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DF: Guardians of the Galaxy: PS5 vs Xbox Series X - Ray Tracing Upgrades Tested

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DarkMage619

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It's a cycle because it's the same people on BOTH sides doing the most about the same things. The same pictures are shown as "proof", the same Cerny dissection is done, the same Xbox website is brought up every single time talking about RDNA2 features, etc. etc. etc.
You can say both sides but know one side has considerably more fans. So if both groups have passionate people one side is always louder. It is not balanced.
 

Haggard

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Lmfao I almost forgot about that😂
The amount of Very confident drivel being regurgitated after the 2020 UE5 Demo. Thousand page thread convincing everyone that it was only possible with the magic SSD😂
oh come on, that´s nonsense. Even back then it was just the usual 2-3 hardcore trolls that claimed this nonsense.
99% of people never ever thought that a multiplat-engine would only run on one platform......
 
Lmfao I almost forgot about that😂
The amount of Very confident drivel being regurgitated after the 2020 UE5 Demo. Thousand page thread convincing everyone that it was only possible with the magic SSD😂
What did you expect when the head of Epic was raving about how the insane SSD speed in the PS5 makes it possible to stream all that data?

Also, who's to say that AT FIRST it was only possible on PS5, and then they came up with better streaming techniques to optimize the engine to run on slower SSDs?

We agued about it because there was no multiplatform demo of UE5 at the time and Tim Sweeney said it was only possible on the PS5.
 

DarkMage619

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Boo hoo just because one console has a bigger install base doesn't mean it's equally represented on an online forum. You can miss me with that shit.
It is a fact there are more Sony fans here. You must be new here if you didn't that. Miss me with that both sides nonsense when one side is demonstrably louder and in some cases more obnoxious.
 

JaksGhost

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It is a fact there are more Sony fans here. You must be new here if you didn't that. Miss me with that both sides nonsense when one side is demonstrably louder and in some cases more obnoxious.
Now you know you're blowing smoke up the wrong ass because even you don't believe what you typed out. Every Digital Foundry discussion it is the same group of people from BOTH sides, like I previously said, arguing and at this point it's not even about the console it's about one-upping the "competition" which is stupid. You yourself are apart of that group and the likes on your post and the others prove that point. You ride and mob together as a pack.
 
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assurdum

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Lmfao I almost forgot about that😂
The amount of Very confident drivel being regurgitated after the 2020 UE5 Demo. Thousand page thread convincing everyone that it was only possible with the magic SSD😂
I mean, UE5 in the end seems runs better on ps5 though very slightly. Why XSX doesn't destroy PS5 with the fantastic mesh shaders, VRS and SFS full RDNA2 hardware? Isn't it a next generation engine? The only thing we have seen now is 20-30% of more pixels in a dynamic resolution setup and in crossgen multiplat (where XSX should have a good advantage thanks the nature of his multiplat API and the higher CPU frequency available for the old titles without SMT ). Thousands of posts about the awesome hardware boost inside the full RDNA2 machine capable and still here we are, with differences almost impossible to spot without an analytical tech face off.
 
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DarkMage619

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Shouldnt you ask yourself why there are more Sony fans?
Because Sony had the better last generation?

Now you know you're blowing smoke up the wrong ass because even you don't believe what you typed out. Every Digital Foundry discussion it is the same group of people from BOTH sides, like I previously said, arguing and at this point it's not even about the console it's about one-upping the "competition" which is stupid. You yourself are apart of that group and the likes on your post and the others prove that point. You ride and mob together as a pack.
Again maybe you just arrived here and haven't been paying attention. There are certainly fans of both systems but there are not the same number of fans of both platforms. Trying to personalize the argument in some sort of deflection isn't necessary. You can't find me in any PlayStation threads attacking games or trying to one-up anything but none of that really matters seeing how you aren't even acknowledging reality. Fine bro Xbox and PlayStation fans have perfect parity. Both sides and all that.👌
 

JaksGhost

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Because Sony had the better last generation?


Again maybe you just arrived here and haven't been paying attention. There are certainly fans of both systems but there are not the same number of fans of both platforms. Trying to personalize the argument in some sort of deflection isn't necessary. You can't find me in any PlayStation threads attacking games or trying to one-up anything but none of that really matters seeing how you aren't even acknowledging reality. Fine bro Xbox and PlayStation fans have perfect parity. Both sides and all that.👌
You're clearly being obtuse when it comes to understanding what I'm saying but I'm seeing how you want only one side to be at fault while the other is just a victim retaliating. That's not what's happening. I specifically said Digital Foundry threads which are hell spaces when it comes to console warring. Also me recently posting has nothing to do with my knowledge of this board since I've been lurking for quite some time and only recently decided to make an account. *Whispers* You know this is a public forum that doesn't require a log-in to view posts.* This place is a great source of gaming information but it can also be a cesspool.
 
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DarkMage619

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You're clearly being obtuse when it comes to understanding what I'm saying but I'm seeing how you want only one side to be at fault while the other is just a victim retaliating. That's not what's happening. I specifically said Digital Foundry threads which are hell spaces when it comes to console warring. Also me recently posting has nothing to do with my knowledge of this board since I've been lurking for quite some time and only recently decided to make an account. *Whispers* You know this is a public forum that doesn't require a log-in to view posts.* This place is a great source of gaming information but it can also be a cesspool.
You clearly can't read bro. I said there were fans on both sides. Only that there are not an equal number of those fans. It is not balanced but you can believe whatever you want.
 

JaksGhost

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You clearly can't read bro. I said there were fans on both sides. Only that there are not an equal number of those fans. It is not balanced but you can believe whatever you want.
What else did you say since now you’re ignoring the other points you were trying to make but failed to. I didn’t mention PlayStation threads but a hit dog will holler and you put that into the ether. What happened to the argument on me being new here and not paying attention? I don’t have to say it’s balanced or not because what I initially said was about SPECIFIC individuals on both sides that continually spark up the drama. You decided to try and snake in some other BS instead of acknowledging that. I’m here holding both sides accountable but you seem to only want to focus on one console fanbase “because they have more players and members here and it’s not fair 😭.” That really solidified a bias stamp. Gaf’s personal Dusk Golem over here. Read up and get back to me champ 🥴
 
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Snake29

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Lmfao I almost forgot about that😂
The amount of Very confident drivel being regurgitated after the 2020 UE5 Demo. Thousand page thread convincing everyone that it was only possible with the magic SSD😂

The people that bring all the UE5 drama constantly up for a debate are the Xbox fanboys here. It's not showing that it's running better on XSX, since some people around here claimed "If the PS5 demo was a XSX demo, it would run better, if not looked better".

Well well well...look at what we have right now. The first XSX UE5 demo and it's not even running better or looking better. Just go take a look at the old UE5 threads were the xbox fanboys were convinced it would look better on the XSX.

Clearly, there is only 1 group that is concerned, because they see that the XSX is apparently not showing the PS5 the corners of the room at all on various levels.

Something something...blind by specs of your plastic brick.
 
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Dolomite

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What did you expect when the head of Epic was raving about how the insane SSD speed in the PS5 makes it possible to stream all that data?

Also, who's to say that AT FIRST it was only possible on PS5, and then they came up with better streaming techniques to optimize the engine to run on slower SSDs?

We agued about it because there was no multiplatform demo of UE5 at the time and Tim Sweeney said it was only possible on the PS5.
Common sense
Common sense was to say otherwise. A notoriously known multiplayer engine being demoed on a single platform by a minority shareholder was the first red flag to me😂
 
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Dolomite

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The people that bring all the UE5 drama constantly up for a debate are the Xbox fanboys here. It's not showing that it's running better on XSX, since some people around here claimed "If the PS5 demo was a XSX demo, it would run better, if not looked better".

Well well well...look at what we have right now. The first XSX UE5 demo and it's not even running better or looking better. Just go take a look at the old UE5 threads were the xbox fanboys were convinced it would look better on the XSX.

Clearly, there is only 1 group that is concerned, because they see that the XSX is apparently not showing the PS5 the corners of the room at all on various levels.

Something something...blind by specs of your plastic brick.

I mean, UE5 in the end seems runs better on ps5 though very slightly. Why XSX doesn't destroy PS5 with the fantastic mesh shaders, VRS and SFS full RDNA2 hardware? Isn't it a next generation engine? The only thing we have seen now is 20-30% of more pixels in a dynamic resolution setup and in crossgen multiplat (where XSX should have a good advantage thanks the nature of his multiplat API and the higher CPU frequency available for the old titles without SMT ). Thousands of posts about the awesome hardware boost inside the full RDNA2 machine capable and still here we are, with differences almost impossible to spot without an analytical tech face off.
You guys ok?

What do any of these have to do with my comment. Lol that thread is still accessable gang, I'm not making anything up😂. If the way Gaf behaved 18 months ago seems to have struck a cord, take solace in knowing that not much has changed.
 
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Common sense
Common sense was to say otherwise. A notoriously known multiplayer engine being demoed on a single platform by a minority shareholder was the first red flag to me😂

Common sense was to say that Sony bribed Epic?

I just saw a tweet where they said it wasn't shown on the XSX because the dev kits weren't ready yet. With all the issues that Microsoft had sending them out and the tools issues (Digital Foundry mentioned it) that does seem the more likely situation.
 

assurdum

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You guys ok?

What do any of these have to do with my comment. Lol that thread is still accessable gang, I'm not making anything up😂. If the way Gaf behaved 18 months ago seems to have struck a cord, take solace in knowing that not much has changed.
It's ok pal. Enormous bullshits are spilled out by both sides, don't act as what you heard about UE5 was the more sensationalist one :messenger_beaming:
 
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No actually you are presuming games will keep doing what they have been doing, that's why you're judging a console using last gen engines and none of the extra hardware features it has.
Like some developers have said the move to next gen only will help Series S, if you think engines that use direct storage, Tier 2 VRS, SFS and Mesh Shaders won't benefit Series S then you're not thinking it through.
Having engines tuned to it's hardware supported features will produce better results than last gen engines.
Yes obviously, I have come around on this since a friend showed me his S in person, it's an amazing piece of well engineered hardware. It's so great that MS should not even have bothered with the X at all since when VRR, VRS, SFS Mesh Shaders DX12U and gamepass are put to full use this machine will punch so high above its weight that I suspect it will even beat the PS5 in most actual next gen games! Sony has no equivalent to any of these technologies, not even close!

Just wait a year or two!
 

Lysandros

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Yes obviously, I have come around on this since a friend showed me his S in person, it's an amazing piece of well engineered hardware. It's so great that MS should not even have bothered with the X at all since when VRR, VRS, SFS Mesh Shaders DX12U and gamepass are put to full use this machine will punch so high above its weight that I suspect it will even beat the PS5 in most actual next gen games! Sony has no equivalent to any of these technologies, not even close!

Just wait a year or two!
Wonderful sarcasm, very subtle. Congratulations.
 
Wonderful sarcasm, very subtle. Congratulations.
Not sarcasm, I just understand tech and business now!
No actually you are presuming games will keep doing what they have been doing, that's why you're judging a console using last gen engines and none of the extra hardware features it has.
Like some developers have said the move to next gen only will help Series S, if you think engines that use direct storage, Tier 2 VRS, SFS and Mesh Shaders won't benefit Series S then you're not thinking it through.
Having engines tuned to it's hardware supported features will produce better results than last gen engines.
 

DaGwaphics

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I'm not sure what the big gotcha is with the Riky Riky post being quoted. You guys don't think that current-gen only projects that fully utilize the capabilities offered by current-gen systems will milk more from the hardware?
 

tommib

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I'm not sure what the big gotcha is with the Riky Riky post being quoted. You guys don't think that current-gen only projects that fully utilize the capabilities offered by current-gen systems will milk more from the hardware?
The gotcha is with a post saying that the S would be punching up towards the weight of the PS5 and even maybe surpassing it. I’ll find it.
 

Riky

My little VRR pleasure pearl goes vrrrooommm.
The gotcha is with a post saying that the S would be punching up towards the weight of the PS5 and even maybe surpassing it. I’ll find it.

Why lie? I never said that so good luck finding it. I said Series S could push PS5 settings at a lower resolution if you check the thread.
 

Loxus

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The gotcha is with a post saying that the S would be punching up towards the weight of the PS5 and even maybe surpassing it. I’ll find it.
Was it this?
 
Was it this?
That's some serious ninja search skills!

Why lie? I never said that so good luck finding it. I said Series S could push PS5 settings at a lower resolution if you check the thread.
I was too lazy to search, in fact I agree with you 100% the PS5 will make a run for its money with the RDNA 1 or maybe 1.5 that it has! It will push it very hard!
 

Riky

My little VRR pleasure pearl goes vrrrooommm.
I'm flattered that the blue sheep were so triggered by that post that they screen grab it and use it constantly, there is a reason they never link the post or thread though, because the other posts give it context.
It also doesn't say anything about surpassing the PS5, another lie.
When we see all the performance saving features used we'll talk about it, I still think it can push the same settings a lower resolution, time will tell.

Why people feel the need to bump threads from months ago to try and bait me though is quite strange.
 

DaGwaphics

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That X is so out of sight that for the multiplatform game of the year (Elden Ring) it can’t keep up with the PS5 either in loadings, frame rate, resolution or motion blur.
Speaking of hyperbolic posts only loosely connected with reality....

Elden Ring is cross-gen, so, by definition it is disqualified by the post you are trying to lampoon.
 
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