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[Loki]

Why not post all the other SGs with comparable stats in that position?

Then when you're done, see how few are even close to his pts, assists and boards at that position...

Shall we go to the efficiency rankings? No, I don't think you'd like that...


Ok, let's see...


Kobe's putting up huge rebound/assist #'s this season, and I've always granted that and applauded it. 7.3 rebs and 7 assists/game to go along with 1.32 steals and 1.35 blocks/game. Oh yeah, 26.4 ppg on 39.7% shooting, and 4.67 TO's per game in 43 min/game. Let's contrast:

Lebron James (a second year player whom you constantly deride ):

25.2 ppg on 50.4% shooting, 7.1 rebs, 6.6 assists, 2.4 steals, 1 block and 3.44 TO's per game. In 41.3 min/game.


Dwayne Wade (also a second year player):

24.3 ppg on 52% shooting, 5.6 rebs, 7.3 assists, 1.6 steals, 1.18 blocks, 3.7 TO's in 38.6 min/game.



Based strictly on the #'s, you can't honestly say that you'd rather have Kobe on your team that either of those guys, who are doing more in far fewer minutes, and are more efficient in terms of FG% to boot.

 

[Cloudy]

Shall we go to the efficiency rankings? No, I don't think you'd like that...

Go ahead.


PS: Bron and Wade are not SGs....

 

[Loki]

Go ahead.


PS: Bron and Wade are not SGs....

Wait, wait...lemme get this straight.


You went from comparing Kobe to the greatest player ever (indeed, favorably), to now saying to compare him NOT with the players of today, but ONLY the players today playing at his position, never mind skill sets. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.


What's next 10 games down the road? Comparing him only to 6'6" SG's that have a 1.7" fro, hawk Sprite, and get down with easy white chicks at hotels? TSC TSC. :lol

 

[Cloudy]

I didn't compare him to bigs cos the FG% is supposed to be better, pgs cos they are expected to get a lot of assists and SFs cos they don't have to handle the ball like guards (thus less TOs).

And yeah, I'd take him over Bron or Wade cos he plays defense while carrying the team on his back...

 

[Loki]

I didn't compare him to bigs cos the FG% is supposed to be better, pgs cos they are expected to get a lot of assists and SFs cos they don't have to handle the ball like guards (thus less TOs).

Nice rationalization. So is the FG% supposed to be better for a "PG" averaging 24+ ppg like Wade is? Hmm? :lol

And yeah, I'd take him over Bron or Wade cos he plays defense while carrying the team on his back...

Lebron's steals/game is nearly DOUBLE Kobe's, AND he plays less minutes. Wade's steals AND blocks are higher than the Kobester's, AND he plays FAR fewer minutes. Oh, wait-- it must be that intangible "Kobe is a stopper" defense that disappeared when Snaq left. No behemoth to funnel your man to to get his shot blocked = you getting abused constantly. It looks to be a fun year for Kobe. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets the defensive team nod, however, for absolutely NO reason going by the games I've seen (about 8 Laker games).


Just keep on truckin', Konex. Your boy just needs to shoot...oh...50% for the next 20 games or so to get his FG% up to a modest 45%. :lol 50% from Kobe over 20 games? Pffft...yeah right. Who does he think he is, Dwayne Wade?

 

[etiolate]

And yeah, I'd take him over Bron or Wade cos he plays defense while carrying the team on his back...

Too bad that team is the opponent .

"Man, we're down double digits. Kobe can you turn the ball over 8 times and brick some jumpers and free throws?"

"Phoenix, just because you are giving me 110%... I'll do it."

 

[Loki]

"Phoenix, just because you are giving me 110%... I'll do it."

:lol

 

[Cloudy]

You haters won't be smiling when the Lakers get out of the first round

 

[DMczaf]

You haters won't be smiling when the Lakers get out of the first round

Of the NBA Draft?

 

[Cloudy]

 

[Loki]

Of the NBA Draft?

:lol

Konex just keeps coming back for more! He's a masochist!


Nah, I can see LA getting out of the first round possibly. Doesn't mean much, though, especially as it pertains to the current convo.

 

[Cloudy]

I think this team is growing and learning from these tough losses. The Clips will get JACKED UP on Saturday

 

[Cloudy]

L.A. Lakers trades: SF Luke Walton (1.4 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 10.8 minutes)
SF Jumaine Jones (4.4 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 17.6 minutes)
Devean George (No games yet played in 2004/05)
L.A. Lakers receives: SF Ryan Humphrey (3.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.3 minutes)
PG Jason Williams (9.3 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 5.6 apg in 27.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +7.2 ppg, -2.7 rpg, and +3.7 apg.

Memphis trades: SF Ryan Humphrey (3.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 8.3 minutes)
PG Jason Williams (9.3 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 5.6 apg in 27.3 minutes)
Memphis receives: SF Luke Walton (1.4 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 10.8 minutes)
SF Jumaine Jones (4.4 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 17.6 minutes)
Devean George (No games yet played in 2004/05)
Change in team outlook: -7.2 ppg, +2.7 rpg, and -3.7 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Do it, Mitch!!!!!

 

[bishoptl]

You haters won't be smiling when the Lakers get out of the first round

Of the NBA Draft?

I just fell off my chair. :lol :lol

 

[Miguel]

You haters won't be smiling when the Lakers get out of the first round

Of the NBA Draft?

I just fell off my chair. :lol :lol

:lol:lol:lol

That was fucking hilarious.

Coming up in my next post...will bring a tear to your eye...

 

[Miguel]

Risin' up, out of the east
Did my time, took my chances
Went to Houston now I'm back on my feet

Yao's a man with a will to survive
So many times it happens too fast
You trade players for glory
Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past
You must fight just to keep your team alive

It's the

Eye of the Tiger
It's the thrill of the flight
Rising up to the challenge of His Airness
And the last known "Next Jordan"
Stalks his prey in the night

And he's watching us all

With the eye...
...of the tiger

 

[Ripclawe]

"This going to be a long year....Damn"

awwww yeaaaaah!

 

[bishoptl]

For pete's sake, Mig :lol

Lazy eye T-Mac > pretty well everything else

 

[Miguel]

:lol bish. Glad you enjoyed it

 

[Takuan]

That's the look of a man who's going to hit it haaaaaard tonight.

 

[levious]

Go ahead.


PS: Bron and Wade are not SGs....

but I thought Kobe was a point guard this season?

 

[Cloudy]

but I thought Kobe was a point guard this season?

He is a 2 masquerading as a 1 for 3 quarters a game....Time to trade!!!! >_<

 

[DMczaf]

Ron Artest and Jermaine O'Neal arrived for a meeting with David Stern today

Ron Artest showed up as a 75 year old grandmother

Jermaine O'Neal showed up for his wedding

 

[bionic77]

He is a 2 masquerading as a 1 for 3 quarters a game....Time to trade!!!! >_<

:lol Konex you need to chill with the damage control.

I personally think it is a mistake to use Kobe as a ball handler and that is not his strong point. He has never made the best decisions with the ball in his hands. Still, if the Lakers can go 2-3 or 3-2 on this tough 5 game stretch that will be big for this team. We are still a few pieces away from really contending. Still, Kobe definitely needs to pick up his play dude and damage control ain't going to change that. If you are willing to take shots at T-Mac incredibly horrible play you gotta be prepared for people responding in kind about Kobe.

Oh yeah, for the blatant Kobe haters, I don't think it is legit to compare anything that occurs out East with the West coast teams. The East is fast approaching WNBA levels and cannot be taken seriously at this point.

I also hope that Seattle goes far and has success in the playoffs so other teams start copying their style of play instead of everyone just trying to be like the Knicks from the 90s, damn that style is boring and ugly to watch. I thought more teams would copy Sacremento, but not that many did, hopefully a run and gun team can win this year and change that trend.

Thank God the Steelers are going to win the Superbowl this year to make up for a Lakers team that won't do anything in the playoffs for at least another year.

 

[levious]

Oh yeah, for the blatant Kobe haters, I don't think it is legit to compare anything that occurs out East with the West coast teams. The East is fast approaching WNBA levels and cannot be taken seriously at this point.

aw... maybe TWO consecutive NBA champs from the East will save them from WNBA status.

and yes, I acknowledge the difference in quality between the two... just you tend to exagerrate about anything it seems.

 

[Loki]

Oh yeah, for the blatant Kobe haters, I don't think it is legit to compare anything that occurs out East with the West coast teams. The East is fast approaching WNBA levels and cannot be taken seriously at this point.

Umm, sure. The East still has stronger defense on average than the West does. So a guard shooting 50+% in the East is more impressive than one doing so in the West.

 

[bionic77]

aw... maybe TWO consecutive NBA champs from the East will save them from WNBA status.

and yes, I acknowledge the difference in quality between the two... just you tend to exagerrate about anything it seems.

Well this is a message board.

Loki, I question that comment about the Eastern Conference's defense. If their defense and the level of play was so high then why do they get ass raped when they go out West? And I AGREED that Kobe's FG% was way too low, like I said he was never known for his decision making ability.

 

[Loki]

Well this is a message board.

Loki, I question that comment about the Eastern Conference's defense. If their defense and the level of play was so high then why do they get ass raped when they go out West? And I AGREED that Kobe's FG% was way too low, like I said he was never known for his decision making ability.

I never said that their "overall level of play" is better, which is why they likely tend to lose more than they win against the West (I haven't seen any stats on that, though), just that their defense is, on average, more solid. It's just a different mentality in the East, and it's been that way for 20+ years now. It seemed as though you were saying that to compare stats from other players who happen to be in the East (such as Lebron or Wade) to Kobe is unfair, when that's not the case. In fact, some of Lebron and Wade's best performances this season came against western teams.

 

[levious]

Umm, sure. The East still has stronger defense on average than the West does. So a guard shooting 50+% in the East is more impressive than one doing so in the West.

A player that shoots above 50% is be default technically not a 2 gaurd. KOBE WINS!

 

[etiolate]

The Pistons play good defense. The east doesn't play good defense. They just all suck enough that they can't score. They also walk the ball up, slow it down and that's not good defense. It's just an old cheap tactic to keep the score down. Whenever they play a western team with an offensive scheme they don't show any clue on how to stop it and thus they get ran by the Phoenix's, Sacramento and Dallas teams of the NBA.

I mean, do you think the Rockets play good defense or do they just play like molasses?

 

[Ripclawe]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-12/10/content_399066.htm

Shaquille O'Neal's new Miami Heat uniform is the most popular selling replica jersey among all National Basketball Association players, the league announced.



Shaquille O'Neal's new Miami Heat uniform is the most popular selling replica jersey among all National Basketball Association players. [AFP]

O'Neal was traded from the Los Angeles Lakers to the Heat in the off-season, giving the league a sales and marketing boost of a marquee player in a new outfit.


Houston's Tracy McGrady, the NBA's top scorer the past two seasons, also made an off-season switch. His move from Orlando to Houston has helped boost him to second on the sales list with Stephon Marbury third.


LeBron James, last season's NBA Rookie of the Year, was fourth, followed by US Olympic teammates Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson.


Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant was seventh with rookie Emeka Okafor eighth in the new jersey for the first-year expansion Charlotte Bobcats. Tim Duncan of San Antonio was ninth and Detroit's Ben Wallace finished the top 10.


China's Yao Ming, the star center for the Houston Rockets, has the best-selling jersey for non-US players and ranks 13th overall.


Germany's Dirk Nowitzki, the Dallas big man leading the NBA in scoring with 27.7 points a game, ranks next among international players and 18th overall.


Among team souvenir item sales, the New York Knicks, Lakers and Chicago Bulls top the list. Miami was fifth and Houston seventh, both clubs new to the list and aided by obtaining new star players this season.

 

[Loki]

The Pistons play good defense. The east doesn't play good defense. They just all suck enough that they can't score. They also walk the ball up, slow it down and that's not good defense. It's just an old cheap tactic to keep the score down. Whenever they play a western team with an offensive scheme they don't show any clue on how to stop it and thus they get ran by the Phoenix's, Sacramento and Dallas teams of the NBA.

I mean, do you think the Rockets play good defense or do they just play like molasses?

I disagree; remember, I was speaking on the average. In the East, Detroit, Indiana, Miami, Philadelphia, Cleveland, and Milwaukee all play solid defense.

In the West, it's basically just the Spurs and, on some nights, Utah and Minnesota who put forth consistent effort on the defensive end.


The elite offensive teams will ALWAYS be able to put up points. Phoenix is a special case, because of their run-and-gun style. Even the best defensive teams throughout history have been susceptible to transition offense. It's very difficult to stop with any measure of success. The best teams of the past 15 years at limiting fastbreaks and controlling the pace of games? Jordan's Bulls and the Lakers of 2000-2003. That's not a coincidence.

Teams like Sac (not this year so much, but in years past) and Dallas (ditto) will also be able to score because they are good passing teams (or, in Dallas' case, they simply had too many weapons). There's no defense that can really "stop" that sort of offense (which is more akin to old school, team basketball); consequently, if the teams in the East can't put up 95 points consistently (which many CAN'T-- I never said they're good offensively ), they'll get beaten more often than not.

 

[Bat]

This Rockets team is a flat-out disaster IMO. Having TMac jack it up gives them the best chance to win now (and this is the route they're seemingly taking) but in the long run, they are going nowhere. I say there's an 80% chance Yao bolts in 2006, and you Rockets fans should really, really worry about that. You can just tell he's absolutely miserable right now.

 

[Fifty]

They need a coach who can figure out how to use two stars to his advantage, not as a disadvantage. The Rockets offense is a joke with Van Gundy running the show.

 

[Matrix]

Gundys ass would be fired before they would let Yao get away from them.

 

[Incognito]

Indeed, I just woke up from my Rocket-Watching induced nap, and god, they're fucking terrible. Yao looks tired after 3 revolutions up and down the court, TMac can't shoot, and when he passes, he's got a bunch of people who aren't qualified to handle boxes of tissues handling the ball.

What a disaster.

 

[Matrix]

Indeed, I just woke up from my Rocket-Watching induced nap, and god, they're fucking terrible. Yao looks tired after 3 revolutions up and down the court, TMac can't shoot, and when he passes, he's got a bunch of people who aren't qualified to handle boxes of tissues handling the ball.

What a disaster.

Your hate of all things Houston is pretty damn funny..sadly I do agree with you on a couple of your comments,but damn its like the city of Houston killed your mother.

 

[DMczaf]

Your hate of all things Houston is pretty damn funny..sadly I do agree with you on a couple of your comments,but damn its like the city of Houston killed your mother.

We already came to the conclusion that T-Mac killed his mother, but I think someone in Houston killed his dog.

 

[Cloudy]

Damn, you cannot back off any Sonics player on the perimeter AT ALL :lol

 

[Incognito]

Seattle's laying it nice and thick on the Mavericks. :lol :lol :lol

 

[Matrix]

Mavs cant play D for shit,you take a team like the Sonics who can shoot and it's over.

Shit the Mavs actually let the Rockets err Tmac score 100 points on them.

 

[bionic77]

Mavs cant play D for shit,you take a team like the Sonics who can shoot and it's over.

Shit the Mavs actually let the Rockets err Tmac score 100 points on them.

This game is disgusting. Rockets and Spurs should be ashamed.

 

[Incognito]

I wonder if either the Rockets or Spurs will surpass the 62pts Seattle put up at the half. Not looking good... :lol

 

[bionic77]

Holy shitballs that was the worst fastbreak in the history of basketball (not just professional).

Rockets on a fast break which ends with Howard throwing the ball behind his head into the glass......

 

[Matrix]

This game is disgusting. Rockets and Spurs should be ashamed.

This is the type of game the Rockets and Spurs have played for the last 2 seasons

 

[bionic77]

Have the Rockets ever scored on a fast break? It seems like their players can't even run!

 

[bionic77]

DM's life must have flashed before his eyes when T-Mac ran off the court.

 

[DMczaf]

DM's life must have flashed before his eyes when T-Mac ran off the court.

 

[Miguel]

Almost at 62! YOU WERE WRONG INCOGNITO!

:lol

Man, I'm all for defensive teams, but damn. This is some ooooogly basketball...With that said, if we're winning, I could care less if it's 2-0.

 

[Miguel]

:lol

I guess we're ONLY getting to 62.