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Well... As much as I like Warframe, it makes no sense comparing both of them. Firstly because its rewarding structure, even though you can get almost everything without paying, is far more vicious. It is oriented on frustration, impatience, and weariness. Which is how they make money. Destiny in the other hand only plays with your envy since microtransactions are mainly cosmetic. But hey, in the end, they're both businesses and no saint companies.

To be fair, Warframe never had much story content and staging. You have some second dream quests types and that's all. Everything else is exposition through radio communication. Well, full CGI narration is one thing you're buying with expansions. I'll admit that Shadowkeep is I think trying to go in the same direction than Warframe compared to Forsaken in that regard which bothers me a bit but it explains why this expansion costs less.

You can advocate all you want your point of view on Destiny's dwindling player base but here they are now. Getting records on charts.
Even if Bungie were only giving old content/expansions for free (yeah you have every base activities available for everyone) it would still be a great way to introduce and sell the game (or not) for the new player base. If you don't feel like paying for expansions fair enough. And you can also see where it's going upfront with microtransactions.
 
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No.

You're getting a ton of content to sift through and when you eventually hit the pay wall, you'll explicitly know if you want to pay for the rest. I'm talking potentially hundreds of hours of playtime for free if you choose.

Although, apparently stay away from some aspects of PVP. There's reports of a lot of people there being fairly territorial.

Edit: I'm basing my last statement from this thread on reddit:
That is why matchmaking is not a good idea in high level activities... it was painful to be matched with randoms and it will probably be worst now with the F2P version :(

I'm all open to teach the mechanics to new players that wants to learn but sometimes it is really hard to help.
 
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I even deliberately stated in my post that the Competitive playlist had a real population problems because people don't like those modes.

And way to go pulling up history posts about Destiny 2. Anyone at this point knows Destiny 2 started as a failure in comparison to Destiny 1,
You're missing the point. The shills from the hugbox thread were denying that Destiny 2 was ever in trouble. Which it was.

They were denying that Trials tanked hard. Which it did.

You at least don't deny that those things ever happened wich is a good start. But you can't say a game mode that over 1.000.000 million participated on at launch, that it become during D1 lifetime the single most celebrated game activity alongside raids, something "people don't like". Bungie fucked up hard and Trials participation dropped by a factor of 20. If you looked at twitch during D1, it was all raids and trials, raids and trials. People like the competitive aspect of Destiny's pvp.

When people LOL at a post with no humor in it they're laughing AT YOU. I equally tag triggered when I feel the poster making a post is triggered as well as when I want to jokingly say the post "triggered" me, like someone saying Super Metroid isn't the pinnacle of amazing game. You can't spin all reactions to be positive reactions and even then you lied about having more likes!
Destiny and its players have been the laughing stock of the gaming community for years. The fact you're all complaining all the time as a community that Bungie doesn't ship enough content, that the activities aren't rewarding enough and so on while still supporting the game year after year makes you all a comedy target. In party chats whenever the destiny player leaves everybody laughs at him, that's what happens. And reading that Bungie is shipping another exploitative piece of content is extremely funny.
 
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Well... As much as I like Warframe, it makes no sense comparing both of them. Firstly because its rewarding structure, even though you can get almost everything without paying, is far more vicious. It is oriented on frustration, impatience, and weariness. Which is how they make money. Destiny in the other hand only plays with your envy since microtransactions are mainly cosmetic. But hey, in the end, they're both businesses and no saint companies.
Destiny plays the EXACT same game with their cosmetics. They provide extremely grindy free ways to acquire them just to make you feel frustrated, impatient and weary. The same level of viciousness. Now Destiny does not sell armor and weapons for cash like warframe does, but acquiring those items is equally grindy. Is it better that they provide no monetary shortcut to power? Yes, it is better - but they also make you pay an entry free if you want the latest content.

To be fair, Warframe never had much story content and staging. You have some second dream quests types and that's all. Everything else is exposition through radio communication. Well, full CGI narration is one thing you're buying with expansions. I'll admit that Shadowkeep is I think trying to go in the same direction than Warframe compared to Forsaken in that regard which bothers me a bit but it explains why this expansion costs less.
It's got quite a bit of these quests (not just some) although they're now releasing less of those to refocus on the open-world-ish areas. And they've upgraded the radio communication to video communication. But if you think cutscenes are worth money then sure Destiny is better for you. Note that there isn't anything wrong with narrative being delivered through in-game video calls. It's the quality of the narrative that matters. I played the Destiny 2 campaign and I would argue that it was mostly serviceable and bland. It had a few cool moments like boarding the ship by the Traveler but eh... I also wouldn't say most of Warframe's story content is top tier neither.

You can advocate all you want your point of view on Destiny's dwindling player base but here they are now.
The shills are denying that Destiny 2 was ever in trouble. As fan, you might not enjoy being shoved up your face the sordid history of their launch year, but it happened and I'll continue to post it until they stop pretending it never happened. As I said, they Destiny team has experience seeing their game crash and burn, so ensuring there's always a healthy community was likely one of theyr f2p design goals. This last sentence should not be controversial, but the shitposters from the hugbox thread couldn't even deal with it. I hope you don't disappoint me and you can deal with it.
 
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Meh. I love it. Been playing since D1 beta days. Played Warframe too. Never been a fan of the mtx system in Warframe. I do wish that Bungie included some more Eververse stuff to be able to get in the world and not just through engrams, but I'm not too fussed. Love the game, Shadowkeep was hugely nostalgic and the campaign, while short was excellent.

Not sure how offering everything upto Forsaken (plus you also get Forsaken activities like the Mengerie for free etc). Is a scam. I think it's really generous.

But I cba with the flame wars and the drama. Just chill. Warframe, Destiny, whatever, they are just digital toys at the end of the day. If you don't wanna pay, cool, move on. If you wanna pay, cool, have fun.

Simple really.
 
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You still haven't even commented on the monumental failure of Destiny 2 first year. What's your opinion on Bungie feeding you false xp numbers to pressure you into buying microtransactions?

How about you feel ashamed about being incapable of facing the reality of Destiny 2 first year:


With a dwindling playerbase, Bungie had to respond with videos like these:


And over a series of videos they detailed their plan to destroy and discard most of the gameplay design of Destiny 2 as it launched in order to attempt to salvage the game from shutting down before the year 2 expansion hit.

That actually happened and here you are, in bad faith, pretending all of this never happened, just to attempt to shut down someone who's saying things you don't like. You are miserable.

How long are you going to attempt to deny things that actually happened just to keep up the facade that the first year of Destiny 2 was nothing but an unmitigated disaster and you're posting to derail the thread so people cannot be allowed to say that they don't like Destiny 2?

Seriously, you're just going to spin another shitpost or are you going to address the facts presented?
 
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but they also make you pay an entry free if you want the latest content.
Well... That's the point. Destiny isn't a F2P per se. And you see that in the quality of the content either you like it or not is just opinion. But either the polishing of that content exists or not is just factual.
But if you think cutscenes are worth money then sure Destiny is better for you. Note that there isn't anything wrong with narrative being delivered through in-game video calls. It's the quality of the narrative that matters.
I agree with you on this, though quality and the kind of approach you have for your narration cost development time. Putting together the staging is development time for devs and artists alike. Hell, even gameplay wise you have far more choices and experimentations in the game mechanics. Either it is a hit or a miss is subjective but does not deny its existence.
hope you don't disappoint me and you can deal with it.
There is no denying that they had a low point in their player base until Warmind which was a bit better but really short.

Getting back on Warframe, their monetization architecture being on the core of the game and on all its aspects allow Digital Extreme to have their game F2P (don't forget also that they're subsidiaries of Leyou which inject funds for them to develop the game too). That's mainly the difference which makes it not a good comparison in my opinion. What I believe Bungie could handle with its microtransactions is the battle pass with some parts of a season (excluding raids).

For what it cost me, Forsaken and Shadowkeep gave me what I needed. More lore, and a place where I'm having fun with my friends or random blueberries. It could be better, true. But as long they don't exaggerate and exceed what I'd tolerate before it becomes pure greed I'm fine.
 
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You still haven't even commented on the monumental failure of Destiny 2 first year. What's your opinion on Bungie feeding you false xp numbers to pressure you into buying microtransactions?

How about you feel ashamed about being incapable of facing the reality of Destiny 2 first year:


With a dwindling playerbase, Bungie had to respond with videos like these:


And over a series of videos they detailed their plan to destroy and discard most of the gameplay design of Destiny 2 as it launched in order to attempt to salvage the game from shutting down before the year 2 expansion hit.

That actually happened and here you are, in bad faith, pretending all of this never happened, just to attempt to shut down someone who's saying things you don't like. You are miserable.

How long are you going to attempt to deny things that actually happened just to keep up the facade that the first year of Destiny 2 was nothing but an unmitigated disaster and you're posting to derail the thread so people cannot be allowed to say that they don't like Destiny 2?

Seriously, you're just going to spin another shitpost or are you going to address the facts presented?
Keep the lies.

I already explained that guys like you made Bungie choose the The Taken King path and so it was a bad path.
Glad Bungie realized how wrong they were and back to what made Destiny good again.

Haters like you have no more place in Destiny... thanks God for that.

But you keep spreading the false new in this thread like it is real lol
 
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You must be a twelve year old, presented with evidence of things that happened and yet you shout it's all lies.

Did you cry like that when you learn Santa didn't exist?
37 years old ;)
For what I remember I never believed in Santa at all.

I just can't deal with made up shit.
 
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Is that why you posted a couple pages back how much you liked being called "guardian"? Do you seriously believe you're a "guardian"?

Yeah, you believe in Santa.
Yeap I play the game as a role of Guardian so I can call me a Guardian in that game.
Do you have any problem with that?

Actually I never believed in Santa because my parents were never into that lol my small brother believed for one Christmas because my Aunt and his daughter (that believed in Santa) influenced him.

But you know I have no issue with Santa and if I believed it in my children days I should be fine.
You have some weird way of thinking lol
Well not surprised how you wrote a fake OP and tries to continue to arguments without any arguments lol
 
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Well... That's the point. Destiny isn't a F2P per se. And yo usee that in the quality of the content either you like it or not is just opinion. But either the polishing of that content exists or not is just factual.
That's not really true anymore. Destiny IS an f2p game with an extensive MTX shop, grinding mechanics, charges for the battle pass and charges for the newest content. If one wasn't too kind, one could say that you're playing an f2p game and for that privilege you're paying developers 60 bucks a year and whatever MTX you buy. And as I said it isn't just the business model, the design queues are out there. Granted Bungie aren't the only developers pushing the "freemium" stuff (played any "full price" "not f2p" recent ubisoft game?) but eh.

I agree with you on this, though quality and the kind of approach you have for your narration cost development time. Putting together the staging is development time for devs and artists alike. Hell, even gameplay wise you have far more choices and experimentations in the game mechanics. Either it is a hit or a miss is subjective but does not deny its existence.
Development time doesn't equal a good result. Fact is, the aggregated opinion on Destiny 2 story was: "we're glad it now has a story, even if it isn't that good". And again beauty is in the eye of the beholder and you might have liked it. I just didn't think much of it overall. Some cool moments but that was it.

There is no denying that they had a low point in their player base until Warmind which was a bit better but really short.
I'm so glad you're an actual adult instead of the shitposters from the hugbox.

Getting back on Warframe, their monetization architecture being on the core of the game and on all its aspects allow Digital Extreme to have their game F2P (don't forget also that they're subsidiaries of Leyou which inject funds for them to develop the game too). That's mainly the difference which makes it not a good comparison in my opinion. What I believe Bungie could handle with its microtransactions is the battle pass with some parts of a season (excluding raids).
Warframe has been a runaway financial success. and it fully funds itself and is profitable, Leyou has just been funding whatever other game their making (and if you aren't aware, they bought DE a couple years back or so, DE were independent until then). Bungie has a Chinese sugar daddy too. And the comparison is fair, when it comes what things you do within the game, things are quite similar.
 

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Yeap I play the game as a role of Guardian so I can call me a Guardian in that game.
Do you have any problem with that?
Except this forum isn't the game, Santa's little elf.

arguments without any arguments lol
Great, that means you won't have any trouble rebutting every single of these:

You still haven't even commented on the monumental failure of Destiny 2 first year. What's your opinion on Bungie feeding you false xp numbers to pressure you into buying microtransactions?

How about you feel ashamed about being incapable of facing the reality of Destiny 2 first year:


With a dwindling playerbase, Bungie had to respond with videos like these:


And over a series of videos they detailed their plan to destroy and discard most of the gameplay design of Destiny 2 as it launched in order to attempt to salvage the game from shutting down before the year 2 expansion hit.

That actually happened and here you are, in bad faith, pretending all of this never happened, just to attempt to shut down someone who's saying things you don't like. You are miserable.

How long are you going to attempt to deny things that actually happened just to keep up the facade that the first year of Destiny 2 was nothing but an unmitigated disaster and you're posting to derail the thread so people cannot be allowed to say that they don't like Destiny 2?

Seriously, you're just going to spin another shitpost or are you going to address the facts presented?
 
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Except this forum isn't the game, Santa's little elf.



Great, that means you won't have any trouble rebutting every single of these:

You still haven't even commented on the monumental failure of Destiny 2 first year. What's your opinion on Bungie feeding you false xp numbers to pressure you into buying microtransactions?

How about you feel ashamed about being incapable of facing the reality of Destiny 2 first year:


With a dwindling playerbase, Bungie had to respond with videos like these:


And over a series of videos they detailed their plan to destroy and discard most of the gameplay design of Destiny 2 as it launched in order to attempt to salvage the game from shutting down before the year 2 expansion hit.

That actually happened and here you are, in bad faith, pretending all of this never happened, just to attempt to shut down someone who's saying things you don't like. You are miserable.

How long are you going to attempt to deny things that actually happened just to keep up the facade that the first year of Destiny 2 was nothing but an unmitigated disaster and you're posting to derail the thread so people cannot be allowed to say that they don't like Destiny 2?

Seriously, you're just going to spin another shitpost or are you going to address the facts presented?
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Bitmap Frogs

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Comeon little child. Face your fears.

You still haven't even commented on the monumental failure of Destiny 2 first year. What's your opinion on Bungie feeding you false xp numbers to pressure you into buying microtransactions?

How about you feel ashamed about being incapable of facing the reality of Destiny 2 first year:


With a dwindling playerbase, Bungie had to respond with videos like these:


And over a series of videos they detailed their plan to destroy and discard most of the gameplay design of Destiny 2 as it launched in order to attempt to salvage the game from shutting down before the year 2 expansion hit.

That actually happened and here you are, in bad faith, pretending all of this never happened, just to attempt to shut down someone who's saying things you don't like. You are miserable.

How long are you going to attempt to deny things that actually happened just to keep up the facade that the first year of Destiny 2 was nothing but an unmitigated disaster and you're posting to derail the thread so people cannot be allowed to say that they don't like Destiny 2?

Seriously, you're just going to spin another shitpost or are you going to address the facts presented?
 
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Comeon little child. Face your fears.

You still haven't even commented on the monumental failure of Destiny 2 first year. What's your opinion on Bungie feeding you false xp numbers to pressure you into buying microtransactions?

How about you feel ashamed about being incapable of facing the reality of Destiny 2 first year:


With a dwindling playerbase, Bungie had to respond with videos like these:


And over a series of videos they detailed their plan to destroy and discard most of the gameplay design of Destiny 2 as it launched in order to attempt to salvage the game from shutting down before the year 2 expansion hit.

That actually happened and here you are, in bad faith, pretending all of this never happened, just to attempt to shut down someone who's saying things you don't like. You are miserable.

How long are you going to attempt to deny things that actually happened just to keep up the facade that the first year of Destiny 2 was nothing but an unmitigated disaster and you're posting to derail the thread so people cannot be allowed to say that they don't like Destiny 2?

Seriously, you're just going to spin another shitpost or are you going to address the facts presented?
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Most F2P games are scummy in terms of the way they monitize themselves. Hard to call anything free a scam though. You just need to be an informed customer. And tell them to piss off with the F2P non sense.
 

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There should be limits on how often you copy and repost your own reposts. Otherwise you end up with walls of what are effectively spam - however righteous you feel you are in doing it.

Reposting essentially the same large post six times in less than 24 hours - the last two times only 3 posts and one minute apart - with slight variations and personal insults is clearly not going to garner a positive result.
 
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You are a supposedly 37 year old who believes he's a guardian and stans so much for a videogame company, you are forced to post here.

You still haven't even commented on the monumental failure of Destiny 2 first year. What's your opinion on Bungie feeding you false xp numbers to pressure you into buying microtransactions?

How about you feel ashamed about being incapable of facing the reality of Destiny 2 first year:


With a dwindling playerbase, Bungie had to respond with videos like these:


And over a series of videos they detailed their plan to destroy and discard most of the gameplay design of Destiny 2 as it launched in order to attempt to salvage the game from shutting down before the year 2 expansion hit.

That actually happened and here you are, in bad faith, pretending all of this never happened, just to attempt to shut down someone who's saying things you don't like. You are miserable.

How long are you going to attempt to deny things that actually happened just to keep up the facade that the first year of Destiny 2 was nothing but an unmitigated disaster and you're posting to derail the thread so people cannot be allowed to say that they don't like Destiny 2?

Seriously, you're just going to spin another shitpost or are you going to address the facts presented?
 
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There should be limits on how often you copy and repost your own reposts. Otherwise you end up with walls of what are effectively spam - however righteous you feel you are in doing it.

Reposting essentially the same large post six times in less than 24 hours - the last two times only 3 posts and one minute apart - with slight variations and personal insults is clearly not going to garner a positive result.
How about limits on how often you can troll a thread?

It goes both ways, he shitposts, I post a wall of text.

He still refuses to acknowledge the information contained in that post, so it is still relevant to post it.
 
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How about limits on how often you can troll a thread?

It goes both ways, he shitposts, I post a wall of text.

He still refuses to acknowledge the information contained in that post, so it is still relevant to post it.
It's now eight times, I think, that you've reposted posted that, five on this page alone. If he's not acknowledging it after the first three or four or five or six times, nothing is going to change that.

All you're doing is saturating people's screens with large repeated posts, making it practically impossible for this thread to be about anything other than your demands of a poster that simply isn't going to give you what you want.

Perhaps ethomaz is trying to wind you up. Perhaps your're trying to wind ethomaz up. But only one person is trying to drown out everything else, like a screaming child on a plane, until they get what they want.

You win nothing by monopolising screen area in a thread, with a message repeated to the point of it becoming intolerable. You win nothing, but everyone else loses the ability to use the thread.

Don't blame someone else for this. You're choosing to do it, even knowing you won't get what you want.
 

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It's now eight times, I think, that you've reposted posted that, five on this page alone. If he's not acknowledging it after the first three or four or five or six times, nothing is going to change that.

All you're doing is saturating people's screens with large repeated posts, making it practically impossible for this thread to be about anything other than your demands of a poster that simply isn't going to give you what you want.
It's as easy for me to just copy paste as it is easy for him to post some inane shit. So I will continue to do so.

If you care so much about walls of text, you can talk to him.

He and the rest of the shitposters from the hugbox thread are not shutting this down. And neither are you.
 
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Yeah they definitely messed up hard. I think part of that was their own fault for listening to people who wanted things so casual, and for a conflict in creative direction for the series. Vanilla D2 was a disaster, static roles, game play feeling way too slow etc. But I have respect for a dev team who not only acknowledged their mistakes, but worked to fix them.

Bungie transparency and communication in the TWABS is something the whole industry can learn from. The massive three part directors cut, from Luke Smith was amazing and 2 hour long massive video which was live at Bungie digging down into the present state of D2, the future for the series and everything else was really great.

I've been following this journey since the start, and the very last thing they are about is to scam anyone.

To me that's obvious to anyone who cares to follow their twabs and vidocs.
 

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Yeah they definitely messed up hard. I think part of that was their own fault for listening to people who wanted things so casual, and for a conflict in creative direction for the series. Vanilla D2 was a disaster, static roles, game play feeling way too slow etc. But I have respect for a dev team who not only acknowledged their mistakes, but worked to fix them.

Bungie transparency and communication in the TWABS is something the whole industry can learn from. The massive three part directors cut, from Luke Smith was amazing and 2 hour long massive video which was live at Bungie digging down into the present state of D2, the future for the series and everything else was really great.

I've been following this journey since the start, and the very last thing they are about is to scam anyone.

To me that's obvious to anyone who cares to follow their twabs and vidocs.
That is actually what happened.

Destiny 2 is a direct child of the praise The Taken King received from gamers (most that did not play the game regularly but they were big vocal about their hate with Destiny).
Anybody that have any ideia about what Destiny was knows The Taken King did one step forward two steps backward.

Bugie trying to cater that circle choose a lot of bad design decisions... maybe Activision forced them to do what that vocal circle of gamers wanted instead to fulfill their own ideias... maybe not.

That said... Destiny 2 is now probably the best shape Destiny ever was.
The last three expansions were all done with what made Destiny awesome in the past.
 
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Yeah I think Shadowkeep is a really good step into their MMO vision. I'm glad they learnt from their mistakes, and breaking up with Activision to be able to have creative freedom shows integrity and huge commitment to the future of the series.
 
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Yeah I think Shadowkeep is a really good step into their MMO vision. I'm glad they learnt from their mistakes, and breaking up with Activision to be able to have creative freedom shows integrity and huge commitment to the future of the series.
I'm still a bit sceptic though.

The Eververse was Bungie's own idea, not Activision.
 
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I'm still a bit sceptic though.

The Eververse was Bungie's own idea, not Activision.
Very true. But we wouldn't have gotten Zero Hour without the whisper cosmetic being sold so I'm also conflicted.

It really is a double edged sword. But overall I've never felt the mtxs are as insidious/egregious as other games.
 
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Very true. But we wouldn't have gotten Zero Hour without the whisper cosmetic being sold so I'm also conflicted.

It really is a double edged sword. But overall I've never felt the mtxs are as insidious/egregious as other games.
Everyone wants to look cool or find a getup that appeals to them, specially in rpgs.

That's why cosmetics are so succesful as a microtransaction. It also means detuning the coolness of the readily available gear to funnel people to the shop is a very succesful strategy. At the end of the day, you pay a price for microtransactions even if you don't buy them.
 

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Everyone wants to look cool or find a getup that appeals to them, specially in rpgs.

That's why cosmetics are so succesful as a microtransaction. It also means detuning the coolness of the readily available gear to funnel people to the shop is a very succesful strategy. At the end of the day, you pay a price for microtransactions even if you don't buy them.
Yup totally agree. But when some of those MTXs fund amazing content and new exotics I get really conflicted.

But when it's MTXs for the sake of MTXs then it gets really greedy and not needed.

Tbh I miss the old days of buying a game to get everything. Just a cart and your console. No live service, no dlc, no season pass and no MTXS. Just pure gaming for the sake of gaming.
 
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It's as easy for me to just copy paste as it is easy for him to post some inane shit. So I will continue to do so.

If you care so much about walls of text, you can talk to him.

He and the rest of the shitposters from the hugbox thread are not shutting this down. And neither are you.
I don't want to shut you down - you're entitled to your opinion and to share it.

The carpet bombing of the thread ended up coming from you though, and that serves neither you nor anyone else. If you fear a loss of control of the thread so much that you'll destroy it, well, your point is lost anyway.

You're a literate, thinking man. Why the hell would you chose to take a scorched earth approach to a thread just because a single person won't give you what you want?

I haven't played D2. I might. I know it's not a scam, as your OP suggests, because I'm not a fuckwit. But I also understand this business model has been forced upon Bungie and this is not mere charity from them.

How about you turn down the intensity and the rhetoric and engage with people? You can do that, and add a whole lot more to the conversation if only you'd do that.
 

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I don't want to shut you down - you're entitled to your opinion and to share it.

The carpet bombing of the thread ended up coming from you though, and that serves neither you nor anyone else. If you fear a loss of control of the thread so much that you'll destroy it, well, your point is lost anyway.

You're a literate, thinking man. Why the hell would you chose to take a scorched earth approach to a thread just because a single person won't give you what you want?

I haven't played D2. I might. I know it's not a scam, as your OP suggests, because I'm not a fuckwit. But I also understand this business model has been forced upon Bungie and this is not mere charity from them.

How about you turn down the intensity and the rhetoric and engage with people? You can do that, and add a whole lot more to the conversation if only you'd do that.
How about you stop pretending being anything but a troll in a fancier garb? Because that's what you are. You're doing the same they're doing except you're running an obvious concern troll.

The moment you side with the twats from the destiny hugbox that attempted to get this shutdown is the moment you give up your disguise.

None, none of the shitposters wanted anything but an excuse to derail the thread. And while they were attempting to do so, you did nothing. In fact, you supported them. so fuck you.

Let me be clear: you are uninterested in discussing this thread's topic, you are concern trolling and you are defending the shitposters that attempted to take this down. Get out and go home.

In fact, if you actually care about the level of discourse what the fuck are you doing derailing the discussion you raging hyprocrite.
 
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Yup totally agree. But when some of those MTXs fund amazing content and new exotics I get really conflicted.

But when it's MTXs for the sake of MTXs then it gets really greedy and not needed.

Tbh I miss the old days of buying a game to get everything. Just a cart and your console. No live service, no dlc, no season pass and no MTXS. Just pure gaming for the sake of gaming.
Oh yeah, that was nice.

But suits get a hard on from recurring revenue so here we are =/
 
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How about you stop pretending being anything but a troll in a fancier garb? Because that's what you are. You're doing the same they're doing except you're running an obvious concern troll.

The moment you side with the twats from the destiny hugbox that attempted to get this shutdown is the moment you give up your disguise.

Let me be clear: you are uninterested in discussing this thread's topic, you are concern trolling and you are defending the shitposters that attempted to take this down. Get out and go home.
Oh fuck off. I'm not interested in being some kind of shitty opponent to your delusional majesty.

Go and manufacture some kind of scenario in which you are a sincere, considered hero whilst also never ever tackling an infogram about what's paid for and what's free.

If you can copy and paste the same post eight (or more) times and then call someone else a troll you are unstable.

Let me guess ... the walls of reality are already reforming to allow you to be a righteous victim and hammer down on an imaginary, unreal battleground.
 

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How about you stop pretending being anything but a troll in a fancier garb? Because that's what you are. You're doing the same they're doing except you're running an obvious concern troll.

The moment you side with the twats from the destiny hugbox that attempted to get this shutdown is the moment you give up your disguise.

None, none of the shitposters wanted anything but an excuse to derail the thread. And while they were attempting to do so, you did nothing. In fact, you supported them. so fuck you.

Let me be clear: you are uninterested in discussing this thread's topic, you are concern trolling and you are defending the shitposters that attempted to take this down. Get out and go home.

In fact, if you actually care about the level of discourse what the fuck are you doing derailing the discussion you raging hyprocrite.
I can't even respond to your insane, psychotic posts because you change them so much in the time I'm trying to respond to the first version of your insane, delusion driven version.

Your fuckwit inner demons come up with a new, even shittier version while I'm trying to respond to the first maelstrom of cuntery.
 
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Oh fuck off. I'm not interested in being some kind of shitty opponent to your delusional majesty.

Go and manufacture some kind of scenario in which you are a sincere, considered hero whilst also never ever tackling an infogram about what's paid for and what's free.

If you can copy and paste the same post eight (or more) times and then call someone else a troll you are unstable.

Let me guess ... the walls of reality are already reforming to allow you to be a righteous victim and hammer down on an imaginary, unreal battleground.
You either discuss the thread topic and related stuff or you're derailing the thread.

And since you're not discussing the topic, you are here just to derail the thread.

So you are just another troll. A fancier one, but just a troll.

Fuck you and get out.
 
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You either discuss the thread topic and related stuff or you're derailing the thread.

And since you're not discussing the topic, you are here just to derail the thread.

So you are just another troll. A fancier one, but just a troll.

Fuck you and get out.
You post the same thing 8 times in a row in a scorched earth diarrhea manner, and someone else is derailing the thread?

Thread topic: "Destiny 2 f2p is a scam"

Analysis: everything is massively legal and clear, and they even give you a handy chart so you know what's free and what you have to pay for. If you play through the free stuff and want to continue then .... they want that?

You don't want to talk about the topic, about the thread, because everyone thinks you're a liar. It's not scam. It's just a game with a free element, with them hoping you'll pay for the new stuff.

And maybe it's worth that, and maybe it's not.

But you have failed utterly to make the case that it's a scam. You've succeeded only in being a pathetic, miserable man who makes demands of people that he's simply not worthy of.
 
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This user has been removed from thread. Dial it back on the personal attacks and disingenuous trolling.
But you have failed utterly to make the case that it's a scam. You've succeeded only in being a pathetic, miserable man who makes demands of people that he's simply hot worthy of.
Let's examine the facts: why one of the piles of human refuse from the hugbox is repeatedly shitposting and derailing, you come here to complain not about the shitposter, but about the method I chose to deal with him.

You proceed to complain about me pretending to care about the discussion and the thread.

When called upon the fact that despite your pretense to care about the thread and its legibility, all you are doing is the same as the shitposter, you go apeshit.

At this point, 5 posts into the thread, you are yet to discuss the topic at hand.

You were trolling from the first post, you are still trolling and your feeble attempts at camouflage are a failure.

In fact, you care so much about decency and good forum manners that you WILL reply to this post. Not to discuss the topic of the thread, which you never cared about, but only to perpetuate a shitposting tirade.

At this point tho, you've started to talk about the real reason you entered the thread: your dislike at the fact I was asking a shit poster to acknowledge some basic facts about the topic at hand. That's what really, bothers you.

You, are a troll. You are a bad troll since you were spotted on your first post.

Fuck you and get out.
 

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Since there was a call to engage productively here, I'll bite:
I've owned D2 since launch but bounced off pretty hard once the red war campaign was over. I wanted more but there wasn't really anything there that was accessible and enjoyable for me. No text chat on PC back then either so coordinating without a mic was harder. Skipped Osiris and Warmind based on impressions from others - it seemed a bit rich at the time for them to be asking me for more cash for a bit more content and so soon. Being locked out of certain content that was previously available in the base game was a bad misstep too.
I can't do strikes now? Well fuck you too, then Destiny. This did get fixed alongside other issues but a lot of the damage was done.

I came back after favourable Forsaken reviews and once the first two content packs were finally bundled with Forsaken. Much better game at this point and healthier for it. The annual pass was a bit of a rollercoaster but they tried new things and at least seem to be learning what does and doesn't work. Time will tell.

I really can't understand how the current situation fits any definition of a "scam" nor understand the hateboner that you seem to possess for the game, OP - I expect I'm not alone given the ratio of mocking posts in this thread. I don't see it as "anyone who likes D2 is correct and anyone that disagrees is wrong". Likewise, you don't seem to like D2 very much but that doesn't mean those of us that do are just victims of Stockholm Syndrome. The broad strokes "hugbox Destiny 2 shill" brush you keep throwing around is laughable and massively undermines your own thread and is probably why so few want to engage seriously.

Back to the F2P side of things: I've also casually played Guild Wars 2 on and off since launch. Situation there is similar. Started out as a normal "buy to play" MMO with an in game shop. Crucially, like Destiny, it never really got in the way of playing. This can't be said for a lot of F2P games. Now GW2 has two expansions and the base game is "free to play" with some restrictions.

I don't see what Arenanet are doing with GW2 as a scam either. It just makes sense to me. I've read so many times that releasing expansions for games (versus a standalone release) massively impacts sales as it inherently limits the sales of the expansion. Rarely do people buy the expansion and full price base game at the same time on the basis of the expansion being great i.e. After a certain point the base acts as a hindrance, a real mental or financial barrier to entry. You see it a lot across the industry now in games with long term content: free or frequently cheap base game alongside sizeable DLC that doesn't get as deep a discount for a good while. It works, apparently.
 
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Let's examine the facts: why one of the piles of human refuse from the hugbox is repeatedly shitposting and derailing, you come here to complain not about the shitposter, but about the method I chose to deal with him.

You proceed to complain about me pretending to care about the discussion and the thread.

When called upon the fact that despite your pretense to care about the thread and its legibility, all you are doing is the same as the shitposter, you go apeshit.

At this point, 5 posts into the thread, you are yet to discuss the topic at hand.

You were trolling from the first post, you are still trolling and your feeble attempts at camouflage are a failure.

In fact, you care so much about decency and good forum manners that you WILL reply to this post. Not to discuss the topic of the thread, which you never cared about, but only to perpetuate a shitposting tirade.

At this point tho, you've started to talk about the real reason you entered the thread: your dislike at the fact I was asking a shit poster to acknowledge some basic facts about the topic at hand. That's what really, bothers you.

You, are a troll. You are a bad troll since you were spotted on your first post.

Fuck you and get out.
Out of that entire, insane diatribe, which sentence should I focus on as evidence of D2 being a scam?

You say so much, so forcefully, but none of it is actually backed up by reasoning or logic.

Give it a go. Try. What makes D2 a scam?
 

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Remember when Destiny 1 came out and you started the game from the same spot.... that's when I traded in and gave up on this franchine....

I am glad I did, as there is nothing worth playing or paying and time is not worth investing in this franchise...

I know a lot of nut_huggers back then also said ... "Oh maaan.. you are missing out at the "net_Code" of competitive is the best on console.... " blah blah blah...
 

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Shadowkeep is mostly recycled content from Destiny 1. Bungie is playing you guys.
 
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