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Democrats lost November Election (and down ticket) by giving GOP talking point that the Democrats blocked government checks to workers during Crisis

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As you can see from this thread, the only people upset about this are people who were never going to vote for Democrats anyway. Nothing wrong with holding out for a bit more. We don't know how long this is going to last.

$1,200 wouldn't get me very far.
 

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Bottom line is neither Republican or Democrat works for us anymore. They're all out to get as fat as possible with the lowest amount of effort. I'm sure there are those who have altruistic reasons for getting into politics but the swamp quickly swallows them up. We should be throwing them all out on their ass and starting over with politicians who actually represent the people.
 
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As you can see from this thread, the only people upset about this are people who were never going to vote for Democrats anyway. Nothing wrong with holding out for a bit more. We don't know how long this is going to last.

$1,200 wouldn't get me very far.
The Senate bill is not meant to be one and done.

I wouldn't be so sure about that that "were never going to vote for Democrats thing anyway." I may be in a tiny minority, I don't know, but I've voted straight Democrat since 2004 (my first presidential election) and I'm appalled by what's going on right now.
 

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Republicans need to counter with a targeted individual stimulus bill, maybe increased to $1500 per person with the Roth IRA limits for the phase out. No corporate stimulus, no fluff. That would hit a ton of small business owners.

This is already escalating into a contest of bribery, though, but it would look terrible for Democrats to not go for that when their bill is a disaster.

As you can see from this thread, the only people upset about this are people who were never going to vote for Democrats anyway. Nothing wrong with holding out for a bit more. We don't know how long this is going to last.

$1,200 wouldn't get me very far.
This was supposed to be an emergency bill that Dems have now loaded with worthless pork like vagina mandates and air emissions restrictions for planes.

$1200 plus unemployment expansion and the government paying for Kung Flu-related medical costs was already generous for a short term relief.

If you believe the Democrats are the only ones trying to use this crisis to their political advantage then you are woefully naive.
Who is holding the country hostage over a vagina/penis ratio?

Oh, right, Dems.
 
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As you can see from this thread, the only people upset about this are people who were never going to vote for Democrats anyway. Nothing wrong with holding out for a bit more. We don't know how long this is going to last.

$1,200 wouldn't get me very far.
Fine, then hold out for diversity hires, emission changes in an already critically damaged industry, and election audits from the geniuses who brought us the Iowa caucuses... and get nothing.
 

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As you can see from this thread, the only people upset about this are people who were never going to vote for Democrats anyway. Nothing wrong with holding out for a bit more. We don't know how long this is going to last.

$1,200 wouldn't get me very far.
So just to be clear belmarduk belmarduk , according to your logic, it's better our congress accomplish nothing, and fight over retirement plans for community newspaper employees than actually try to stabilize the economy right now?
 
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Some people in this thread are really showing their ass. It's become blatant.

It is the Democrats who are poisoning this fucking bill, not the Republicans.

Pass the fucking thing, get the money out, and then work on extending unemployment benefits. Money first, bullshit second.
 

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Republicans need to counter with a targeted individual stimulus bill, maybe increased to $1500 per person with the Roth IRA limits for the phase out. No corporate stimulus, no fluff. That would hit a ton of small business owners.

This is already escalating into a contest of bribery, though, but it would look terrible for Democrats to not go for that when their bill is a disaster.



This was supposed to be an emergency bill that Dems have now loaded with worthless pork like vagina mandates and air emissions restrictions for planes.

$1200 plus unemployment expansion and the government paying for Kung Flu-related medical costs was already generous for a short term relief.



Who is holding the country hostage over a vagina/penis ratio?

Oh, right, Dems.
I was wrong. Perhaps I should've paid better attention in government classes? I was sure presidents had line item vetos.
 
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Wait so you guys are cool with the bill not having any provisions that big businesses can’t use the relief money to buy back stocks (the reason they’re in this mess to begin with)?
 

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If Republicans find gender equality and environmental protections so objectionable, they should vote for the bill anyway. When it gets to Trump, he can use a line item veto on those things.
There is no such thing as a line-item veto at the federal level. It's unconstitutional.

But beyond that, what does the Democrat's bill have to do with gender equality? And why are those things in a disaster relief bill in the first place?

Wait so you guys are cool with the bill not having any provisions that big businesses can’t use the relief money to buy back stocks (the reason they’re in this mess to begin with)?
It had those provisions, and the reason they are in the mess is because the country is shut down.
 
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There is no such thing as a line-item veto at the federal level. It's unconstitutional.

But beyond that, what does the Democrat's bill have to do with gender equality? And why are those things in a disaster relief bill in the first place?



It had those provisions, and the reason they are in the mess is because the country is shut down.
No it doesn’t and trump even admitted he wanted businesses to use it for infrastructure and workers and not buying back stocks or they wouldn’t be in this position. He said it right in the press conference either yesterday or two days ago.
 

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No it doesn’t and trump even admitted he wanted businesses to use it for infrastructure and workers and not buying back stocks or they wouldn’t be in this position. He said it right in the press conference either yesterday or two days ago.
Under the Senate bill, companies that receive the money are not allowed to buyback stock except at the Treasury Secretary's discretion.

Would they have some more money? Probably, but no business can survive having its doors shuttered for months without customers. And if they don't survive, the jobs do not either.
 
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As you can see from this thread, the only people upset about this are people who were never going to vote for Democrats anyway. Nothing wrong with holding out for a bit more. We don't know how long this is going to last.

$1,200 wouldn't get me very far.
Ugh no, they need to hurry and dump the bullshit. I'm fine but some people can't go a week without their jobs/income, and we're on week two now. They need to hurry the fuck up, and fucking focus on providing value. Goddamn, those idiots are wasting a ton of time.

Like it really doesn't take long to make these bills, and they focused on all of their dumb shit. What the fuck.
 
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I vote Democrat, and it’s pretty clear the Democrats snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. You don’t vote against a coronavirus bill in the middle of a pandemic and economic crisis. You can’t scream about urgency and then in the next breath say that we need to include some diversity stuff right this second. For fucks sake, I’m a homo and know the importance of diversity and shit, but do we need to worry about that subject right now? Is this really the time?

This is why liberals lose all the damned time. They have no sense at all when it comes to optics.
 

Zefah

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I vote Democrat, and it’s pretty clear the Democrats snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. You don’t vote against a coronavirus bill in the middle of a pandemic and economic crisis. You can’t scream about urgency and then in the next breath say that we need to include some diversity stuff right this second. For fucks sake, I’m a homo and know the importance of diversity and shit, but do we need to worry about that subject right now? Is this really the time?

This is why liberals lose all the damned time. They have no sense at all when it comes to optics.
Same "urgency" bullshit they pulled with rushing to vote on the bills of impeachment only to sit on them. It's like they think people aren't paying attention to what they're doing vs. what they're saying.
 
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Trying to take ballot harvesting nation-wide I see.



Page 872.

(2) PERMITTING VOTERS TO DESIGNATE OTHER PERSON TO RETURN BALLOT.—The State—

A) shall permit a voter to designate any person to return a voted and sealed absentee ballot to the post office, a ballot drop-off location, tribally designated building, or election office so long as the person designated to return the ballot does not receive any form of compensation based on the number of ballots that the person has returned and no individual, group, or organization provides compensation on this basis; and

(B) may not put any limit on how many voted and sealed absentee ballots any designated person can return to the post office, a ballot drop off location, tribally designated building, or election office.
 
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As you can see from this thread, the only people upset about this are people who were never going to vote for Democrats anyway. Nothing wrong with holding out for a bit more. We don't know how long this is going to last.

$1,200 wouldn't get me very far.
I support giving some additional cash to people in need. Obviously they can’t control this situation, and it’s better for all of us if we can come together as a group to keep things moving for a couple months and help people out.

Reading comments like this, both here and on Twitter makes me so fucking mad. The opposing party offers you help and you are saying you’d rather get nothing then “not enough?

If that’s the case muchacho I hope you get nothing. Businesses don’t need shit, let the bad ones fail.

When your unemployment benefits run out and you have to live in the real world again don’t come asking for compassion cuz all you’re gonna get is a door closing in your face.
 

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How dare you question this CRITICAL DISASTER AID! Do you hate elections?

If counting a couple thousand unverified ballots Democrats magically pull out of random car trunks is not allowed, Putin wins.

Edit: Do these people even read what they write?




"It doesn't ban voter ID; it just bans additional restrictions on getting ballots like asking to see Voter ID!"
 
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A good crisis makes every one a socialist.

I don't understand.

Conservatives can't make fun of Bernie and then cry when they need a bail out.

This is a reason why you need to prepare yourself before the crisis and then asking daddy government to bail you out.
 
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Vicetrailia

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A good crisis makes every one a socialist.

I don't understand.

Conservatives can't make fun of Bernie and then cry when they need a bail out.

This is a reason why you need to prepare yourself before the crisis and then asking daddy government to bail you out.
When you need help, you need help.

We can't let people who haven't made it yet lose everything to the Corona virus. Everyone is a WIP until you aren't.
 
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helping someone up when they fall, and carrying them for life are two different things...… come on, you know this.
I can't say I do.
Years of economic policy.
Anti competitive business regulations brought on by the medical, pharmaceutical, production, food and every other industry.
Centralization of government and business

All those contribute to the system lacking in response. Behemoths can't change quick enough in a situation like this.

There will be a lot of opportunity for business to grow after this. Of course the government is going to employ all the economic and financial help it can to cover their own assets-and not let the thing crash like they should,.

Its happened over and over. Thats how you get Trillions into debt.
 

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When you need help, you need help.

We can't let people who haven't made it yet lose everything to the Corona virus. Everyone is a WIP until you aren't.
Everyone being a WIP doesn't have to mean central government bailouts and a complete devaluation of currency is needed.

More help would come from local agencies and organizations if they didn't depend on the government from subsidizing their business.
 

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I can't say I do.
Years of economic policy.
Anti competitive business regulations brought on by the medical, pharmaceutical, production, food and every other industry.
Centralization of government and business

All those contribute to the system lacking in response. Behemoths can't change quick enough in a situation like this.

There will be a lot of opportunity for business to grow after this. Of course the government is going to employ all the economic and financial help it can to cover their own assets-and not let the thing crash like they should,.

Its happened over and over. Thats how you get Trillions into debt.
you say that, yet we have entered, competed, and are now open because of our importance of in the supply of medical equipment are still open as an outsider company say otherwise... we are hiring BTW
 

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How dare you question this CRITICAL DISASTER AID! Do you hate elections?

If counting a couple thousand unverified ballots Democrats magically pull out of random car trunks is not allowed, Putin wins.

Edit: Do these people even read what they write?




"It doesn't ban voter ID; it just ban additional restrictions on getting ballots like asking to see Voter ID!"
tRuMp wAnTs tO rIg tHe eLeCtIoN

Forever the party of projection.
 

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While I agree it is good to be prepared. I feel like there is a difference between someone being fired in an isolated incident, and the government asking everyone to freeze the whole economy. One is a common facet of reality and the other is imposed on the populace with a further directive of "Don't go outside unless necessary."

It is why I feel like we should have been rolling heads after 2008 for the way the bailouts were handled, but I don't have a problem with us propping up some of the business that have been practically paused by the government. Though, places like Boeing have been shit for a while and we should absolutely get something out of helping them if not straight up nationalization.
 
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Forever the party of projection.
Here is the actual text. I'm still in fucking awe of this:

*On page 872*



Democrats want people to just drop off a box of ballots with no validation or trail of custody or anything. And they were screaming over $10,000 in shitty Facebook ads for three years. And they threw this in a disaster relief bill.

Just declare martial law already, the country is a damn joke.
 
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Here the actual text. I'm still in fucking awe of this:



Democrats want people to just drop off a box of ballots with no validation or trail of custody or anything. And they were screaming other $10,000 in shitty Facebook ads for three years. And they threw this in a disaster relief bill.

Just declare martial law already, the country is a damn joke.
They’re the fascists.
 

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Here the actual text. I'm still in fucking awe of this:

*On page 872*



Democrats want people to just drop off a box of ballots with no validation or trail of custody or anything. And they were screaming over $10,000 in shitty Facebook ads for three years. And they threw this in a disaster relief bill.

Just declare martial law already, the country is a damn joke.
Unhinged and deranged.
 
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Here the actual text. I'm still in fucking awe of this:

*On page 872*



Democrats want people to just drop off a box of ballots with no validation or trail of custody or anything. And they were screaming over $10,000 in shitty Facebook ads for three years. And they threw this in a disaster relief bill.

Just declare martial law already, the country is a damn joke.
Mother of God, expect the entire nation to be like Broward County in 2018 where they kept on finding mysterious absentee ballots until their side won.

That provision right there would render every election everywhere absolutely meaningless.
 

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Helpful thread on Twitter about the reasons Democrats are blocking this bill:


And then there's this beauty a few days ago:


This line in particular stands out: "This is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision,” Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told lawmakers, according to a source on the call."
This sounds like a line from some JRPG villian.

"Now I can reshape the world in my image! Ha ha ha!"

*transforms into Neo ExDem*
 

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If Trump truly has no interest in allowing them to do that then the Republicans should have no problem changing the language to what the Democrats want in order to get the bill passed.
the democrats want a ton of unrelated goodies including abortion. diversity and climate change related items. If democrats wanted they could have tried to modify the portions of the bill they disagree with.
Once the Republicans change the language surrounding the buybacks then it sounds like the two sides are very close to agreeing.
they negotiated, if that was critical they could have negotiated different wording. Or released a similar bill with different wording and no poison pills.
I agree with you. That's why I have already said that Congress is trying weaponize this crisis in order to get things they want.
It isn't congress. republicans might be trying to give people money, but the ones wanting all sorts of goodies are the dems
 
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I actually agree with Democrats only slightly for not passing it.

There's no control over loans to corproations, meanwhile there's lots of means testing for your everday person to get their checks ranging from $600 to $3500.

What business is receiving money, and how much are they receiving? We need stipulations and transparency.

I also think unemployment benefits should be in there.

They don't actually care about that though is the problem. It's a facade to their greater plan.
 

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A good crisis makes every one a socialist.

I don't understand.

Conservatives can't make fun of Bernie and then cry when they need a bail out.

This is a reason why you need to prepare yourself before the crisis and then asking daddy government to bail you out.

Everyone can make fun of Bernie. It's easy.
 
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