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News Game Dev Developers Begin to Weigh in on the Power Gap Between the Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5. Series X taking the power crown "from all accounts".

S0ULZB0URNE

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No they haven't. They've been shutting studio down until Phil took over as Head of Xbox. They acquired around 7 studios in just the last couple years, which is more than the 360-XB1 era combined.

Again, be better at being a troll. We all know some of you guys have your jimmies in a wrestle over the fact XSX is superior in power
I said since the OG XB.
Try harder
 

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I'm saying this as someone that's been playing Microsoft's games from the 90s. Perhaps they left me behind? Maybe I'm turning too old and shit isn't exciting me anymore? Who knows to be quite frank. But yes, I do have a shitload of Microsoft games from the 90s and 2000s but they're all PC. Perhaps it's my state of not being satisfied anymore? And Obsidian's RPGS have too much jank for me. Turn 10? Forza? Screw that. 343. Didn't they kill Halo after Bungie dipped?

But who knows. Perhaps I'm not the type of person they're advertising to anymore? Now you depressed me making me feel all old. I'm going to look at my boxes of Microsoft Entertainment Packs and remember when PC gaming fascinated me back in Windows 3.1

Obsidians last game was a GOTY candidate with an 86 Metacritic score. Maybe you prefer linear 5-10 hr cinematic games?
It does sound like you're getting older and maybe not as excited about gaming in general.
 

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It's not better than Nioh 2 and I doubt it sells half of what Nioh 2 sells even though it's double the price.

Ori is a nice Indy series though and I can't wait to play it in 60fps on XSX ;)
It is better than Nioh 2, as it's higher rated. Nioh 2 isn't a Sony 1st party game either. And I fully expect the Nioh series to come to Xbox like Yakuza, KH, Nier Automata etc..
 
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Obsidians last game was a GOTY candidate with an 86 Metacritic score. Maybe you prefer linear 5-10 hr cinematic games?
It does sound like you're getting older and maybe not as excited about gaming in general.
If I'm not excited about gaming, why am I still playing Doom, Duke3d, Wolf3d, Quake, Heretic, Hexen, Blood and AoE 1-2, Diablo and Warcraft 2?
 

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It is better than Nioh 2, as it's higher rated. Nioh 2 isn't a Sony 1st party game either. And I fully expect the Nioh series to come to Xbox like Yakuza, KH, Nier Automata etc..
Sony published it and it's only on PlayStation unlike Ori.
So what if a $29 Indy game gets rated a couple points higher.
Nioh is a much more successful franchise.
Ori is more likely to come to PlayStation than Nioh 2 is to come to XB.
 

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That has nothing to do with it being AAA or not....
AAA is not only budget for the game, but advertising hype, high scores, high user retention. Last game to do that was Halo Reach. Is Halo still played? Yeah. But it hasn't had those heights of the 360 era with 3 and Reach where they were shoving gamer fuel and dorritos down my throat. Halo is just kind of there. Halo is kind of like that call girl that seen better days. Yeah she's still kinda hot, but you can see the decline. Clients aren't fighting to get to her, she's starting to get crows feet on her face. That's Halo.
 

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AAA is not only budget for the game, but advertising hype, high scores, high user retention. Last game to do that was Halo Reach. Is Halo still played? Yeah. But it hasn't had those heights of the 360 era with 3 and Reach where they were shoving gamer fuel and dorritos down my throat. Halo is just kind of there. Halo is kind of like that call girl that seen better days. Yeah she's still kinda hot, but you can see the decline. Clients aren't fighting to get to her, she's starting to get crows feet on her face. That's Halo.
You guys can't just manipulate the meaning of shit at will and expect to be taken seriously.

AAA relates to the scope of development, team size, budget, marketing etc..

I'm not playing this shit show game with you clowns. Halo is AAA, Gears is AAA. It doesn't matter if they've fallen off a bit, the aforementioned is still an inarguable reality.
 

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Sony published it and it's only on PlayStation unlike Ori.
So what if a $29 Indy game gets rated a couple points higher.
Nioh is a much more successful franchise.
Ori is more likely to come to PlayStation than Nioh 2 is to come to XB.

You do know microsoft published ninja gaiden 1 and 2, and those games made thier way to the ps3.... wanna guess who was the developer
 
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You guys can't just manipulate the meaning of shit at will and expect to be taken seriously.

AAA relates to the scope of development, team size, budget, marketing etc..

I'm not playing this shit show game with you clowns. Halo is AAA, Gears is AAA. It doesn't matter if they've fallen off a bit, the aforementioned is still an inarguable reality.
You just admitted that they have fallen off. Do they still have the scope of development and team size? Sure, but that's creep with all games being made. But do they still have the cultural zeitgeist? The advertising? The sponsorship? Not like they used to. Everything makes it triple A. As much as it hurts my soul to say this, Smash Bros is AAA. Halo and Gears are not. God, I can taste the bile.
 
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Barely.

PS5 SSD: 8-9GB per second at maximum theoretical peak performance (how often will it actually hit this?) I'm willing to bet it will be closer to the stock 5GB bandwidth most of the time, than it will be to the maximum 9GB.

Even the slowest PC DDR4 RAM is 30-40GB per second, and those speeds are always available, and my tuned 3400Mhz PC RAM is close to 50GB per second.


Using SSD storage as an effective RAM substitute, is never going to happen.
This is what priority levels address I think. And data is arranged in games to get sequential read speeds.
 
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You just admitted that they have fallen off. Do they still have the scope of development and team size? Sure, but that's creep with all games being made. But do they still have the cultural zeitgeist? The advertising? The sponsorship? Not like they used to. Everything makes it triple A. As much as it hurts my soul to say this, Smash Bros is AAA. Halo and Gears are not. God, I can taste the bile.
AAA has no denotation to what happens with a game externally, 50 people could buy a game and it could score a 20 on Metacritic and if the scope of development, marketing and budget is high enough it's still a AAA game.

It relates directly to the effort and monetary value poured into it, not external influencing or reception.

Gears and Halo are still AAA franchises, no matter what you say or do this won't change. You guys are trying to revise reality, it's pathetically dumb.
 

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That seems a bit far fetched that they would be willing to make the equivalent of an Xsex cost wise and waste all that money on something that won't be any different. This isn't like Kinect where you can clearly see where the extra cost went. It has to have some real world benefit over the much cheaper ones that they could've gone with and beefed up their GPU
What's this? Common sense? How dare you post this here? Don't you know the people with a hard on for MS need to be protected from this to stay in denial and claim superiority despite having less than 35 percent the data available per second ingame compared to PS5?
 

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AAA has no denotation to what happens with a game externally, 50 people could buy a game and it could score a 20 on Metacritic and if the scope of development, marketing and budget is high enough it's still a AAA game.

It relates directly to the effort and monetary value poured into it, not external influencing or reception.

Gears and Halo are still AAA franchises, no matter what you say or do this won't change. You guys are trying to revise reality, it's pathetically dumb.
With how much money games cost and how big teams are almost everything is technically triple A now. Anything that's even a nominal budget and doesn't look like shit is what 30-50 mil now? Wasn't that the classification for an AAA game? Because technically by the metric you're spouting out, Timeshift, John Woo's Stranglehold, Lair, Clive Barker's Jericho, Kane and Lynch, Bionic Commando, Prototype and most of the shit last gen are all AAA productions. With the evolution of cost and team making this shit the optics for AAA have to have evolved with it.

Haze was triple A.
 
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Well no one is saying it's not useful, but practical application and results are something else entirely. There's only so much you can do, there's only so much that can be rendered or loaded into a scene, the SSD isn't a replacement for memory bandwidth, it's absurdly slow in comparison. People also forget how fast Microsoft's drive is as well and what they're doing with it, at minimum it's a 40x uplift in I/O.

Look at what an SSD has done for Sony's marketing, a fucking SSD.... With a factually weaker system people just gloss over that in its entirety and shout SSD! SSD!

It's turned a marketing blunder into something questionably positive and the funniest part in all of it is no one can actually explain how it will factually benefit in game design over Microsoft's system. People seem to forget that just because something can hypothetically stream in data faster that it also has to render it, and Sony is at a disadvantage here, they're also at a memory bandwidth disadvantage which is far more important.
Yeah you have exactly zero clue what you're talking about. It has already been shown, a million times how it benefits. Just because you ignore all that doesn't make it any less valid. There is no marketing blunder. Sony figured out what was important for next gen and focused on that, instead of Teraflops.
 
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You guys can't just manipulate the meaning of shit at will and expect to be taken seriously.

AAA relates to the scope of development, team size, budget, marketing etc..

I'm not playing this shit show game with you clowns. Halo is AAA, Gears is AAA. It doesn't matter if they've fallen off a bit, the aforementioned is still an inarguable reality.

Sorry buddy, Halo 4 and 5 are AAA shit... MS has wasted $$$ on this trash output since Reach.

Gears is definitely Top quality AAA and a system seller. ... and I would NEVER PLAY IT PC... even if I have 5 way PENTA 2080 TIs
 

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Yeah you have exactly zero clue what you're talking about. It has already been shown, a million times how it benefits. Just because you ignore all that doesn't make it any less valid. There is no marketing blunder. Sony figured out what was important for next gen and focused on that, instead of Teraflops.
You can recite technical figures you and about 400 other people on this board don't understand until the cows come home, but there's no factual basis for any kind of a divergence in game development between these systems as a result. No one has even been capable of explaining one and proving how it would actually come about.

You're being sold snake oil, and you're a reseller. That's your function here, you're not deep, you're not educated on the matter. You're a parrot.
 

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You can recite technical figures you and about 400 other people on this board don't understand until the cows come home, but there's no factual basis for any kind of a divergence in game development between these systems as a result. No one has even been capable of explaining one and proving how it would actually come about.

You're being sold snake oil, and you're a reseller. That's your function here, you're not deep, you're not educated on the matter. You're a parrot.
I'm fully educated on the matter. I know exactly how SSDs are going to be used next gen. You clearly don't.
 
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I'm fully educated on the matter. I know exactly how SSDs are going to be used next gen. You clearly don't.
No you're absolutely not, and like the 80 other people I've shot down with this; you like them can't produce any kind of divergent and functioning model as to how development would separate these systems because of an SSD.

You're class B bullshitters.
 
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So I'm playing Psyconauts on my XbX, (played it first on PS4) and the difference between the two (OG Box to PS2) is ACTUALLY staggering...

You know what WASNT staggering? The difference between the One and PS4, (25-30% difference) often resulting in a slightly blurry image or some reduced effects...

or the latter half of this gen with Pro/X (40-45% difference) same thing but in reverse lol

Considering specs put the new consoles at a considerably smaller difference (15-20%), and that we've yet to see any real world performances...what are you diehard loyalists (both sides) hoping for?

The likely outcome is in multiplatform both are fairly close with the more powerful having a "slight" edge or even out classing each other in their respective strengths, all while exclusives really show what each system can do...

But lol you're not getting a STAGGERING difference...those days are gone

(Seriously watch Splintercell Box vs PS2 on YT, it's funny how big a difference it was)
 
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Sorry buddy, Halo 4 and 5 are AAA shit... MS has wasted $$$ on this trash output since Reach.

Gears is definitely Top quality AAA and a system seller. ... and I would NEVER PLAY IT PC... even if I have 5 way PENTA 2080 TIs

DynamiteCop! is in complete meltdown if he thinks that Crackdown 3 is AAA material, massive budget and years and years of development for what amounted to a total POS.

There's a massive difference between AAA development and AAA "QUALITY".

Sadly XBOX quality has been in decline for sometime. Hopefully their new studio acquisitions will change that...time will tell.
 

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So I'm playing Psyconauts on my XbX, (played it first on PS4) and the difference between the two (OG Box to PS2) is ACTUALLY staggering...

You know what WASNT staggering? The difference between the One and PS4, (25-30% difference) often resulting in a slightly blurry image or some reduced effects...

or the latter half of this gen with Pro/X (40-45% difference) same thing but in reverse lol

Considering specs put the new consoles at a considerably smaller difference (15-20%), and that we've yet to see any real world performances...what are you diehard loyalists (both sides) hoping for?

The likely outcome is in multiplatform both are fairly close with the more powerful having a "slight" edge or even out classing each other in their respective strengths, all while exclusives really show what each system can do...

But lol you're not getting a STAGGERING difference...those days are gone

(Seriously watch Splintercell Box vs PS2 on YT, it's funny how big a difference it was)
That's because back in those days the architecture and hardware between systems was radically different so they had to approach rendering much differently. Like the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, the PlayStation 5 and Series X are merely differently configured branches of the same tree.
 

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Barely.

PS5 SSD: 8-9GB per second at maximum theoretical peak performance (how often will it actually hit this?) I'm willing to bet it will be closer to the stock 5GB bandwidth most of the time, than it will be to the maximum 9GB.

Even the slowest PC DDR4 RAM is 30-40GB per second, and those speeds are always available, and my tuned 3400Mhz PC RAM is close to 50GB per second.


Using SSD storage as an effective RAM substitute, is never going to happen.

Peak output off the decompression block is 22GB/s not 8-9GB/s. 8-9GB/s is the typical with compression I expect. The 5GB is the uncompressed bandwidth, should be higher then that a lot of the time (most game data can be compressed).

It should be noted that virtual memory does not mean what you think it means. You should read up on what it actually is, given the characteristics of the SSD its probably pretty well suited for being used as virtual memory.

Heres a pretty good example, from albeit awhile ago.

 

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DynamiteCop! is in complete meltdown if he thinks that Crackdown 3 is AAA material, massive budget and years and years of development for what amounted to a total POS.

There's a massive difference between AAA development and AAA "QUALITY".

Sadly XBOX quality has been in decline for sometime. Hopefully their new studio acquisitions will change that...time will tell.

yes, Crackdown 3 is a AAA level failure, and not to mention half a fucking decade of wasted resources. MS pumped AAA level $$$ to get GOAT's shit out of it.
 

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DynamiteCop! is in complete meltdown if he thinks that Crackdown 3 is AAA material, massive budget and years and years of development for what amounted to a total POS.

There's a massive difference between AAA development and AAA "QUALITY".

Sadly XBOX quality has been in decline for sometime. Hopefully their new studio acquisitions will change that...time will tell.
There's no telling what actually went into that game, whatever it was it should have been scrapped.
 

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yes, Crackdown 3 is a AAA level failure, and not to mention half a fucking decade of wasted resources. MS pumped AAA level $$$ to get GOAT's shit out of it.
I loved crackdown 1 &2 and the tech demo they showed was jaw dropping. I can't believe how bad that turned out. I was going to upgrade my S for an X purely for that game. Unreal.
 

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I loved crackdown 1 &2 and the tech demo they showed was jaw dropping. I can't believe how bad that turned out. I was going to upgrade my S for an X purely for that game. Unreal.
Out of pure curiosity why would you upgrade from an S to an X for that when the destruction was supposed to be handled via the cloud rendering the hardware you're using irrelevant?
 
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I loved crackdown 1 &2 and the tech demo they showed was jaw dropping. I can't believe how bad that turned out. I was going to upgrade my S for an X purely for that game. Unreal.

Yep, First Crackdown was one of the best things on Xbox. I was so impressed by it that I imported mine from Play-Asia only because I loved the cover art :)
 
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At least flops argument is grounded in reality unlike MUH SSD!!!!
MUH NAMEKS BRUH. It's grounded for now until we see some games. But has Sony ever been the most powerful console barring the fluke of the PS4? I'm waiting for the games war to happen. Can't wait for the new round of console wars. Just reading that shit fascinates me. Like Mousetrap.
 

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Out of pure curiosity why would you upgrade from an S to an X for that when the destruction was supposed to be handled via the cloud rendering the hardware you're using irrelevant?

A good question.
I want to support XBOX. Phil has turned around Xbox since his signing.
I felt they deserve my money for the direction they are going in + benefits of running in 4k :D
 
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And majority of game releases are multiplats, which will look and play best on XSX. And MS has invested in a lot more studio's since. We will see those games in the new gen. So I expect both companies to come out swinging in 1st party. You should play Ori and the Will of the Wisp, better than any PS4 exclusive released this year so far :)
I'm sure Ori 2 is great as was the 1st one but TLOU Part 2, Ghost of Tsushima and FF7 are coming :)

And Persona 5 Royal has a metacritic of 95
 
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So I'm playing Psyconauts on my XbX, (played it first on PS4) and the difference between the two (OG Box to PS2) is ACTUALLY staggering...

You know what WASNT staggering? The difference between the One and PS4, (25-30% difference) often resulting in a slightly blurry image or some reduced effects...

or the latter half of this gen with Pro/X (40-45% difference) same thing but in reverse lol

Considering specs put the new consoles at a considerably smaller difference (15-20%), and that we've yet to see any real world performances...what are you diehard loyalists (both sides) hoping for?

The likely outcome is in multiplatform both are fairly close with the more powerful having a "slight" edge or even out classing each other in their respective strengths, all while exclusives really show what each system can do...

But lol you're not getting a STAGGERING difference...those days are gone

(Seriously watch Splintercell Box vs PS2 on YT, it's funny how big a difference it was)

if the ray tracing is truly a good deal better on SXS, you may get a big difference in some games. path traced lighting in Minecraft on PS5 may not be possible, for example.
 
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No you're absolutely not, and like the 80 other people I've shot down with this; you like them can't produce any kind of divergent and functioning model as to how development would separate these systems because of an SSD.

You're class B bullshitters.
I've yet to see you shoot down anyone. You react to technical explanations with strawmen, and from your posts, you seem to have no clue that the concept of in game data streaming even exists. Do you know what it means?
 

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I've yet to see you shoot down anyone. You react to technical explanations with strawmen, and from your posts, you seem to have no clue that the concept of in game data streaming even exists. Do you know what it means?
More non-explanations. This is what happens to you people, you continue to reply with no method of actual response or you vanish from the thread.

I'll post it again, because you seem to have forgotten why we're here.
You can recite technical figures you and about 400 other people on this board don't understand until the cows come home, but there's no factual basis for any kind of a divergence in game development between these systems as a result. No one has even been capable of explaining one and proving how it would actually come about.

You're being sold snake oil, and you're a reseller. That's your function here, you're not deep, you're not educated on the matter. You're a parrot.
I'm eagerly awaiting your next total lack of quantification and subsequent ability to assert with fact how the SSD in the PlayStation 5 will allow it to actually diverge from the Series X in game design.



lol do people even know what AAA means?😆

halo not being AAA has to be an april's joke right?!
No they don't, they believe their whimsical thoughts dictate reality.
 
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Hey Lads,
Was this posted yet?
Pretty in depth analysis of especially the I/O and Ram System for both consoles..

https://hole-in-my-head.blogspot.com/2020/03/analyse-this-next-gen-consoles-part-9.html?m=1

In favour of PS5..
The guy seems to know his stuff..

That was already posted and no, its not accurate. The person that wrote that made some incorrect assumptions regarding the Xbox ( which proves they don't have any tangible knowledge outside of what is public and assumptions ).
 

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We literally already had this thread before and it was already seen the guy has an obvious grudge against Sony and works for MS now. @Mod of War can we do something about these threads rehashing info we already discussed before?

But what is he saying that is false? Like, almost none of these points are opinions. All signs point to series x being far more powerful, and the only way around that is if Sony has some legit magic sauce.
 
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