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DICE new boss says it has ‘no time’ for Mirror’s Edge-style projects: ‘We’re focusing only on Battlefield’

delfrickintree

Neo Member
I was always holding out for Bad Company 3 but now I dont want it anymore. It would tarnish the legacy of BC2. BF3 and BF4 had their rocky beginnings but became quite solid after a year or so. Why DICE keeps doing this is insane. THREE years for 2042? It better be mindblowing by then, but I'm not expecting anything. Best thing they could do is that retro mode, forget its name, where you can play all the previous games' maps.
 

Thabass

Member
You've been doing that for years now anyway and you still fucked up with Battlefield 2042.

Not really sure the focus is working for ya. But, hey give it a shot.
 
Mirror's Edge was literally the only thing EA made that I gave a damn about. What a shame.

Sure Catalyst had it's flaws, because everyone at the time thought an open world Mirror's Edge was a good idea. I get that it's not a sales monster, but that IP had a soul that made their studio somewhat relevant to me.

I still regularly listen to music arrangements of its soundtrack on YouTube just to zone out when the vibe is right.
I know it's not even close to being the same type of game, but you should give Syndicate(2012) a shot:



It flew under a lot of radars but it was a really fun game.
 

Danknugz

Member
oh only really like CQC battlefield, maybe some rush here and there. can't stand the huge boring wasteland maps with tons of camping spots, bores me to tears. would love to see a return to more like the CQC DLC for BF3. Maybe a CQC focused bad company 3. Or something more like hardline with civilian combat and not the same old tired ass military crap.
 

EDMIX

Member
It depends where the bottleneck was. Smaller focused teams can actually deliver surprisingly great innovative ideas and maybe we need to get better at composing than together than scaling teams to humongous depths. I was listening to this book by Ken Kocienda about how product creation happened during the golden days of Apple (where the foundations for what Cook is exploiting now were laid): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/152900473X/?tag=neogaf0e-20

The software team behind the key components of iOS when the iPhone (project Purple) was developed (like the keyboard, the homescreen/springboard, gesture recognition and multi touch, etc…) was very small. They just had great vision, communicated well, and iterated very very efficiently.

I don't disagree that such a thing can occur, they did make 3 great games at once, simply that if such a thing can't keep up, they are right to focus only on BF as a series going forward as I'd argue BFV and 2042 have shown the dangers of spreading the team so thin.

So I don't disagree that it can work, but can it work WITH DICE under EA? I wish they could keep up that quality across all 3 IP, I really do, but I feel after the last titles they put out, the smartest thing happening at DICE right now is them not doing Star Wars and Mirror's Edge. I think they did great jobs with both IP mind you, but with the latest issues with the BF series, its showing that such a work load on this team can't be sustained and I can't just rest on what they did with Battlefield 1, Battlefront 1 and Mirror's Edge. Now if there were able to keep that quality up, that would be another story. So I agree it can work, simply that DICE needs all the focus on BF and the time and the team to pull off quality projects, I just don't want this team spread out like that, at least not now.

If they are only focusing in BF 2042

That Dice has abandoned BF 2042, only has a skeleton crew working on the game

lol ok. kinda odd to slam them for only focusing on 2042 and then say they abandoned it in the same post lol

It was already debunked by EA btw that they stopped working on 2042, they still actually have the team working on the game btw


The fact that they are even saying more seasons are coming doesn't sound like a skeleton crew situation. That is just for updates, patches etc. Full blown seasons very much sounds like a good chunk of the team still working on the game's content. That isn't even to say they haven't started a new BF as you have to consider they are no longer making a Star Wars game (not sure if that was ever confirmed) and clearly they are no longer working on Mirror's Edge.

It means its very, very likely that half of DICE is working on the new BF, half on the DLC stuff for 2042. Keep in mind, even the idea that DICE itself stopped working on 2042 or something wouldn't be wild news, they often move on and its DICE LA that continues post launch support like DLC, update etc, but the fact that the sweden team and DICE LA are still working on this clearly shows more support is being put into this.

Why is a bigger question.

Maybe its for PR reasons to market the next BF, maybe its for feedback for the new BF instead of using the next game as a guinea pig so to speak. It seems like they want to put enough support in the game to make the argument that they'll support the next and can support it as it would be odd to make a new BF and be like "please trust us long term" only to have left 2042 behind as THAT would be the argument made during that reveal lol
 

Pakoe

Member
I don't disagree that such a thing can occur, they did make 3 great games at once, simply that if such a thing can't keep up, they are right to focus only on BF as a series going forward as I'd argue BFV and 2042 have shown the dangers of spreading the team so thin.

So I don't disagree that it can work, but can it work WITH DICE under EA? I wish they could keep up that quality across all 3 IP, I really do, but I feel after the last titles they put out, the smartest thing happening at DICE right now is them not doing Star Wars and Mirror's Edge. I think they did great jobs with both IP mind you, but with the latest issues with the BF series, its showing that such a work load on this team can't be sustained and I can't just rest on what they did with Battlefield 1, Battlefront 1 and Mirror's Edge. Now if there were able to keep that quality up, that would be another story. So I agree it can work, simply that DICE needs all the focus on BF and the time and the team to pull off quality projects, I just don't want this team spread out like that, at least not now.





lol ok. kinda odd to slam them for only focusing on 2042 and then say they abandoned it in the same post lol

It was already debunked by EA btw that they stopped working on 2042, they still actually have the team working on the game btw

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The fact that they are even saying more seasons are coming doesn't sound like a skeleton crew situation. That is just for updates, patches etc. Full blown seasons very much sounds like a good chunk of the team still working on the game's content. That isn't even to say they haven't started a new BF as you have to consider they are no longer making a Star Wars game (not sure if that was ever confirmed) and clearly they are no longer working on Mirror's Edge.

It means its very, very likely that half of DICE is working on the new BF, half on the DLC stuff for 2042. Keep in mind, even the idea that DICE itself stopped working on 2042 or something wouldn't be wild news, they often move on and its DICE LA that continues post launch support like DLC, update etc, but the fact that the sweden team and DICE LA are still working on this clearly shows more support is being put into this.

Why is a bigger question.

Maybe its for PR reasons to market the next BF, maybe its for feedback for the new BF instead of using the next game as a guinea pig so to speak. It seems like they want to put enough support in the game to make the argument that they'll support the next and can support it as it would be odd to make a new BF and be like "please trust us long term" only to have left 2042 behind as THAT would be the argument made during that reveal lol
Do we really want to believe the same people that said BF6 is way ahead of schedule?
Of course they're gonna deny what leakers have been stating.

Even if the leakers are wrong. If the last few patches and season 1 show what the majority of the team if capable of, the game will slowly die off.
I'll won't deny that there are people that are enjoying the game which is fine. But compared with what previous BF titles received as DLC, this game will never have the content which is necessary for the game to survive. They will complete year 1 with the most barebones content they need to deliver thanks to the pre-orders and after that it's done. Not even Portal will save this game and I'm not even gonna start on the shitty BR mode they tried to add.

At this point, I'm just waiting for EA to take DICE to the back of the shack.
 
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EDMIX

Member
Do we really want to believe the same people that said BF6 is way ahead of schedule?
Of course they're gonna deny what leakers have been stating.

It could be ahead of schedule and they refuse to delay it when an issue comes up.

Being ahead of schedule doesn't mean shit in terms of quality as for all we know they hit all their deadlines prior to running into issues. So I don't doubt what they saw in development with what their goals where to completion, simply didn't like the result at launch (or til dis day lol). So its hard to know what they meant by any of that. You can aim for certain goals with certain dates and still ignore quality, so its hard to know what that person even meant by a lot of that lol

They simply can't make some season 2 for all 2022 with just a update team and with no more Star Wars by DICE and now no more Mirror's Edge, it sounds more likely that the other half of DICE and DICE LA are indeed just making season 2 and another half is starting the next BF.

If the last few patches and season 1 show what the majority of the team if capable of, the game will slowly die off.

Probably. I don't know if any of that stuff can save any of this, I don't even think some Free To Play thing can save this.

But compared with what previous BF titles received as DLC, this game will never have the content which is necessary for the game to survive. They will complete year 1 with the most barebones content they need to deliver thanks to the pre-orders and after that it's done. Not even Portal will save this game and I'm not even gonna start on the shitty BR mode they tried to add.

Agreed. Its much more then just adding content to a sound base, they are redesigning whole ass maps lol I'll be surprised if we get season 2 this year, I'd be shocked if we get something next year like a new map. If that happens, it sounds like it really is a PR thing to market the next BF and get feedback to have those changes fit the new BF during its core development or something.

At this point, I'm just waiting for EA to take DICE to the back of the shack.

lol yessssssssssssss! I think they likely will still do another BF with the new leadership and if that one flops, no coming back tbh.

A DICE with no Mirror's Edge, no Star Wars and new director, designer, leadership etc fucking up a BF with more time to make basically means there would be no saving this IP with all those factors out of the way.....besides EA anyway lol Biggest factor that I feel likely would negatively impact the title. So who knows how any of this will turn out.

The next BF reveal is going to be a fucking wild one lol The more crazy it looks, the more comments will question when the other shoe will drop. They'll need to give a free fucking copy to all 2042 owners, BF4 and BF3 maps included lol zero MTX, but this is EA we are talking about lol As sad as it sounds, I don't really believe even all that would correct this. Many love saying some BF4 or BF3 remake and i just don't see that changing a lot of this.
 

Alex11

Neo Member
Mirror's Edge was literally the only thing EA made that I gave a damn about. What a shame.

Sure Catalyst had it's flaws, because everyone at the time thought an open world Mirror's Edge was a good idea. I get that it's not a sales monster, but that IP had a soul that made their studio somewhat relevant to me.

I still regularly listen to music arrangements of its soundtrack on YouTube just to zone out when the vibe is right.
Yeah, it really has so much soul this IP, and I really don't think it needs to be a sales monster, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, it isn't the type a game to invest that much in. It isn't a game heavy on the cutscenes-IMO it doesn't really need them-the first one had those 2D between missions, doesn't require to be a beast in term of graphics, the aesthetic and art was the main attraction.
For me, this minimalist approach was what hooked me in, the flow the game had, without too many distractions from cut scenes or exposition and whatnot. That feeling of being almost alone on the rooftops of that huge city, just surreal.
 

Kenneth Haight

Gold Member
Dice have one last chance, maybe. So glad I didn’t buy this abomination. I was very close. I played a few rounds of the beta and I liked it but after seeing the final game……..
 

Men_in_Boxes

Gold Member
Makes sense in the games as platform future we're headed towards.

Their #1 priority needs to be figuring out how to make the next Battlefield a success. All hands on deck...
 

Fox Mulder

Member
Who even wants mirrors edge style games from these hacks anymore? Battlefield has been broken dogshit for multiple games now.
 
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