It's bizarre how we went from DF videos of "don't mind what CPU we put in this PC" vs PS5 performance comparisons to "CPU is the most important thing" and all it took was a PS5 Pro release. Who would have thought
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DF x IGN closest GPU to PS5 pro is an RTX 4070
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It's bizarre how we went from DF videos of "don't mind what CPU we put in this PC" vs PS5 performance comparisons to "CPU is the most important thing" and all it took was a PS5 Pro release. Who would have thought
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GHG
Member
Above 1440p, especially when factoring in AI upscaling, this is factually incorrect.
Would it be better to have an improved CPU? Yes of course, but at those resolutions the investment often isn't worth the extra cost unless you're an enthusiast (in which case you'll be on PC regardless).
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BlitzerRadic
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Automakers use engines from older generations in new platforms all the time.
nowhat
Member
WRT heat/power consumption/noise, they probably will (as they did with the base model). But I don't see them getting into graphics comparisons (or even framerate comparisons between consoles and PC), because it's not really their thing, and also getting the same benchmarks to run on consoles is probably not possible.
PeteBull
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kazuyamishima
Member
And yet Im still people saying that at most the GPU in the PS5 pro will be 7700XT or 4060Ti performance
Shadowstar39
Member
Equivalent or slightly better than the base Ps5 when paired with a good cpu. Nowhere did I say better than a 4060. The 4060 wasn't a thing in 2020 when the base ps5 came out, which was what the original post I was commenting on was about. Back in 2020 people were comparing the ps5 to graphics cards that came out at that time.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Yeah, and even back then, its equivalents were broadly considered to be the 6700 or 2070S, both of which are faster than the 3060.
Doctor Hades
Member
Yeah, the promised improvements to RT and the PSSR upscaling feature do push the PS5 Pro's GPU more toward NVIDIA in quality, even though the former is something that will eventually appear in the next-gen AMD graphics cards for PC. Even if PSSR isn't quite as good as DLSS (what is?), it is still going to be a massive improvement on the awful FSR2 that tarnishes many a PS5 game at the moment and will continue to be used for future AMD graphics cards on PC,, unless AMD sees sense and finally releases an AI enhanced version (FSR2 and inferior RT performance are the things that actually made me realise why I refuse to buy AMD GPUs and why I'm happy to pay more for NVIDIA cards).
GHG
Member
Yes, and what I'm saying is that the vast majority of games these days are GPU limited. Additionally, a 4070 isn't a 4090 where a top of the line CPU is warranted to get the most out of it. A 3700x paired with a 4070 is still a respectable combo on the PC side of things providing you have it paired with some good DDR4 (3600 or above).
The latter point is something that people are not factoring in here (not surprising, but it is what it is), the memory speed. We have recently seen with the Steam Deck OLED vs the original LCD model that RAM speed alone can indeed result in an improvement in performance, particularly in CPU limited situations. So to say that the CPU limited scenarios that exist in the base PS5 will remain the same on the Pro is very much wide of the mark.
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Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Also they have proved in the past that raw 'on paper' power doesn't always result in on screen performance if the tools and developer buy-in is not there.
keefged4
Member
I have a 4070, managed to pick one up for £400 last year. Beast of a card, but the problem I have with the pro is it'll still be CPU limited. The whole "Spend a bit more on a decent PC" argument still stands, especially when we are taking of outlaying £700+ anyway, why not go a wee bit extra to get a much better experience? With a pro you'll get 4 years of maybe a handful of sony exclusives, then have to upgrade to a PS6 anyway. Where as if you go down the PC route you'll get access to the best versions of ALL exisiting games and the upcoming ones for the rest of the generation without being locked into a specific ecosystem.
KaiserBecks
Member
4060 has DLSS3 though hasn’t it. I have a 3080ti and I’m still fine with that, but DLSS3 is a very nice thing to have.
Yeah I agree. CPU seemed fine until pc CPU:s made massive strides and games were, yet again, forced to 30fps on consolesIt's bizarre how we went from DF videos of "don't mind what CPU we put in this PC" vs PS5 performance comparisons to "CPU is the most important thing" and all it took was a PS5 Pro release. Who would have thought
Interfectum
Member
PC gaming fanatics are losing their minds over the PS5 Pro. Sony may be on to something with this console because the defense squad on here and twitter is legendary. I think I've seen 100+ shitty $900 PC builds in the past 24 hours.
We made massive strides since March this year? Amazing.
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saintjules
Gold Member
Yeah, it's always a fun read on these 'what ifs', but how are people doubting Cerny's work here?
Try playing helldivers with a 4090 and a ps5 equivalent CPU on pc (3700x i guess). You will drop constantly to 40-ies during matches with many enemies. Just as ps5 does and ps5 pro WILL do
Ps5 pro is a totally unbalaced offering. A smaller gpu upgrade + a moderate cpu upgrade would be better use of chip space.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think they have the requests from devs and lots of realtime metrics from titles (tons of data and source code from their own devs which do push visual and gameplay boundaries) when they planned for the Pro upgrade. That does not mean there are no outliers in this.
Big CPU changes are PS6 territory.
Interfectum
Member
And with the news that PS5 Pro is close to a 4070 we will be hearing "bu bu CPU" for the rest of the year.
Radical_3d
Member
One of my best friends have one of those to work as freelancer. He can’t stay out of Satisfactory and he’s not searching for projects. Being an engineer is hard.
rnlval
Member
4060 Ti only has 34 SM x BVH4 with 4 triangles = 136 BVH with 136 triangles.
PS5 Pro with 60 CU and BHV8 would have an advantage in the box test.
PS5 Pro with 60 CU x BVH8 with 2 triangles = 480 BVH with 120 triangles. AMD needs to substantially increase the triangle test strength.
My answer, it depends.
hinch7
Member
Yep can't get past the CPU limitations unfortunately. Developers could try optimise games around that, to run higher framerates in Pro modes. Though there's only so much you can do with low clocked Zen 2 cores and small cache.
People should see the Pro as a GPU upgrade+extra storage with the added benefit of DLSS-like upscaling for a much sharper image. If games have DRS, good higher res and range. Performance modes with unstable framerates now solid. Whether thats worth the $700/£700 is worth it is up to the persons. I still think its a couple hundred overpriced (with disk drive) but I digress. Gamers already invested in the PS ecosystem that see's value in it will get it for its improvements and enjoyment. Just like how I spent more money on my PC to enjoy path tracing, better performance and image quality.
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Fabieter
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A pc with that card will costs you around 1200 euro which will have a better cpu. So its not that far off from the 920 euro they are asking for the pro. Nice greed.
HeisenbergFX4
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DryvBy
Member
I love being on my PC but the PC gaming bro community is some of the worst on the planet. They're basically missionaries to tell you about the Good System. I've been on Steam since launch, same with GOG. I have hundreds of physical PC games from when I was a kid. But the PC gamer bros today are just awful. I don't think you should push people to PC gaming. Some people aren't cut out for it. The current price to graphical diff between the two all comes down to can you handle 30fps? If not, go with a PC. If so, stick with console. Now Sony has a much cheaper solution for 60fps.
I also love the few that have argued PC gaming is just way cheaper than consoles. Unless you have physical media on PC, you ain't cheaper. I can make my money back selling physical and rent on console still. As a PC gamer and console gamer, just play whatever you want to play and quit making your life to missionary for the product you enjoy.
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
Bugaga when he makes his first few videos comparing PS5 Pro to PC and it performs on-par with an RTX 4070
Zacfoldor
Member
lolol, PS5 Pro is going to be fucking legendary. This has become clear from the reactions over the past 2 days. The absolute panic of everyone who doesn't want to buy it is growing by the day. There's a dread in the air. They know what's coming with the software showcase. They know Cerny didn't fuck up. This they know, but have yet to accept.
That first day of whining was rough, but wow what a turnaround. I think it's crystal clear. If Rebirth looks better at 60 than it does at 30 on vanilla PS5. If they lowered the VRR range to 40. If these things are true, which it appears they may be, well shit fellas. Better start saving now. If a game looks better at 60 on pro than it does at 30 on vanilla, then what the actual fuck.
Also, the haters better PRAY that they are 100% right and this doesn't bump the framerate on any game vs vanilla(they aren't right, lol). First game that runs 30 on vanilla and 60 on pro, well that will be one hilarious day. Haters left no room for doubt, so just one game is all we need and all their pitiful arguments will crumble like the house of cards they are.
Soon.
That first day of whining was rough, but wow what a turnaround. I think it's crystal clear. If Rebirth looks better at 60 than it does at 30 on vanilla PS5. If they lowered the VRR range to 40. If these things are true, which it appears they may be, well shit fellas. Better start saving now. If a game looks better at 60 on pro than it does at 30 on vanilla, then what the actual fuck.
Also, the haters better PRAY that they are 100% right and this doesn't bump the framerate on any game vs vanilla(they aren't right, lol). First game that runs 30 on vanilla and 60 on pro, well that will be one hilarious day. Haters left no room for doubt, so just one game is all we need and all their pitiful arguments will crumble like the house of cards they are.
Soon.
saintjules
Gold Member
Completely on board with ya. I couldn't possibly imagine the disaster if the Pro couldn't possibly deliver on anything from the big 3. Cerny I just felt like didn't miss here.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
He will throw in the best of the best CPU the PC has to offer and then dance around cAvEaTs while a tard army marches the narrative.Bugaga when he makes his first few videos comparing PS5 Pro to PC and it performs on-par with an RTX 4070
Traxtech
Member
Where did you read the vrr window being changed? If so I hope this is true, fantastic news
Edit :- I just read the CNET article, and all that implies is games with a 120hz container can do LFC which is 40. Bah
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
At $700 for a closed system that can no longer utilize console’s one strength (physical games) this is no great value.
I see we’re at the acceptance stage of the $700 price point. Big mistake.
I see we’re at the acceptance stage of the $700 price point. Big mistake.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
As I have been saying its why Sony didn't show whats to come with that first reveal
Let people get over the sticker shock then show the games.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That's a perfect marketing strategy, really. Play your cards all at once, and people will still be hyper-focused on price. But that dust seems to be settling rapidly already.
Then show the big guns like DS2 and the like in the coming weeks.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
If they accepted it was a 4070... their whole too-expensive argument totally goes out the window. Whats crazy is that the raster difference in performance between the 7700XT and the 4070 is just like 13%. Something that console optimizations and efficiencies would no doubt bridge.
But people are doing this weird disingenuous thing of settling for the 7700XT, and ignoring that the PS5pro has better RT and AI reconstruction (that would have put it closer to the 4070 than the 7700XT in comparisons), just to push their PS5pro overpriced and unimpressive agenda.
Almost fascinating to watch. But watch all these people disappear when the comparisons start to roll out.
Interesting.
First off... just from a cursory glance, I am seeing PCs with that card going for around 1500. But lets scale back on the CPU and the RAM, so I can agree with your 1200.
Secondly, the PS5pro cost 800 euro. Not 920. Why are you adding a disc drive to the cost of the PS5pro when comparing it to something that is exclusively a digital platform?
And lastly, a 400 euro swing to get an equivalent specced hardware on PC.... is fr off.
ap_puff
Member
"$700 is too expensive, why don't you just spend $800 on top of that"
Lmao come the fuck on
Fabieter
Member
You need the disc to have a similar access to different sources of games and price competitions. You have loads of options on pc. Is it that far off? When you have to pay for more for any other stuff too? No it isnt. You can go for a 1500 pc but that one will be significantly stronger than the pro and will be cheaper over the lifetime too.
It's overpriced by at least 100 bucks
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
You have to admit…the wait for Sony to “show the games” this generation has been…something.
2024 in current generation is the equivalent of 2017 last generation in terms of time from launch
By September 2017 we already had quite a few tentpole exclusives released on PS4, along with already having seen the reveals for all the other major tentpole games to come down the road.
Meanwhile here we are in 2024 and we haven’t seen shit and we’re STILL waiting just to SEE something.
The dichotomy between how last gen and this gen have been handled cannot be overstated.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Sadly I don't think we are getting anything special even this month unless we get a 3rd party surprise because is sure sounds like the State of Play (rumored) will be Indies and 3rd party
There is not enough chatter for this next SoP for my liking
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Probably going to gauge the preorder demand first on whether a showing needs to be pushed up for October or not.
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Del_X
Member
Why don't you spend $700 and then $100 for online per annum and then $10-20 higher price on average for each game while also having less than fucking half the utility or function. Oh they didn't go back and make a patch for the latest Sweet Baby shitfest? I guess your "investment" doesn't get utilized in that context. Whomp whomp.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I really hope we see Ghost of Tsushima 2 soon and that DS2 looks amazing as I thought the first one looked great at times.
Possibly a surprise game pops up as well but these alone doesn't make a 1st party show, maybe they are in this months rumored SoP
mayham2199
Member
I don't think it's a good strategy for overall marketing. IMO the video should have been longer. Starting with Cenry, then games, then the price. With that said it's a brilliant strategy if you want to make a lot of people look stupid and that's my favorite kind of marketing.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Start with the price then the games
We are selling a product for 700. Here is what that 700 gets you
Will cause far less controversy than
We are selling a product with a ton of stuff and features. BTW it's 700
People will digest it a lot easier when you give them the price then wow them and show why they should pay to. At least, that's how I'd react
iHaunter
Member
That's what the memers don't understand. It's fun to poke fun a little bit. But to build a PC around that card in total would still be close to $1200.