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Analysis [DF] Halo Infinite on Consoles: Xbox Series X/S vs Xbox One S/X - Can Xbox One Run It?

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The opposite... keep reading the thread.
I not only proved and showed actual facts about what happened in his cherry picked picture... it was even easy because DF talking about it pretty clear.

But hey you are a bit late I guess... so read the full thread first and later ask questions... because you are just circling around about topics already discussed.

As always, it's a matter of preference, which is fine. As you said, the Xbox One X version tends to have higher resolutions all around whereas the the Series S tends to have higher lows during intense firefights. Its lower threshold is higher in both fps and resolution when things are hectic but outside of these scenarios, the One X version seems to offer better clarity due to higher resolution. The framerate is great on both consoles but the Ryzen 2 architecture of the Series S show its muscle when things get hectic.

Other than that, there's obviously a LOD discrepancy between both consoles, which favor the Series S, at least, on the picture shown above. There's also the matter of loading which is quite a bit better on the Series S. With all of this combined, would it be hard to believe that someone could favor the Series S version over the One X version due solely to its stability? I mean let's be rational here. The LOD difference isn't going to annoy anyone currently playing the One X version. The LOD difference isn't going to annoy 95% of the people who can spot the difference between the 2. It's that insignificant. The resolution difference is there. It's perceptible on screenshots. In the fire of the action, very much less so. That leaves the framerate issues during intense firefights. This might annoy some people. Most will probably don't care since this isn't dropping so low that it gets unplayable, plus the majority of the experience is a near solid 60 fps. This ironically leaves the difference in loading, which is drastic.

So I'm returning to what I said first. It's all a matter of preference, and perhaps more than anything, what you have as a console. Honestly, how many people will have the choice to play either the One X or the Series S version? Isn't it wonderful that in the end, both of these system owners have a great experience?
 
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I thought this thread would have died by now tbh.

But it's weird to see that people are still arguing despite John explicitly saying the X1X is the second best console version.. as well as an accompanying article making it abundantly clear.

Damn.
 

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Looking at the reactions, it's really weird seeing all the Sony boys rooting for the Xbox One X :messenger_beaming: The warrior's mind is a weird place.
John Ross Bowie Comedy GIF by CBS
 

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I thought this thread would have died by now tbh.

But it's weird to see that people are still arguing despite John explicitly saying the X1X is the second best console version.. as well as an accompanying article making it abundantly clear.

Damn.
The article makes abundantly clear that the XSS version runs better, has much better loading times and also has better assets in some specific areas. It also makes clear that the XOX is the bare minimum you should play this game on, while XSX and XSS are first and second choice.
 

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So I'm returning to what I said first. It's all a matter of preference, and perhaps more than anything, what you have as a console. Honestly, how many people will have the choice to play either the One X or the Series S version? Isn't it wonderful that in the end, both of these system owners have a great experience?
That's the thing it's just an opinion. We each have our own.

Just so happens over at DF, at least John, prefers the X1X version. And he's entitled to that opinion. I don't see anything wrong with his opinion personally, it makes sense to me.

Shouldn't cause any arguments. But it is. Sad.
 

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Devs chose to run X1X at higher rendering resolution, and higher quality textures than XSS because X1X's GPU is obviously more powerful, has higher memory bandwidth and more memory. Even Zathalus said the same thing.

343 could have easily allowed XSS to target 1440p like they did with X1X, but they chose not to, probably because the framerate was worse than X1X's 60-45fps.
So you are saying that the X1X runs games at higher resolutions? Sounds just like what Riky Riky and I said repeatedly. It is the predecessor to the XSX after all. It also is worse than the XSS in every other category. This is plainly evident by looking at the game run at 60fps. I've stated that if you love 30fps gaming the X1X will provide a better looking experience, not necessarily better playing but better looking and that's all X1X has going for itself at this point. Better hardware is available.

At one point in time the XSS had a 120fps mode as well but it looks like it was removed. For whatever reason 343i choose to run the XSS version of this game extremely conservatively. I highly doubt it is because the system is simply incapable of handling more. I suppose we'll as new patches come out.

So we have better textures, lower bound res, loading and most importantly FPS, but we are arguing over which is the better version?
Beautifully stated its clear people are just trying to get a reaction. It's pretty obvious the X1X is old tech. It was great in 2017 but as with all technology it gets old and outdated.

Just my 2 cents John is the best of the group at DF because of his actual love for games and his love for what he does and he didn't mince words, he didn't pick certain scenes he straight states his opinion

As far as lighting its very odd indeed almost to the point it feels like some sort of weird mod
I'd love to see why John made his comments because objectively the XSS has the better running version of the game and he used to be all about 60fps gameplay. Perhaps his tastes have changed to be 30fps instead. At least there are plenty to games with that performance target for him to be happy about.

The article makes abundantly clear that the XSS version runs better, has much better loading times and also has better assets in some specific areas. It also makes clear that the XOX is the bare minimum you should play this game on, while XSX and XSS are first and second choice.
Perfectly stated.
 

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As always, it's a matter of preference, which is fine. As you said, the Xbox One X version tends to have higher resolutions all around whereas the the Series S tends to have higher lows during intense firefights. Its lower threshold is higher in both fps and resolution when things are hectic but outside of these scenarios, the One X version seems to offer better clarity due to higher resolution. The framerate is great on both consoles but the Ryzen 2 architecture of the Series S show its muscle when things get hectic.

Other than that, there's obviously a LOD discrepancy between both consoles, which favor the Series S, at least, on the picture shown above. There's also the matter of loading which is quite a bit better on the Series S. With all of this combined, would it be hard to believe that someone could favor the Series S version over the One X version due solely to its stability? I mean let's be rational here. The LOD difference isn't going to annoy anyone currently playing the One X version. The LOD difference isn't going to annoy 95% of the people who can spot the difference between the 2. It's that insignificant. The resolution difference is there. It's perceptible on screenshots. In the fire of the action, very much less so. That leaves the framerate issues during intense firefights. This might annoy some people. Most will probably don't care since this isn't dropping so low that it gets unplayable, plus the majority of the experience is a near solid 60 fps. This ironically leaves the difference in loading, which is drastic.

So I'm returning to what I said first. It's all a matter of preference, and perhaps more than anything, what you have as a console. Honestly, how many people will have the choice to play either the One X or the Series S version? Isn't it wonderful that in the end, both of these system owners have a great experience?
I agree most of what you said.
Except LOD and tree render distance seems be better on XB1X by DF talk.
They even says LOD quality is matched between XB1X and Series X.
 
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I'd love to see why John made his comments because objectively the XSS has the better running version of the game and he used to be all about 60fps gameplay. Perhaps his tastes have changed to be 30fps instead. At least there are plenty to games with that performance target for him to be happy about.
I think its pretty obvious why he stated this not sure why people feel the need to keep fighting over it and put a spin on things

Personally I think some people here are way too invested into defending their favorite plastic box

Btw this will be my last post on the subject as its silly arguing over which Xbox version is best in the first place
 

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I agree most of what you said.
Except LOD and draw distance seems be better on XB1X by DF talk.
They even says LOD quality is matched between XB1X and Series X.
Yes but what they're saying clearly does not reflect what they're showing as proofs of their findings (their own screenshots / captures). Let's be reasonable here. It pays to use your eyeballs and not always take for facts what people are saying. Can't count how many times my colleague told me I was good to go at an intersection only to look myself and find out a car was about to cross the intersection and crash into us, had I pressed the gaz like he told me to.

I honestly don't understand why you would deny what we're seeing in this picture, unless it goes against a certain narrative you're trying to push? Not saying that's your intention but geez, do I really need to circle all the places where there is a major LOD difference between the One X and the Series S?
 
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I think its pretty obvious why he stated this not sure why people feel the need to keep fighting over it and put a spin on things

Personally I think some people here are way too invested into defending their favorite plastic box

Btw this will be my last post on the subject as its silly arguing over which Xbox version is best in the first place
All signs point to him preferring 30fps gameplay. It certainly wasn't because the X1X had better performance.

I don't really know if it's people defending anything in this case. It just looks like some people are trying to get a reaction out of people by making 'ignore your lying eyes' comments. I do agree that the overall argument is pretty silly but so are all console debates.

Don't trust your eyes, only trust John's tweet.
Exactly!
 
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People can use their own eyes and make their own conclusions.
Exactly. So don't get why your so desperate to prove to everyone that John and rest of DF are wrong here.

It's their opinion based on their time with the game. They have had roughly a month with it right? I'm sure they are well aware of what's happening on a technical level by now to feel comfortable calling it the second best console version.

Using photos, which are each missing trees in different areas, doesn't prove anything.

To argue against all their findings is weird, not going lie.
 
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It's more than just trees, the mountains in the background are also very clear. But like I say people can have a look themselves and decide.
 
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I think its pretty obvious why he stated this not sure why people feel the need to keep fighting over it and put a spin on things

Personally I think some people here are way too invested into defending their favorite plastic box

Btw this will be my last post on the subject as its silly arguing over which Xbox version is best in the first place
Agree, it's incredible.
 

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Its not "my" photo, it's from a comparison video where they talk about the higher settings on Series S and show it.

Can't argue any logic with that level of spin have to say.

At least we have a tweet which is concise and crystal clear on the subject on what's better and what's not.

As well as a video and article justifying. Maybe should get in touch with them?
 

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Can't argue any logic with that level of spin have to say.

At least we have a tweet which is concise and crystal clear on the subject on what's better and what's not.

As well as a video and article justifying. Maybe should get in touch with them?

Don't need to, the article suggests the MINIMUM suggested way to play is One X. All the benchmarks from DF and others show the Series S doesn't have the framepacing issues and runs performance mode at basically a locked 60fps on Series S whilst drops into the forties on One X, FACT.
If you want to play at 30fps and on a 4k screen I can understand going with One X if you can stand the loading times and the framepacing issues as you will get a clearer image quality.
When it comes to 60fps you may see that resolution advantage disappear all the way down to 720p and I KNOW how you hate low resolutions, you've been very vocal about it on the past as everyone knows.
If framerate is king though you would have to go with Series S over One X. I've got all five versions downloaded and ready to go so I'll have a good look with my own eyes.

Enjoy the game.
 
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Don't need to, the article suggests the MINIMUM suggested way to play is One X. All the benchmarks from DF and others show the Series S doesn't have the framepacing issues and runs performance mode at basically a locked 60fps on Series S whilst drops into the forties on One X, FACT.
If you want to play at 30fps and on a 4k screen I can understand going with One X if you can stand the loading times and the framepacing issues as you will get a clearer image quality.
When it comes to 60fps you may see that resolution advantage disappear all the way down to 720p and I KNOW how you hate low resolutions, you've been very vocal about it on the past as everyone knows.
If framerate is king though you would have to go with Series S over One X. I've got all five versions downloaded and ready to go so I'll have a good look with my own eyes.

Enjoy the game.
That's wrong.

But agree to disagree. Enjoy.
 
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Yes but what they're saying clearly does not reflect what they're showing as proofs of their findings (their own screenshots / captures). Let's be reasonable here. It pays to use your eyeballs and not always take for facts what people are saying. Can't count how many times my colleague told me I was good to go at an intersection only to look myself and find out a car was about to cross the intersection and crash into us, had I pressed the gaz like he told me to.

I honestly don't understand why you would deny what we're seeing in this picture, unless it goes against a certain narrative you're trying to push? Not saying that's your intention but geez, do I really need to circle all the places where there is a major LOD difference between the One X and the Series S?
Sure let's post all DF evidences to you check.

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_000.jpg
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_000.jpg

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_001.jpg
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_001.jpg

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_002.jpg
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_002.jpg

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_003.jpg
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_003.jpg

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_004.jpg
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_004.jpg

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_005.jpg
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_005.jpg

Tell me what you see? If you still believes Series S has better image quality with higher settings then something is wrong not with DF evidences but your own view of them.

PS. Sorry if I forget any of their pic evidences (I did not chery pick... I choose to post all of them)... I tried to get all the max quality JPEG they have in the site (they don't have PNG images just a conversion from JPEG to PNG that doesn't make sense to share).

Edit - Fixed links by Mr Moose request.
 
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I thought this thread would have died by now tbh.

But it's weird to see that people are still arguing despite John explicitly saying the X1X is the second best console version.. as well as an accompanying article making it abundantly clear.

Damn.
Sony vs Xbox is strictly forbidden but infighting within the same ecosystem.... gray line right there.
 
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Can't argue any logic with that level of spin have to say.

At least we have a tweet which is concise and crystal clear on the subject on what's better and what's not.

As well as a video and article justifying. Maybe should get in touch with them?
DF threads are always full of people trying to show them wrong, especially Tom who lots argue is incompetent. Why is it a problem this time?
 

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Sure let's post all DF evidences to you check.

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_000.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_000.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_001.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_001.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_002.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_002.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_003.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_003.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_004.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_004.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100

XB1: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XOX_005.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100
SS: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_005.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/100

Tell me what you see? If you still believes Series S has better image quality with higher settings then something is wrong not with DF evidences but your own view of them.

PS. Sorry if I forget any of their pic evidences (I did not chery pick... I choose to post all of them)... I tried to get all the max quality JPEG they have in the site (they don't have PNG images just a conversion from JPEG to PNG that doesn't make sense to share).
You can delete the shite after the .jpg for the original JPEG (https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_005.jpg).

DF threads are always full of people trying to show them wrong, especially Tom who lots argue is incompetent. Why is it a problem this time?
Tom is blind.
 
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That /EG11/format/jpg/quality/95-100 crap adds more of a... Bloom or whatever it's called.
I changed to the directly link.
Just to point the own DF site uses the link like I posted with 95 instead 100.
Maybe 95 is the default and when I increase to 100 add some filter conversion? I don't know.

Original URL in the site: background-image: url("https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/articles/2021-12-08-16-45/XSS_005.jpg/EG11/format/jpg/quality/95");

On thumbnails it uses 75 with lower resolution: https://images.gnwcdn.com/2021/arti.../EG11/thumbnail/208x117/format/jpg/quality/75
 
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How in the world is a single ecosystem comparison thread ground zero for console warring? Go play the game folks, stop arguing about last gen consoles! 😆
 
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Think I'll stick with PC for mulit and do campaign on series x when co-op launches.
 
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The opposite... keep reading the thread.
I not only proved and showed actual facts about what happened in his cherry picked picture... it was even easy because DF talking about it pretty clear.

But hey you are a bit late I guess... so read the full thread first and later ask questions... because you are just circling around about topics already discussed.
Read the bulk of the thread. I still don't see a lie. If someone is not correct it doesn't mean they lied.
 

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Random Q, which version of Halo Infinite are Xcloud servers running? I found that they were going to upgrade the servers to Series X hardware in 2021 but I can't find the answer definitively. I'm guessing it is SX from the lighting and textures even under the video compression, but I also see dithering that looks like what I see on the XBO in comparisons