten games in a row with the other map maybe appearing once or twice? No exaggeration, this has happened to me multiple times.
I have several loadouts with no problems switching, so that's irrelevant to the nature of my complaints.
Jawmuncher
Member
The answer of "Get friends OP and play in private" is the worst.
Seth Enosh
Member
Totally disagree with increasing the map count in rotation as long as the current equip system stays the same.
It would be nice to have playlists for all 3 ranked game modes. It seems like Nintendo doesn't think the online population can support it. This game has sold well but maybe a lot of the buyers are blue ocean casuals who don't put in a dozen hours+ a week, or maybe most players are actually just in Turf Wars and stay away from Ranked mode? My friend who has splatoon plays a lot and even streams, but is still a C- in ranked because of only playing turf wars, I wonder how many others there are like that.
When destiny came out i was also puzzled how modes like salvage were timed events rather than being regularly available, that game sold very, very well and yet bungie still didn't seem to trust that enough players would be available to support more than 5 playlists at a time.
It would be nice to have playlists for all 3 ranked game modes. It seems like Nintendo doesn't think the online population can support it. This game has sold well but maybe a lot of the buyers are blue ocean casuals who don't put in a dozen hours+ a week, or maybe most players are actually just in Turf Wars and stay away from Ranked mode? My friend who has splatoon plays a lot and even streams, but is still a C- in ranked because of only playing turf wars, I wonder how many others there are like that.
When destiny came out i was also puzzled how modes like salvage were timed events rather than being regularly available, that game sold very, very well and yet bungie still didn't seem to trust that enough players would be available to support more than 5 playlists at a time.
Splatoon is really fun but there are major problems in the way the multiplayer is set up, and people are quick to write these off as 'Nintendo quirks'.
-We should be able to change loadouts before a match (or even in a match).
-More maps in rotation at a time. A lot of the times the same map gets picked multiple times in a row, it doesn't switch every round. The maps have a lot of replay value sure, but after playing one map 3 times in a row I get tired of it. If there were more maps in a rotation I would probably play Splatoon for longer at a time and more often.
-I think at least one more matchmaking playlist could be supported. Or if we could change loadouts then they could have multiple game modes to swap between in one playlist.
-We should be able to change loadouts before a match (or even in a match).
-More maps in rotation at a time. A lot of the times the same map gets picked multiple times in a row, it doesn't switch every round. The maps have a lot of replay value sure, but after playing one map 3 times in a row I get tired of it. If there were more maps in a rotation I would probably play Splatoon for longer at a time and more often.
-I think at least one more matchmaking playlist could be supported. Or if we could change loadouts then they could have multiple game modes to swap between in one playlist.
You can change equipment in squads. It is not ideal but just the DIscord channel and squad up.
You really want people to change loadouts during matches? I would be pissed as hell if we have 3 people on the map because you are busy changing your loadout. Matches are 3-5 minutes on average.
Ye we need 3 map rotation
You dont want to spread the userbase too thin with a lot of modes/playlist, we already have turf war, ranked, squads 4 and squad 2, and private.
One of the best things about splatoon is no waiting. Just join and play in a few seconds. I can't say that about other shooters. There is very little downtime.
I dont like the ranked mode rotation either but I do understand why they are doing it
But the map rotation I really dont like, why can it just randomly pick 2 maps before every match and the lobby votes on which to play on, and then let us change our loadouts without backing out so problem solved
But the map rotation I really dont like, why can it just randomly pick 2 maps before every match and the lobby votes on which to play on, and then let us change our loadouts without backing out so problem solved
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
I thought roller was the "easy mode."
Is there a degree of snootyness with weapons that I'm not aware of?
pinkurocket
Member
It's possible in a squad, it could be possible in a random. The only thing that would change is that every player needs to 'ready up' before the match can begin, perhaps they want the random matches to start as fast as possible without someone not pressing A making everyone wait.
toadsworth
Banned
I really hope that Splatoon comes out on their next home console with a completely revamped online experience. It could be the best TPS multiplayer experience but as it is right now, it is completely hindered by nintendos bass ackwards online ideology.
Cite some examples in this game that are "bass ackwards online ideology".
Many gave reason why Nintendo didn't do it that way.
Sword Of Doom
Member
As a soon to be Wii U and splatoon owner that does sound troubling. I think the OP has a point and wouldn't go through the trouble of making a thread if it didn't bother them. Choice is always good and the game is popular enough where this shouldn't be necessary.
Lights and Waves
Member
I agree with the OP.
Saint Gregory
Member
This is the same Nintendo that has messages popping up in single player games asking you to take a break :/
For whatever weird reason Nintendo doesn't like the idea of players sitting in front of their games 24/7. I get around this personally by jumping in and out of Splatoon in the middle of their map/mode rotations (8PM-12AM usually) so that way I get a personal 2 hour rotation and usually see 8 maps if I'm lucky across the modes.
For whatever weird reason Nintendo doesn't like the idea of players sitting in front of their games 24/7. I get around this personally by jumping in and out of Splatoon in the middle of their map/mode rotations (8PM-12AM usually) so that way I get a personal 2 hour rotation and usually see 8 maps if I'm lucky across the modes.
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Deleted member 752119
Unconfirmed Member
Yep. It sucks as has limited my continued interest in the game as well. But it's just a consequence of being on a failed (sales wise) console.
Hopefully the NX sales a lot more and there's a lot bigger player base for a sequel.
Though I guess they could just make the ranked playlist shuffle all modes and maps randomly without splitting the base. I'd actually love that as I get tired of playing one mode after a few matches.
1. It would be okay if you could switch between a selection of 3-5 'favorites' between lives.
2. Even just a second unranked mode with a variety of non turf war modes would be good.
toadsworth
Banned
My biggest gripe is the lack of a party system or any sort of in game chat with friends. The gamepad has a speaker and a microphone on it you wouldn't even need to purchase a headset. Whenever I play wii u games online with friends we don't speak to each other at all, its silly.
The map rotation system and forced game modes are other examples as well. Not being able to switch weapons in the lobby makes no sense. I understand Nintendo's decisions behind it, but I think it negatively affects the enjoyment of this amazing game.
Saint Gregory
Member
This drove me insane in MK8. One of the reasons I stopped playing was the fact that even with three random choices to pick from somehow we were always racing on the same 3 or 4 tracks every race.I think the idea of gamers know best and should be allowed to pick whatever they like contradicts the constant complaints that everyone's teammates are terrible in solo ranked mode. Why do you want to give all those people the ability to influence the game that you play?
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Do like CoD and allow the player to create multiple profiles with custom loadouts that they can switch between when waiting for a match to start.
But once the match begins that's it, no going back until it's over.
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Deleted member 1235
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well some already gave a shot at explaining it. did you play halo 4 when everyone hated it? all those options lead to miniscule player base really fast.
I'm surprised at you bagging the netcode to be honest, it's been really good for me. not mariokart good and occasionally my eyebrow raises at a lag kill that got me, but it's pretty great. I would like if they did regional by priority under the hood, I guess they were taking a gamble on it so didn't try or something.
I like the focus.
it's mind boggling to me that people like you can't understand the demand (unconscious or otherwise) for 'curated content' deciding what to play feels like a job if you're swamped with options. for people that don't care enough to tune shit, being presented with 'you will like this' and having it be good is relaxing. It probably tickles that part of our brains that likes being served, rather than having to work.
Windom Earle
Banned
Amongst other reasons, roller is one of the best weapons in the game because it is not really hindered by lag and has great one-shot potential.
Aerospray is only good if your opponents are bad at the game which tends to happen in Turf Wars (E.g. just run around instead of defending position which you should do). It gets completely destroyed by the Tentatek and other weapons. Aerospray being OP is a myth from the early days of the game.
And many others gave a shot at explaining why it would not hurt the game. Also you being fine with the laggy netcode tells me you haven't played a lot.
this would actually suck for me haha. the splatfests have made it quite clear that american players aren't as skilled as the other regions.
Supermanisdead
Member
Have to back out of the lobby to change loadouts
No choice on where and what you want to play
No voice communication of any kind
No regional matchmaking
DizzyCaffeine
Member
I'm with you - Splattershot Jr. with the bubbler is all I need.
C.Olimar788
Member
If they made it so that there were multiple types of Ranked Battle with the different game modes it would split the userbase and make it more difficult to find a group for matchmaking. Imagine trying to play Splat Zones right after Rainmaker came out - it just wouldn't work, and it will only become more difficult in the future if/when Splatoon's userbase shrinks.
It's a slightly frustrating decision, but it makes sense, and gives more incentive for you to check in once the four hour rotation is up to see if your favorite game mode is available. The only part of it that I find odd is that they don't specifically say what the Ranked mode available is during the Callie/Mari segment.
It's a slightly frustrating decision, but it makes sense, and gives more incentive for you to check in once the four hour rotation is up to see if your favorite game mode is available. The only part of it that I find odd is that they don't specifically say what the Ranked mode available is during the Callie/Mari segment.
1. I wonder if voice chat would have introduced more lag especially since there is no regional matchmaking. Matchmaking with a friend in japan and using voice chat might make a laggy game. Who knows honestly.
Would like voice chat with friends tho. Strangers is just a definitely no with me. Join the Discord channel for voice chat. We have over 100 Gaffers in there.
2. In random matchmaking switch weapon is pretty easy and quick. It forces you out of the room but it is randoms anyway so no lost there. In squads you can change your weapons without jumping out of the squad.
If the population could handle it, then adding turf wars to squads would be great.
Join the Discord channel for voice chat. We have over 100 Gaffers in there.
deltatheta
Member
I haven't been playing Splatoon even though I really want too because I've been really busy with work. How are they forcing you to play a game mode for four hours? That's unclear. What do you get for playing in the game mode you don't like?
That's just not true. I played Deathmatch in CoD only because trying to play anything else was a lesson in frustration getting players. At some point, I stopped joining other games because there wasn't any point and went to Deathmatch. I'm sure this is true for a lot of other folks, too. If I only have a few minutes I don't want to sit in the queue for 20+ minutes just to find a game. There are lots of people who never touch any other mode but Deathmatch because it's simple and easy to play. I wish CoD would have had something like the Splatoon system except with a shorter rotation time (2 hours instead of 4).
Is this even a thing? I never knew there were those who even cared for that. Playing with the world seemed to always be the most preferred option in other games.
1. Less time between games. Atleast that is one plus. It is a random lobby anyway, is backing out such a big deal?
2. Population issue mostlikely
3. Ye this sucks. Lag could be a reason, stupid people online, who knows.
4. Population issue mostlikely
Turf wars needs to have squads tho.
It is a trickle down effect. After a while I don't even check other modes cause I know they are low.
As someone who has put hundreds of hours into the CODs, I hate deathmatch and never play it, so I'm not sure where you are getting this from, unless you play on a system that has a small COD population.
Omega Kirby
Member
Splat zones is the worst mode.
Windom Earle
Banned
If you want to play Ranked Matches, the game forces you to play 1 out of 3 available game modes for 4 hours. The only option of avoiding this would be playing basic Turf Wars or setting up private lobbies (Where you can't earn points to rank up).
It is one of the most requested features to improve connections. Mario Kart has it too.
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