Analysis [DF] - The Division 2: Next-Gen Runs at 60FPS - Visual Analysis on PS5 - Series X|S

[FranXico]

Are they reaching out to Massive for the PS5 like they did for Dirt 5 on the XSX when there were clear issues with the patch?

They're just analysing the patch. What do you think their job is? Tech support for Sony? PR?

 

[Mr Moose]

Are they reaching out to Massive for the PS5 like they did for Dirt 5 on the XSX when there were clear issues with the patch?

 

[DeepEnigma]

They're just analysing the patch. What do you think their job is? Tech support for Sony? PR?

Can't keep up with all this flippy floppies.

 

[phil_t98]

Massively bugged on PS5 version, it will be fixed

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

Can't keep up with all this flippy floppies.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Massively bugged on PS5 version, it will be fixed

 

[Insane Metal]

OP updated with VG Tech's framerate data

Platforms	PS5	Xbox Series X	Xbox Series S
Frame Amounts
Game Frames	20510	20468	20492
Video Frames	20510	20510	20510
Frame Tearing Statistics
Total Torn Frames	0	0	0
Lowest Torn Line	-	-	-
Frame Height	2160	2160	1080
Frame Time Statistics
Mean Frame Time	16.67ms	16.7ms	16.68ms
Median Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
Maximum Frame Time	16.67ms	33.33ms	33.33ms
Minimum Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
95th Percentile Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
99th Percentile Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
Frame Rate Statistics
Mean Frame Rate	60fps	59.88fps	59.95fps
Median Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
Maximum Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
Minimum Frame Rate	60fps	50fps	57fps
5th Percentile Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
1st Percentile Frame Rate	60fps	57fps	59fps
Frame Time Counts
16.67ms	20510 (100%)	20426 (99.79%)	20474 (99.91%)
33.33ms	0 (0%)	42 (0.21%)	18 (0.09%)
Other
Dropped Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frame Thresholds	20 rows	20 rows	20 rows

PS5 wins by 0.12FPS

 

[bender]

Pages and pages of warriors fighting about a cross-platform, next-generation backwards compatible patch from Ubisoft. I can't wait for the rap video analyzing the differences in the footage that DF presented. Teenage angst and a global pandemic are a winning combination.

 

[DJ12]

Massively bugged on PS5 version, it will be fixed

Massively?

Missing fog on a BC game?

I think you need to console war less.

Only xbox fans truly care about BC face offs, got to pick up those W's somewhere.

 

[ethomaz]

Pages and pages of warriors fighting about a cross-platform, next-generation backwards compatible patch from Ubisoft. I can't wait for the rap video analyzing the differences in the footage that DF presented. Teenage angst and a global pandemic are a winning combination.

They issue is... the "next-gen" BC patch makes the game looks worst than the BC game you were playing before the patch.

In any case it is indeed another big win for Series X.

 

[Endless Fluff]

PS5 dips down to 1080p despite not running all effects? Oof.

 

[bender]

They issue is... the "next-gen" BC patch makes the game looks worst than the BC game you were playing before the patch.

Ubisoft.

 

[Concern]

Massively?

Missing fog on a BC game?

I think you need to console war less.

Only xbox fans truly care about BC face offs, got to pick up those W's somewhere.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

Only xbox fans truly care about BC face offs, got to pick up those W's somewhere.

This isn't true, my guy. It works both ways. Both sides go crazy for "W's"

 

[Panajev2001a]

The title is actually "what's up with PS5 visuals?" but I changed it since the Hitman 3 analysis title wasn't popular.



Summary incoming:

- Game is running in BC mode, or as Tom calls it "BC+ mode"
- Notable downgrades to PS5 version compared to PS4 Pro, missing fog and other effects
- Series S targets 60fps/1080p (dynamic)
- Series X targets 60fps/4k, as high as native 4k, drops as low as 1800p
- PS5 reconstructs to 4k from a max resolution of 1890p, lowest res they counted was 1080p
- Series X takes lead with better BC enhancements
- Newer consoles have better texture pop-in
- Tom hopes the missing effects on PS5 is a bug that will be addressed, Alex surprised this patch even made it out the door in current state
- Black levels are crushed on PS5 version (around 8:20 mark)
- Reflections not working properly on PS5, flat out missing in some areas, Alex says it is definitely a bug that needs to be addressed
- PS5 holds 60 fps very well, Tom did notice one instance of screen tearing around the 12:15 mark that wasn't duplicated on Series X
- Series X holds 60 well but has more slight dips than PS5 probably due to higher settings
- PS5 version clearly not tapping into the increased I/O bandwidth

Sounds like a crappy patch. Hope it gets fixed

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EDIT

Framerate stats from VG Tech, who also counted the same resolutions as DF does and notes the same missing effects on PS5 version.

Platforms	PS5	Xbox Series X	Xbox Series S
Frame Amounts
Game Frames	20510	20468	20492
Video Frames	20510	20510	20510
Frame Tearing Statistics
Total Torn Frames	0	0	0
Lowest Torn Line	-	-	-
Frame Height	2160	2160	1080
Frame Time Statistics
Mean Frame Time	16.67ms	16.7ms	16.68ms
Median Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
Maximum Frame Time	16.67ms	33.33ms	33.33ms
Minimum Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
95th Percentile Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
99th Percentile Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
Frame Rate Statistics
Mean Frame Rate	60fps	59.88fps	59.95fps
Median Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
Maximum Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
Minimum Frame Rate	60fps	50fps	57fps
5th Percentile Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
1st Percentile Frame Rate	60fps	57fps	59fps
Frame Time Counts
16.67ms	20510 (100%)	20426 (99.79%)	20474 (99.91%)
33.33ms	0 (0%)	42 (0.21%)	18 (0.09%)
Other
Dropped Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frame Thresholds	20 rows	20 rows	20 rows

The PS5 version patch sounds a bit shit :/.

 

[Mr.Xbox]

This isn't true, my guy. It works both ways

Dont think anyone is arsed about these tests, I only ever hear about it when its a Sony Fanbody banging on that they "won"

Good BC implementation by Xbox, PS5 patch will be fixed soon

 

[DJ12]

This isn't true, my guy. It works both ways. Both sides go crazy for "W's"

On BC games though? I think not squire.

 

[Insane Metal]

Pages and pages of warriors fighting about a cross-platform, next-generation backwards compatible turd from Ubisoft. I can't wait for the rap video analyzing the differences in the footage that DF presented. Teenage angst and a global pandemic are a winning combination.

Fixed

 

[RevenantX]

SX takes this win i guess

 

[VectorVictor]

You're right, it is embarrassing for Ubisoft.

And for Sony...ooofff, can’t handle The Division 2 at 4K and has to tur...

...no sorry I can’t. This is squarely on UbiSoft and their patented “Head Up Our Ass” development philosophy. The PS5 is capable of getting closer to the XSX performance than this.

 

[pasterpl]

On BC games though? I think not squire.

This is next gen patch test, not straight up bc comparison

 

[bender]

Fixed

Calling a Ubisoft game a turd is redundant.

 

[ethomaz]

This is next gen patch test, not straight up bc comparison

It is a PS4 Pro game running on PS5 via BC.
You don't have a native PS5 version.

 

[The Hamburglar]

need I remind you what sony gaf was doing with dirt 5 comparisons before patch, where there were obvious bugs in the x version?

The difference is this is a patch for a last gen game in backwards compatibility.. which is what I and the poster I quoted were talking about.

Dirt5 was the first next generation comparison right? After the patch wasn’t the ps5 version still more stable fps?

 

[Trainsmove]

PS5 dips down to 1080p despite not running all effects? Oof.

Except lower native resolution, no Volume metric fog, and lower Quality reflections. Go PS5.

 

[JackMcGunns]

But the stutters on Series X = a win for PS5, amirite?

 

[phil_t98]

what did I do?

 

[Umbasaborne]

The tower of power’s got gaf in a tizzy

 

[phil_t98]

Massively?

Missing fog on a BC game?

I think you need to console war less.

Only xbox fans truly care about BC face offs, got to pick up those W's somewhere.

yeah massively, reflections, res and fog not what it should be

 

[Trainsmove]

This isn't true, my guy. It works both ways. Both sides go crazy for "W's"

I am not worried about it at all, I said it before Time is playstation five's biggest enemy, The more powerful Hardware will eventually Earn its respect.

 

[skit_data]

This is next gen patch test, not straight up bc comparison

This is not a ”patch”, more akin to ”ripping off a band aid so hard that several layers of skin comes off with it”.

But it is BC in some regard, so i wouldnt call it a next gen version really.

 

[DeepEnigma]

what did I do?

Massively... developer name is Massive.

 

[DarkMage619]

yeah massively, reflections, res and fog not what it should be

And 'Massive' developed the game. Looked like you were going for a pun.

 

[DJ12]

This is next gen patch test, not straight up bc comparison

Nope, it's a BC comparison.

It's a PS4 game, patched to use the PS5s' BC boost mode not a PS5 version of the game.

A next gen version does not exist yet.

 

[Mr Moose]

yeah massively, reflections, res and fog not what it should be

The difference is Massive Entertainment

This is next gen patch test, not straight up bc comparison

It's BC.

 

[bender]

And 'Massive' developed the game. Looked like you were going for a pun.

Ubisoft just took a Massive dump on Playstation fans.

You are welcome.

 

[phil_t98]

Massively... developer name is Massive.

unintentional lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

Nope, it's a BC comparison.

It's a PS4 game, patched to use the PS5s' BC boost mode not a PS5 version of the game.

A next gen version does not exist yet.

The patches are no different than the Pro/X patches last gen. It's a second round of them for the higher spec in the BC environment.

I wish they would drop the "next gen patch" talk, unless they literally recompiled the game to take advantage of the specs outside the BC environment, natively. It's misleading.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

The PS5 version is better have a better framerate with all the missing effects.

 

[Calhoun]

Ubisoft said that they are aware of issues on PS5

The division 2 update 1.30 PS5 problem | Forums

The Division 2 on PS5. It has lost the FOG, the reflections are bugged, the maximum resolution it reaches is the one reached by PS4 Pro, it has a higher pop-in, anisotropic filtering is also conspicuous by its absence in addition to other post-processing effects, this video is a beautiful...

forums.ubisoft.com

 

[MonarchJT]

PS5 wins by 0.12FPS

someone will scream at "perfomance over stutters all the day long baby!! " wait for it !

 

[MonarchJT]

The PS5 version is better have a better framerate with all the missing effects.

basically it dosnt

 

[martino]

Ubisoft said that they are aware of issues on PS5

The division 2 update 1.30 PS5 problem | Forums

The Division 2 on PS5. It has lost the FOG, the reflections are bugged, the maximum resolution it reaches is the one reached by PS4 Pro, it has a higher pop-in, anisotropic filtering is also conspicuous by its absence in addition to other post-processing effects, this video is a beautiful...

forums.ubisoft.com

best post of the thread so far

 

[Hawking Radiation]

We could all use some tools, sometimes.

I can share. Just please use some wetwipes to wipe them down before using.

 

[Jigsaah]

Taking the high road huh?

Where was this response when looking at Control on XSX with it's stuttering issues? Should Sony fans not shot their shot? Regardless of the answer to that question, did it stop them from shooting it?

I wish people could just get a consensus on this across both fanbases because these type of threads are always fraught with biases and goal post shifting.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

Ubisoft said that they are aware of issues on PS5

The division 2 update 1.30 PS5 problem | Forums

The Division 2 on PS5. It has lost the FOG, the reflections are bugged, the maximum resolution it reaches is the one reached by PS4 Pro, it has a higher pop-in, anisotropic filtering is also conspicuous by its absence in addition to other post-processing effects, this video is a beautiful...

forums.ubisoft.com

best post of the thread so far

I am adding it into the OP, thanks

 

[01011001]

so basically either the team didn't playtest the PS5 version, or they did playtest and just shoved the update out unfinished and bugged on purpose.

I'm nor sure which would be worse

 

[WildBoy]

PS5 can do it in 8k 60fps. They fucked up.........

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

so basically either the team didn't playtest the PS5 version, or they did playtest and just shoved the update out unfinished and bugged on purpose.

I'm nor sure which would be worse

I have to think they just shipped out the patch knowing it was shit.

 

[mancs]

the great next gen rock and roll swindel.