3rdamention
Member
I love their take on the AA implementation of this game, it's basically "We don't know how they did it, but hopefully they will tell us in the future."
Naughty Gods indeed..
Naughty Gods indeed..
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DF: Tech Analysis: Uncharted 4: A Thief's End
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FalsettoVibe
Member
My goodness this game looks good.
Shambalakan
Member
Warning! The article has lots of screenshots that you don't want to see before playing game.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
You mention they see it as a negative. I'm struggling to understand that because if it works like TLOU there was only one load time at the beginning and then no load times afterwards while you play. That's a massive positive in my opinion.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Pretty much unavoidable really. You can either optimize for linear access or random access when laying out data. Gains in one impact the other.
I managed six minutes before stopping the video. Plenty of location and set piece spoilers.
eso76
Member
ugh, yeah those are awful.
I just replayed it recently and i was always wondering if it had crashed.
It being 'nothing like that' is reassuring. Not a big deal then.
Also, video shows too much, had to close it.
I don't care about the story, frankly, but i'd like to be surprised by the locations ND hasn't shown (which i believe is quite a lot ?)
This is supposed to look good? That looks janky as hell.
That made me laugh.
I was honestly skeptical of how the game would look compared to E3's first video and all of the '60 fps' target everybody was so keen on discussing.
This game looks amazing.
Dictator93
Member
awww yis
/reading
/watching
/reading
/watching
Chris Metal
Member
Ahh what really?
Info I had was zoom was locked to a dolly, but after that you could freely move the cam about, unlike locked to dolly and a orbit like the previous photomode in Uncharted collection and TLOU. Disappointed slightly, will have to edit my screenshot thread some before posting later. Sorry for misinformation guys.potatohead
Member
Naughty Dog is mother farking unstoppable.
Primethius
Banned
Yea, that's why I was surprised. I thought myself it would be a positive. Though, their reasoning is solid as well.
I just think the loading will be a positive for the vast majority of players.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
If it's not then I'd have to assume people are insane. This is how ALL games should be.
3rdamention
Member
Well, they are discussing on Tim Dogs Twitter how the game doesn't look as good as Ryse and how it looks like Nathan Drake is in A Sea Of Thieves...So, yeah, the game is not very impressive comparatively....lol
LostDonkey
Member
With very poor shadows.
iceatcs
Junior Member
But that hair gif indeed looks poor.
SneakyStephan
Banned
This game shows how far good baked lighting and good PBR can take you for graphical fidelity.
Good baked lighting > bad dynamic lighting , this is just yet another example of that alongside mirror's edge (the original one), dishonored and AC unity.
I wish more developers did it rather than always go for dynamic lighting even in games where it's not needed. It looks better and makes the game run infinitely much better
Seriously though: look beyond the PBR and lighting and you're left with really low poly environments in much of this video
Not sure if it's the youtube compression but it looks like the TAA artifacts make for a very dirty image in motion especially combined with the motion blur.
@ people asking 'how' : baked lighting, low quality shadows, rather low polygon environments and poor LOD is how.
Good baked lighting > bad dynamic lighting , this is just yet another example of that alongside mirror's edge (the original one), dishonored and AC unity.
I wish more developers did it rather than always go for dynamic lighting even in games where it's not needed. It looks better and makes the game run infinitely much better
Seriously though: look beyond the PBR and lighting and you're left with really low poly environments in much of this video
Not sure if it's the youtube compression but it looks like the TAA artifacts make for a very dirty image in motion especially combined with the motion blur.
@ people asking 'how' : baked lighting, low quality shadows, rather low polygon environments and poor LOD is how.
They are delusional lol. Let them dream.
Ahh what really?
Don't take my word for it, I'm just going off the DF video -- I haven't tested it myself.
Naughty Dog make sacrifices to the Gods every night to make their games run this well and look that good.
Yup, people that were saying otherwise now have to eat crow
You're just begging for an avatar quote here, aren't you?
I sure am ;-) lol
Almost every game on PS4 has "bad" shadows outside The Order ( and maybe few other games ). The fact is that they don't look good as U4.
Was going to say the same, Uncharted 1 had better shadows than this actually hah. Infact even in last gen Uncharted 1 had better shadows and overall texture res than UC2 and UC3 since the later games did more with variety. In the remaster they were all high res though and most definitely higher than this in UC4.
Consoles this gen are really draw cell limited so draw distance and shadows get affected so much. A lot of PS4 games do shadows better than UC4 though so no it's not better than other PS4 games in this area atleast (for instance farcry does it a lot better, just one example) and that's totally fine it can't be the best at everything regardless of ND being the developer.
Camera mode does seem to lock you in to the player character, you can move the camera around the player freely and remove all characters from the scene and use FOV to zoom in and out. You can't move the camera anywhere in the scene though. Feels similar to the camera in Arkham Knight.
I just played another big budget linear game before Uncharted 4, and I can tell you, Uncharted 4's shadow quality was still far better. Very poor is exaggerating it. Overall I'd still say it was good to very good, just with the odd issue here and there. But that's par for the course since most console games actually have fairly weak shadow quality, and Uncharted 4's still manages to be better than the majority.
NeoRaider
Member
I repeat, TressFX was broken first week or two after the release, it was new technology and later it was mostly fixed and improved with the updates. Also why are we comparing game from 2013 with 2016 game?
This is TressFX in ROTTR:
Sorry but nothing comes close to the PC version of ROTTR if we are talking about the hair.
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
naughty dog pulling this off on hardware equivalent to a 750ti blows my mind. beautiful game. enjoy sonybros
LostDonkey
Member
Thats not what the analysis video says? it say you can see where compromises were made with low shadow quality and dithering etc.
I'm just going off the DF vid.
Chris Metal
Member
oh right, yeah, that's what I meant then, ok. Before in the previous games, you were locked with a dolly and orbit control and tied to the character, Now it seems that even though you are tied to characters they've granted more freedom so you can now move freely about with the cam around characters, just best to adjust zoom level first.
SmartWaffles
Member
The compromise is in relative to the exceptional quality in other department of UC4, not on a global scale.
i stopped after 5 seconds haha. first location spoiler. man... i want to hear about the impressive tech, but not when its spoiling stuff.
Yes, in comparison to everything else in the game which is done mostly exceptionally well. In that respect UC4's shadow quality compromises, which are actually common place with the majority of console games, stand out more only because the rest of the package is so impeccable or class leading.
RedAssedApe
Banned
The future is now. Hehe
LostDonkey
Member
So you agree, in answer to the question posed: How was this done?
The answer can be contributed to compromises in shadow quality. Which is what I was getting at.
Dictator93
Member
Only watched the video sofar but I love what I am seeing. A great maximisation of the strengths of rendering given the budget before them.
I have yet to read the article yet.
Qustions for people who own the game: Is the POM self-shadowing in sunlight?
Does anyone else notice how the TAA is also post-sharpening? I keep seeing it occassionally in screens, but I am not sure if I am imagining it.
I have yet to read the article yet.
Qustions for people who own the game: Is the POM self-shadowing in sunlight?
Does anyone else notice how the TAA is also post-sharpening? I keep seeing it occassionally in screens, but I am not sure if I am imagining it.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Yup, ROTTR's TressFX is amazing. Snow accumulation, wetness, maintaining shape while still moving realistically...I repeat, TressFX was broken first week or two after the release, it was new technology and later it was mostly fixed and improved with the updates. Also why are we comparing game from 2013 with 2016 game?
This is TressFX in ROTTR:
Sorry but nothing comes close to the PC version of ROTTR if we are talking about the hair.
Vital Tundra
Member
Problem with TressFX is everyone elses hair sucks.
Obviously a glowing story about a very exciting title, but what's with the "promised 60fps" claim? They were very clear at the time that they were going to try for it, but they never made any promises and came clean long ago to state that it was going to be 30fps. Is this a ham-fisted attempt at balanced journalism?
I agree that it's likely we'll see a 60fps Neo reveal when the premium console gets unveiled. Personally I'd be happy with extra rendering fidelity and effects, but I know many would really like the extra frame rate and I suspect that's easier to deliver when your original target was PS4. Naughty Dog's next game will give them a more interesting opportunity to decide how best to use the extra CPU and GPU resources.
I agree that it's likely we'll see a 60fps Neo reveal when the premium console gets unveiled. Personally I'd be happy with extra rendering fidelity and effects, but I know many would really like the extra frame rate and I suspect that's easier to deliver when your original target was PS4. Naughty Dog's next game will give them a more interesting opportunity to decide how best to use the extra CPU and GPU resources.