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Destiny |OT3| Oh sweet a Legen- wait never mind, it's a rare.

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Heroman

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Hawkian said:
Just Angry (no stagger).

Dunno if more bigass info posts will be desirable, but I've also been putting down some thoughts on Exotic Weapon Bounties (lots of questions about these), and advanced gameplay tips (elemental damage, subclass management, consumables, chaining supers, whatever else belongs).
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Hawk, I would like to added that people should go for vanguard gear. I stupidly easily to get a 100 mark, you can do it in a few hours by doing public events.
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Seventy_X_Seven said:
What's the best way to get ascendant shards?
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The Daily Heroic on 24+ will award them (and other rare mats), as will Crucible win loot and (very rarely) other stuff...

Unfortunately it is looking like dismantling Legendary gear is going to be one of the most consistent ways to get them. You've definitely identified one of the rarest if not the toughest crafting mat to obtain.
 
MidEvlDed

MidEvlDed

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Wallach said:
It's nearly the only scenario I have seen the drop in matchmaking work, though. Like when someone drops at the start of a strike, I have only ever seen that spot filled when the last boss is engaged. Similarly I have been dropped many times into final boss fights in progress, but I can't think of hardly any times I've come into an in-progress strike earlier than that.
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I have also been added to the final boss a couple of times, but never earlier.
 
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IAmRandom31

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My partner in a lv 22 Vanguard strike found a legendary engrem. End of game I have 150 kills to his 90, revived them 18 times. Nothing.

Game hates me!
 
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DesertFox

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Hawkian said:
PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE A NEW LEVEL 20, FRUSTRATED LOOT FARMER, OR ANYONE GETTING ANNOYED BY RNG IN GENERAL
/snip.
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Awesome post. I was just about to post asking exactly how much light is needed to get each level. GAF never fails to deliver.
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
hydruxo said:
Fantastic guide Hawkian. You're awesome for making that.
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NullPointer said:
Great work. This'll definitely be my guide.
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SnakeEyes said:
Excellent guide dude, good work.
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Thanks a bunch guys. If you have any questions... well... smart money says I'll be here
Heroman said:
Hawk, I would like to added that people should go for vanguard gear. I stupidly easily to get a 100 mark, you can do it in a few hours by doing public events.
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I agree to an extent- the Vanguard is the source of both my Legendaries. However, some people really love PvP and aren't so into the PvE options, so I wanted to make it clear that it is completely their choice.
 
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Ken

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Bitmap Frogs said:
That's actually not true.

The real issue is that Bungie left the goodies in the drop table of trash mobs which means it's a lower effort to sit on skywatch for hours than doing the nightfalls, raids, etc.

Bungie made a lot of design mistakes, but I swear some of you people are just bandwagoning.
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I think the bigger issue is that they didn't make guaranteed blue+ engrams a reward from running strikes, so after you cap your marks, there's not much PVE content that's worth running, Nightfall and raid aside (although if you can do Nightfall and raid you're not really hurting for gear anyways).

Strikes are pretty much this game's dungeons, and it's kind of baffling that the level 24 Strike playlist don't provide you with entry-level Raid gear.
 
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Oni Link 666

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I feel like I should be getting some random loot after completing a story mission on heroic. Don't do the roll like you're going to give me something when there is no chance of getting anything.
 
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Patroclos

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Hawkian said:
PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE A NEW LEVEL 20, FRUSTRATED LOOT FARMER, OR ANYONE GETTING ANNOYED BY RNG IN GENERAL
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Awesome job. I am certain that you have made a more enjoyable experience for some people with this. You should feel good. Keep it up! This should be required reading for RNG bitchers.
 
KanameYuuki

KanameYuuki

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Is Destiny on PS3 good enough? I don't have a PS4 yet and I kinda want to play Destiny, I don't know if I should just wait and get the PS4 version because I don't really feel like playing another PS3 game with performance issues.

Also, Are there a lot of PS3 Gaffers Playing? the raid sounds a lot fun and challenging and I want to try it.
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Ken said:
I think the bigger issue is that they didn't make guaranteed blue+ engrams a reward from running strikes, so after you cap your marks, there's not much PVE content that's worth running, Nightfall and raid aside (although if you can do Nightfall and raid you're not really hurting for gear anyways).
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Well, I pretty much agree except for the need to get blue engrams . After you cap your marks, run the Daily Heroic (Ascendant Materials, possibly more at 26+) each day and Weekly Heroic (Strange Coins) at some point, you are quite right. Truthfully, you have played quite a lot of Destiny in a given week if you do this. It's okay for that to be it til the next week.

Strikes are pretty much this game's dungeons, and it's kind of baffling that the level 24 Strike playlist don't provide you with entry-level Raid gear.
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Marks are getting you entry-level raid gear. I'd say that's the primary purpose of strike playlists.
Oni Link 666 said:
I feel like I should be getting some random loot after completing a story mission on heroic. Don't do the roll like you're going to give me something when there is no chance of getting anything.
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There is a chance, it's just low. :p
 
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jetjevons

Bish loves my games!
Hawkian said:
PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE A NEW LEVEL 20, FRUSTRATED LOOT FARMER, OR ANYONE GETTING ANNOYED BY RNG IN GENERAL

First off, if the above doesn't apply to you, and you're just having fun, and feel like you can keep playing the game until you stop having fun, then ignore all of this. Rewards will come as you play, even without realizing it, and before you know it you'll be able to get sweeeeeet loot all your own.

Now then...



So close!

I've seen a lot of confusion, frustration, misunderstanding, and even misinformation with regard to gearing up post-level 20 in Destiny. I wanted to at least prepare a guide to demonstrate how, with relatively minimal effort over a short period of real time, you can reach Level 26 without needing to rely on RNG at all. Again, everything prescribed in this guide is completely and 100% divorced from any RNG/random chance/luck. Can't stress this enough and how important it is to enjoying the game- I have received zero "lucky drops" so far, yet I'm currently about 3 or 4 points of Light from my goal, 8 days from release (or one day after the raid unlocked).

To avoid getting overwhelmed, focus on one mini-goal at a time (each is in red like this). You can skip down to the first one if you'd like. Everything else is just helpful surrounding info.

If you're used to traditional loot games- anything in the vein of Diablo or Borderlands- a lot of this is going to seem counter-intuitive and even infuriating. You have to unlearn a LOT of habits to get the most from it. But as someone who has been playing with an open mind and enjoying myself every step of the way so far, I have to say that my overall impression of the system at this point is highly positive. It's satisfying, it's simple to make significant progress, it has tangible impact and (maybe most importantly) it is totally accessible to casual players.

The first thing we need to discuss is the difference between XP and Light.

Light versus XP
Reaching level 20 in Destiny via XP is relatively simple and quick. However, as soon as you do, you'll notice that your XP bar is no longer going up toward level 21 as you kill things, turn in bounties, etc.

First of all, you ARE still gaining XP at this stage, make no mistake!

XP after level 20 offers the following:
  • Continues to level up your class abilities; once you have maxed your chosen subclass, remember you can switch to the other and continue leveling that up too. You can switch between them at will, even mid-combat if needed.
  • Continues to unlock your equipped gear's upgrades
  • At every instant when you would have "leveled" from XP, you instead get a Mote of Light (a currency, explained later)

So that's all good stuff! But it won't get you to 21.

Light is a stat on Rare-or-better armor (NOT weapons, ever) that has no impact on anything except raising your light level. It is independent of the character-stats on the gear. I have nothing really to compare it to, personally. I haven't played every game with gear progression but I just don't know any examples that wouldn't just confuse the issue to bring up. I wouldn't say it's "groundbreaking" or "revolutionary" by any stretch of the imagination, but I do consider it unique.

Basically, instead of making steady progress via XP to your next level, you make steady progress toward your next piece of gear or gear upgrade- which then provides you a huge chunk of "XP" all at once. It's entirely possible and likely that during your quest to 26, you'll jump an entire level and be partway to your next one in an instant, and may immediately feel the effects.

Your level (and thus your "Light level") has two primary impacts:
  1. The damage you deal to, and damage you take from, monsters below, at, and above your level. I unlocked an armor upgrade in the middle of a strike which put me over to 25, and I could immediately feel more damage being done to the now-below-my-level enemies.
  2. Your loot drops. The personal loot table that the game rolls against seems to be completely tied to your level at the moment the roll occurs. I didn't see a single piece of base level 20 rare gear, for example, until hitting level 22.

Of course, your level also signifies if you are or aren't ready for higher-level content, such as the Weekly Nightfall, and of course the Vault of Glass.

Here are the breakpoints for each level- it takes 20 light to get from 20 to 21, 12 from 20 to 22, and 11 for each light level thereafter:


"So how do you get it?"

To answer that, let's introduce our first short-term goal:
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Mini-goal #1 (Levels 20-24): Obtain a Set of Maxed Lvl. 20 Rare Gear
Equipping Rare (blue) gear that has light on it will immediately show some progress toward level 21.

The base level of a rare item determines how much light it can potentially have. Furthermore, when a piece of gear with light on it gets upgraded with an armor upgrade (the one that increases defense), its light will also go up.

So the ideal rare set is all four pieces with a base level of 20, and all four fully upgraded. That will make 4x15 = 60 Light, putting you squarely into Level 24.

Where do you get rare gear? Rare engrams, which can drop anywhere at all (decrypt at the cryptarch), or outright rewards from a chest, Strike or Crucible match. For now don't worry about the stats on a drop besides the Light. If it is a higher base level or has higher +Light, replace what you're currently wearing. Little by little you'll make your way to a full set of maxed 20 blues.

"Wait a minute, that's random drops! You said literally no RNG was needed!"
That's true, you got me. Rare (blue) gear you will find from random drops. But I get a pass because:​
  • Unlike Legendaries and Exotics, and despite the name, Rares are... not that rare. I'm already deleting them on the regular even though I don't have legendaries in the slots they're for.
  • Technically, you COULD skip this mini-goal altogether. Unless I've missed something, you could save up, and go from wearing all greens to Legendary gear directly, gaining 3+ levels in one fell swoop.
But seriously, Rare gear is not too tough to come across by playing.

Continue/finish off the story missions, complete bounties, do the side stories, do the daily heroic, hop in some strikes, do some PvP if it interests you, help out friends with their stuff. In gameplay terms, 20-24 is a great period to really come to grips with the advanced capabilities of your subclass while unlocking its last few abilities.

As you do the things that you'll want to do to put yourself on the path to legendary gear, you are likely to hit 24 in the process. Either way- whether you have a full set of maxed rares or not- you can start on mini-goal #2.

Mini-goal #2 (Level 25): Earning Your First Legendary
Now we're talking... Legendary gear. You want it, I want more of it, players are farming the same exact areas a dozen hours over for a chance at it.

How do you get it reliably and concretely? By earning Reputation, which allows you the right to purchase it from certain vendors in the Tower, and Marks, the currency that you will use to buy it. You will earn and choose the exact gear that you want for your character, and be able to buy and equip it immediately once you have Rank 2 at the vendor, and the requisite marks. This will be your piece of gear, that you chose and earned without relying on luck.

Here are the Vendors that will sell you Legendary Armor:

  • Your Class Vanguard (or the Vanguard for another class if buying armor for another character). For example, Cayde-6 for Hunters.
  • Lord Shaxx, Crucible Handler
  • Faction vendors:
    • Executor Hideo, New Monarchy
    • Lakshmi-2, Future War Cult
    • Arach Jalaal, Dead Orbit
You can look at all this gear (and preview it) by talking to the vendor NPC. The different factions offer different stat distributions and you can choose between them based on that, or hell, whatever you feel like. Most important thing is that any single piece you buy, no matter from whom, will be +18 Light.

By earning Reputation with either the Vanguard, the Crucible, or one of the Factions, you'll be on your way to your first legendary armor piece.

To purchase it, you'll need (for the vendor of your choice):
Rank 2
65 Marks (this will get you gauntlets, boots, or a chestpiece. Helms, for some reason, are 120.)

Let's take a look at the difference between Rep and Marks, and how you get what you need of each.

Reputation vs. Marks
Reputation is earned primarily by doing bounties.
Strikes and beacon missions (patrol) will also earn you small amounts of Rep.

Vanguard bounties offer Vanguard Rep and Crucible Bounties offer Crucible Rep. Strikes and beacon missions provide Vanguard Rep.

If you wish to get Faction gear, buy a Faction's class item from its vendor for a small amount of glimmer and equip it. At that point, any bounties, strikes, or patrols you do will be earning you Faction rank instead.

Earning enough reputation for either the Vanguard, Crucible, or your Faction will eventually level them up to Rank 2 (you can check this at the same vendor). At this point, all the armor they have is unlocked for sale, permanently.​

Marks are earned by doing Strikes and Public Events, along with your Daily Heroic Story and Weekly Heroic Strike (for Vanguard), or PvP (for Crucible). The Faction vendors all rely on Crucible Marks for currency.
You may earn a total of 100 Vanguard and 100 Crucible marks per week, with this cap resetting at 5:00AM EST on Tuesdays.​

This cap (which has already angered some) exists for two reasons:
  • To incentize you to return next week, rather than, necessarily, tomorrow
  • To artificially limit the rate at which those with the most time per day to devote are able to progress. This has proven upsetting to people who do have the time, but for the playerbase and game at large it is a good thing. Making it simply take less real-world time- not less time spent in-game, but fewer calendar days- to "max out" a character is not actually beneficial to the community, even though it seems like a great idea to the individual.
Because the prerequisites for this are a one-time unlock you can progress toward at your leisure, and the currencies are awarded frequently for activities that you only complete once a day or once a week, casual players have a surefire avenue toward their own progression. It might take some longer than others but it can't not happen given enough time.

When you hit Rank 2 and 65 marks, it's time to buy. Choose your gear and equip it immediately!

However, this will not put you quite to Level 25. 45 + 18 from your Legendary piece is 63- and Level 25 requires 65. To hit that, we'll need to upgrade your new Legendary's armor rating one time.

Upgrading Legendaries

Like any other item, Legendaries unlock useful upgrades as you gain XP while wearing them. On Legendary armor, there will be a number of "armor upgrades" that increase the item's Defense stat. For each of these upgrades, the item's Light will increase by 2.

At first, these upgrades will be relatively cheap and simple to do. But the later ones will require specific and sometimes rare crafting materials that come from all across the game.

To meet mini-goal #2, however, you just need to do the first one. Boom, you're 25. Fine work.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
 
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Heroman

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Hawkian said:
I agree to an extent- the Vanguard is the source of both my Legendaries. However, some people really love PvP and aren't so into the PvE options, so I wanted to make it clear that it is completely their choice.
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I mean if you are grinding for Purples than you probably want to do it the fasts. This method guarantees 16 mark per hour with the chance of 12 more if you are lucky.
 
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Ken

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Patroclos said:
This should be required reading for RNG bitchers.
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That's a really silly thing of you to say.

Hawkian said:
Truthfully, you have played quite a lot of Destiny in a given week if you do this. It's okay for that to be it til the next week.
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I feel like we're going in circles.

If the current goal for a level 20 is to hit level 26 to enter the raid, they have two options: marks or engram farming. To rule out one completely because it's "frustrating" speaks more about its broken design than anything else.
 
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Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Patroclos said:
Awesome job. I am certain that you have made a more enjoyable experience for some people with this.
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Thank you! I hope so. It was honestly making me kind of sad to see so much rage about drops while I, having received no drops yet myself, was watching my Light level creep higher and higher...
jetjevons said:
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Np! Don't quote the whole huge thing though! :D
NullPointer said:
Now write a guide to the story.

Good luck.
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I don't even have time to explain why I don't have time to do that
 
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RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
Wonderful write up, Hawkian. Will be using it as a reference.

Do want to talk about the Engram stuff though. I agree about the "Corrputed Engram" idea, it's pretty much the same solution I had but I also just want to add that the reason people think that those are the necessary way to progress. For the journey up to 20, that was where the useful gear came from. Destiny's progression is sort of the opposite of most games. You go from relying on the random drops to relying on vendors, whereas most games start with vendors and move up to random drops.
 
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matrixman92

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Does farming public events for ascendant stuff actually work? I usually get one material for the first one I beat in a day, maybe the second one also. But then I never get anymore, no matter how many more events I complete
 
Bitmap Frogs

Bitmap Frogs

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Ken said:
I think the bigger issue is that they didn't make guaranteed blue+ engrams a reward from running strikes, so after you cap your marks, there's not much PVE content that's worth running, Nightfall and raid aside (although if you can do Nightfall and raid you're not really hurting for gear anyways).

Strikes are pretty much this game's dungeons, and it's kind of baffling that the level 24 Strike playlist don't provide you with entry-level Raid gear.
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They sort of do... strikelist gear will get you to 24 at which point you can quickly and efficiently farm vanguard marks off the tiger strikes. Two maxed vanguard weeks and a few crucible rounds will get you to 26, which is raid-ready.

Blues are guaranteed rewards from the strikelist btw. At the end of a tiger strike you are getting 1 or 2 blues, likely 20, possibly19.

The noRNG progression is there, it's just that people feel it's easier to cap lvl 5 hive for hours. I still think that the problem is that Bungie left the chance of getting those items off trash mobs, that's terrible design. It's the kind of thing you'd expect in a diablo game, not an MMO. Imagine if you could get Ragnaros loot off the lvl 1 rats off the newbie town.
 
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