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Dems: Russia, Wikileaks and Trump Conspired to Beat Clinton

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The complaint, filed in federal district court in Manhattan, alleges that top Trump campaign officials conspired with the Russian government and its military spy agency to hurt Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and help Trump by hacking the computer networks of the Democratic Party and disseminating stolen material found there.

The lawsuit argues that Russia is not entitled to sovereign immunity in this case because “the DNC claims arise out of Russia’s trespass on to the DNC’s private servers...in order to steal trade secrets and commit economic espionage.”

The lawsuit echoes a similar legal tactic that the Democratic Party used during the Watergate scandal. In 1972, the DNC filed suit against then president Richard Nixon’s reelection committee seeking $1 million (U.S.) in damages for the break-in at Democratic headquarters in the Watergate building.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ng-conspiracy-to-help-trump-win-election.html
 

Manus

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Gotta keep the distraction going till the primaries. Since it seems the Mueller investigation is winding down and their finding nothing.
 

TheMikado

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This is absurd and should at least wait until the mueller investigation releases its findings
 
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lol at all the people in this thread that seriously think that the Russians didn’t conspire to help Trump. Numerous intelligence agencies agree that he did. And trump then publicly asked them to release this data to undermine Clinton.

So either...

A. You think you’re somehow smarter than the FBI, CIA and the NSA

B. You somehow think Putin is a trustworthy individual, more so than the FBI

Or

C. You are fine with foreign spies stealing data from US companies (Facebook, the dnc and who knows where else) and using it to undermine democracy
 
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JORMBO

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lol at all the people in this thread that seriously think that the Russians didn’t conspire to help Trump. Numerous intelligence agencies agree that he did.

So either...

A. You think you’re somehow smarter than the FBI, CIA and the NSA

B. You somehow think Putin is a trustworthy individual, more so than the FBI

Or

C. You are fine with foreign spies stealing data from US companies (Facebook, the dnc and who knows where else) and using it to undermine democracy

I don’t think anyone is denying the Russians were trying to mess with the election. We are still waiting to see if Donald Trump himself directly worked with the Russians on this. That I am doubtful of.
 
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Trump and Sean Hannity both publicly asked the Russians to release this stolen data multiple times during the election.
 

JORMBO

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I need more proof other then a joke made in front of a large crowd.
 
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I need more proof other then a joke made in front of a large crowd.

Then you should be happy that this lawsuit was filed. Because the discovery process from suits like this is one of the main ways thru which people hurt by a crime can find proof of intent and malice and recoup damages.
 
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Yeah, it had nothing to do with her possibly being the shittiest candidate to ever run :D.

Lost to a complete political novice who she outspent heavily and had pretty much every media outlet doing everything they could to get her elected (90+% negative media coverage against Trump) and she still lost. That takes a special kind of suck to pull that feat off.

I still till this day couldn't tell you what her message was.
 
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Texas Pride

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This is fantastic.


Opens Hillary, Wasserman, Rice, etc up to discovery


And how they screwed Bernie Sanders out of the nomination. In the end this probably backfires on the DNC. Discovery works both ways.
 
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Kotzen Ducha

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Ron Howard: "they didn't"

Hope this isn't the DNC plan in lieu of uniting the party under a reasonable and likable candidate for 2020.
 

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All this does is open up a line of attack for Trump for "Witch Hunt!!!!"

Just lay low and let Mueller do his job.
 

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I don’t think anyone is denying the Russians were trying to mess with the election. We are still waiting to see if Donald Trump himself directly worked with the Russians on this. That I am doubtful of.
I don’t think anyone is denying the Russians were trying to mess with the election. We are still waiting to see if Donald Trump himself directly worked with the Russians on this. That I am doubtful of.
As I recall, Trump himself is not named in the suit.
 

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As more time goes on the more I think there isn't much there in terms of "Trump -Russia" but the Dems still need "the possibility" of it out there so the media will continue with speculation/negative coverage...like they been doing 24/7 for the last year...

I think voters will become desentized to it and ultimately not care about it.
 

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As more time goes on the more I think there isn't much there in terms of "Trump -Russia" but the Dems still need "the possibility" of it out there so the media will continue with speculation/negative coverage...like they been doing 24/7 for the last year...

I think voters will become desentized to it and ultimately not care about it.


If Trump is found not guilty of anything in this current investigation. I think the civil suit will impact them negatively coming off like sour grapes after the fact.
 

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Yeah, it had nothing to do with her possibly being the shittiest candidate to ever run :D.

Lost to a complete political novice who she outspent heavily and had pretty much every media outlet doing everything they could to get her elected (90+% negative media coverage against Trump) and she still lost. That takes a special kind of suck to pull that feat off.

I still till this day couldn't tell you what her message was.
Its unreal isn't it? Had everything going for her and still lost. Must have been Russia somehow./s

Looks like the Democrats have learned absolutely nothing.

They better hope there's some kind of fire here or they have already lost the next election.
 

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I think its pretty clear that wikileaks and russia conspired.

And certainly it appears as if people in the Trump campaign tried to conspire (e.g. that meeting Donald Trump Jr had) or knew about the hack (Papadopoulos bragging to everyone and their dog about the emails).
 

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I think its pretty clear that wikileaks and russia conspired.

And certainly it appears as if people in the Trump campaign tried to conspire (e.g. that meeting Donald Trump Jr had) or knew about the hack (Papadopoulos bragging to everyone and their dog about the emails).

Pretty clear based on what? Wikileaks publishes what is submitted to them.
The only strong implication is that Seth Rich is the leaker.
 
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Looks like the Democrats have learned absolutely nothing.

They haven't. Nor have they formed any sort of coherent platform other than bashing President Trump and that's the best thing that could have happened to the GOP.
 

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Date matches up with assumption they were smoking something before filing this.

And this is a pathetic maneuver to deflect attention from the Coney memo exoneration and North Korea developments. Slimy bunch of weasels.
 

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Pretty clear based on what? Wikileaks publishes what is submitted to them.
The only strong implication is that Seth Rich is the leaker.

That's an interesting take. Are you able to explain why it was Seth Rich?
 

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lol at all the people in this thread that seriously think that the Russians didn’t conspire to help Trump. Numerous intelligence agencies agree that he did. And trump then publicly asked them to release this data to undermine Clinton.

So either...

A. You think you’re somehow smarter than the FBI, CIA and the NSA

B. You somehow think Putin is a trustworthy individual, more so than the FBI

Or

C. You are fine with foreign spies stealing data from US companies (Facebook, the dnc and who knows where else) and using it to undermine democracy
What scares me is you actually think the FBI CIA AND NSA are on your side. I am actually a little worried about your blind loyalism.
 

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Yeah, it had nothing to do with her possibly being the shittiest candidate to ever run :D.

Lost to a complete political novice who she outspent heavily and had pretty much every media outlet doing everything they could to get her elected (90+% negative media coverage against Trump) and she still lost. That takes a special kind of suck to pull that feat off.

I still till this day couldn't tell you what her message was.

It's funny you should say that, because that's largely why she lost. Aside from "my opponent is awful," she didn't have a clear message. The whole video is worth watching, but this part covers what she got wrong.


This guy didn't vote for Trump, but said he'd win back in may of 2016. He's built a career out of studying body language and persuasive elements of speech. Matpat of GameTheory fame also made a great video on how Trump used reality show strategies in his campaign, and how effective that was.
 

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This 'Mueller hasn't found anything yet' meme is getting pretty tiring
 

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But how do you account for all the intelligence agencies stating it was Russia?

Intelligence agencies say whatever suits them and their objectives - consider the "missile gap" they invented in the Cold War.

I'm sure there were Russian efforts to affect the election, though. It was in their interest to keep Clinton out, since her Syria plan would have involved shooting down Russian planes. I also kind of want this to go somewhere, having thought about it - think of all the people who could start suing America for interference in their elections, since the US does it so routinely.
 
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Spheyr

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Remember the time Mueller brought us into war in Iraq by claiming they had WMDs.

Good times... good times....
 
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But how do you account for all the intelligence agencies stating it was Russia?

As a rule, intelligence agencies aren't truthful. They are masters of the art of subterfuge - it's all part of the job.

Despite saying it was Russia, no one as presented any evidence to back up the claim.

Also, it seems much more likely that the DNC emails came from an inside source. Most of Wikileaks most "explosive" stuff has been leaked that way.
 

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I love how the republicans on this board are always shitting on dems and vice versa. How old are you guys that you don't know by now that both parties are comprised of shit eating fraudsters. The ones who try to really make a change usually don't last long and the ones usually the most fraudulent get promotions.

Stop blaming the opposing party republicans , like we all don't know the GOP is covering for Trump hard. And Democratics still hope no one mentions Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
 

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I love how the republicans on this board are always shitting on dems and vice versa. How old are you guys that you don't know by now that both parties are comprised of shit eating fraudsters. The ones who try to really make a change usually don't last long and the ones usually the most fraudulent get promotions.

Stop blaming the opposing party republicans , like we all don't know the GOP is covering for Trump hard. And Democratics still hope no one mentions Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

It's hard to grow out from that battle mentality where the other party is the best of the best and the other party is the worst of the worst because this illusion of having to root for one of the two parties has been put so damn deep in people's minds. All talk of the possibility of voting for a third party was effectively killed in this forum over and over again.

I think people need to bring the other parties into serious discussion to be able to let go the mentality that one party is faultless and the other is the work of the devil.
 

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Everyone has a perverse fantasy of a shit disturber becoming president and setting things straight by calling things as they are and building proper efficiencies. However Donald is the guy who lies about shit, has flip flip opinions, is egotistical, self absorbed, and has no idea how to build efficiencies in anything. The revolving door of people coming in and out of his team speaks pretty loudly to his choice of character and his ability to maintain a group. I don't care if he fucked porn stars while married. JFK fucked women while married and while president and really, men high five over that.

No one forced anyone to vote a particular way but there was a significant leveraging of technology to force issues but even then the vote wasn't swayed in unexpected way that doesn't usually exist. Clinton was just a crappy opponent and as much as I hate to say it a woman has twice as much work to do to be appealing as a strong leader while maintaining a level of empathy that men don't need to have. The dems NEED a handsome, charismatic, ex military, and successful businessman to be their nominee next time around. Also reject all elevation of identity politics as they are distasteful to the vast majority of the voting base, who I honestly think simply believe that americans are simply americans and no special interest group should be catered to more than any other.
 

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The dems NEED a handsome, charismatic, ex military, and successful businessman to be their nominee next time around. Also reject all elevation of identity politics as they are distasteful to the vast majority of the voting base, who I honestly think simply believe that americans are simply americans and no special interest group should be catered to more than any other.

Incorrect. What the Dems need is a truly progressive person who will listen to what the people want, and do so without depending on the lobbyists. We need a separation of business and politics, not a closer bond between them. It's why companies can and will often buy votes. People voted for Trump because they wanted to shake up the system that they didn't believe represented them, and found that it's just a bunch of the same old shit with a new flavor of corruption. Take the money out of the military contracts (which doesn't get into the hands of personnel anyway) and spend it on public options that people want, like affordable healthcare and infrastructure without making it an excuse to play with taxes.

People are easily influenced by propaganda, but they are also easily influenced by image. People honestly believed that Trump was going to help them in their daily lives. So far, that isn't happening for a vast majority. They are still looking for that improvement.