Did RaD just killed Aliasing in The Order 1886 ?

[Turkoop]

Some of you played The Order 1886, did you noticed that this game has no any aliasing ?
I'm very impressed with their visuals work, what they are using for killing aliasing ?

 

[60EffPeeEss]

Ancient technology called Anti-Aliasing, perchance?

 

[ced]

Anti-aliasing?

Edit:

Damn you!

 

[Savantcore]

Did Modbot just killed Turkoop's thread?

 

[OnionPowder]

MSAAx4

 

[andreyblade]

Apparently it's temporal anti-aliasing (TXAA) http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-...ost-Processing-and-No-Lag-Frames-473400.shtml

 

[JDSN]

It killed GAF for me.

 

[Messofanego]

What's going on? Can't they use AA? lol

 

[cheezcake]

4xMSAA primarily, which is hardly cutting edge tech lol

 

[iNvid02]

4x ms any aliasing iirc. it does look superb

 

[OdysseusVA]

Trying to balance out the negativity, eh?

 

[josecitoxnyo]

They chose that horrible aspect ratio to crank up the MSAA, this has been said multiple times.

 

[KainXVIII]

Not entirely, some screen has jaggies, which is strange.

 

[Messofanego]

The Knack avatars back to back are freaking me out more than OP not knowing about AA.

 

[bombshell]

Apparently it's temporal anti-aliasing (TXAA) http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-...ost-Processing-and-No-Lag-Frames-473400.shtml

It's 4xMSAA plus some temporal anti-aliasing.

 

[Deadpool_X]

I'm not sure, but it sounds like they may have killed themselves with The Order.

 

[Anarion07]

Ancient technology called Anti-Aliasing, perchance?

...because every game that uses anti-aliasing has no jaggies at all?

 

[impact]

i arent think that

 

[pottuvoi]

Apparently they render to a 4xMSAA buffer and use custom resolve with temporal component.

For specular aliasing they use method based on this.
http://www.cs.columbia.edu/cg/normalmap/

source.
Crafting Next-Gen Material Pipeline for The Order: 1886.


Very impressive, cannot wait to properly see the game.

 

[Turkoop]

Really impressive what they achieved

 

[Shin-Ra]

I just watched this..

While waiting for our review and videos in a few hours, we just got a HQ video straight from Sony, showing a bridge battle. It seems like we are the first to post it (I could be wrong).Enjoy
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_the_order_1886_bridge_battle-34090_en.html

and it's silky smooth in motion. inFAMOUS SS looks clean in stills but there's still quite a lot of pixel crawling in motion.

Bring on the Forward+ renderers!

 

[Chance Hale]

Really impressive what they achieved

It's by far the best IQ achieved in a 3D console game and honestly I would take a letterboxed aspect ratio over terrible aliasing any day. Crytek's AA solution in Ryse was brilliant as well, although it does have more of a blurring effect similar to TXAA which doesn't bother me at all but others think otherwise.

 

[benson827]

Something that's been in PC since the dawn of gaming called Anti-Aliasing

 

[Graphics Horse]

I just watched this..

While waiting for our review and videos in a few hours, we just got a HQ video straight from Sony, showing a bridge battle. It seems like we are the first to post it (I could be wrong).Enjoy
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_the_order_1886_bridge_battle-34090_en.html

Heavy motion and focal blurring too which also helps (but why do the targets stay out of focus even when they're aimed towards?)

 

[AusRoachman]

I worry a lot of games are going to adopt the black bar route to achieve the amazing gfx . Whilst it may work for some games I don't want to see it in every game.

 

[Lostconfused]

...because every game that uses anti-aliasing has no jaggies at all?

When they use 4xMSAA.

 

[BPoole]

I worry a lot of games are going to adopt the black bar route to achieve the amazing gfx . Whilst it may work for some games I don't want to see it in every game.

I hate the black bars. It's pretty much shrinking the size of the TV you bought. A standard 42" screen is not cut down to roughly a 34" display. I bought the screen size I did because it's the best size relative to where I sit. I don't want gam s deciding for me that it needs to be smaller

 

[Nirolak]

It's a forward renderer (one buffer) so it's way cheaper to use anti-aliasing than a deferred (multi-buffer) renderer.

IIRC they even mentioned that as their main reason for going with forward rendering.

 

[CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls]

Can this shit not be brought up in the OT? There's like half a dozen Order threads clogging up the front of Gaming.

 

[Mabufu]

I'm not sure, but it sounds like they may have killed themselves with The Order.

That would be sad... but it's a possibility : /

 

[Deviousx]

I just watched this..

and it's silky smooth in motion. inFAMOUS SS looks clean in stills but there's still quite a lot of pixel crawling in motion.

Bring on the Forward+ renderers!

For the games that use 4xMSAA that I've read up about, it seems they utilize Forward+ rendering.

Forza Horizon 2 is native 1080p + 4xMSAA and now The Order: 1886. I'm sure there are others, but those are the two that pop into my head instantly. Native 1080p + 4xMSAA sure does bring pristine image-quality to games.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

what is this magic

 

[KKRT00]

4x MSAA, some TAA, very low contrast colors and lots of grain filter and CA.

Generally as long as Your AA solution is good, like very good and You have low contrast and a lot of visual noise You will get no to very little aliasing.

 

[Caayn]

Nope, there's still aliasing but the 4xMSAA, film grain and CA go a long way to remove aliasing.

 

[10k]

 

[Sir TapTap]

Saying "anti-aliasing" is a reason to see NO aliasing is far more ignorant than anyone not knowing what anti-aliasing is. Almost every console 3D game exhibits a degree of aliasing, usually severe, whether or not anti-aliasing is used. There's even still aliasing in supersampled Dolphin games, in the surprisingly immaculate PT, it's not something you flip a switch and it's gone. Even with good AA certain shaders and effects exaggerate aliasing or are not covered by certain AA methods--for example DOF'd edges have about twice the aliasing as other edges in TLOU:R and Infamous Second Son.

The Order's solution is simply exceptionally good, just "anti aliasing" is not a proper way to describe why it actually appears to work so well.

 

[Valnen]

They chose that horrible aspect ratio to crank up the MSAA, this has been said multiple times.

I wish all games would choose this "horrid aspect ratio" then. This game looks better than any other console game released because of the AA.

 

[Daingurse]

4xMSAA with some kind of Temporal Post Processing AA. Looks great.

 

[MadSexual]

It does look pretty crisp, but you'll still see it pretty noticeably on fenced areas and such in the daytime outdoor sections. The rooftops in chapter two had it pretty often. I doubt there is a machine in existence that could render these parts in real time without it though. Just the nature of the beast.

Crytek's AA solution in Ryse was brilliant as well, although it does have more of a blurring effect similar to TXAA which doesn't bother me at all but others think otherwise.

Is TXAA always FXAA-level blurry? I've only had it as an option in AC4 so far and it was far worse than 2xMSAA. I recall reading somewhere that it was just their implementation however. Ryse would also be a bit blurrier due to the scaling, even as well as it was handled.

 

[Seanspeed]

I think its further helped by the copious amounts of post-processing effects/filters and quality motion blur.

 

[ScepticMatt]

4x multisampling antialiasing with blur, grain, color grading and post effects to hide any remaining aliasing.

 

[epmode]

Those black bars sure help with advanced antialiasing methods too.

 

[Shin-Ra]

Heavy motion and focal blurring too which also helps (but why do the targets stay out of focus even when they're aimed towards?)

It looks like it does focus in on them like Uncharted 2/3 if you keep aiming at them.

Tearaway Unfolded's also looking very clean at fullscreen 60fps.

Most of the unsightly edges come from the depth of field, the butterflies in the last shot for example.

 

[pottuvoi]

4x MSAA, some TAA, very low contrast colors and lots of grain filter and CA.

Generally as long as Your AA solution is good, like very good and You have low contrast and a lot of visual noise You will get no to very little aliasing.

How you render specular lighting has huge impact as well.

Specular showdown
Spectacular Specular .ppt
Frequency Domian Normal Map Filtering - tube

 

[Daingurse]

It looks like it does focus in on them like Uncharted 2/3 if you keep aiming at them.

Tearaway Unfolded's also looking very clean at fullscreen 60fps.


Most of the unsightly edges come from the depth of field, the butterflies in the last shot for example.

I found Tearaway extremely clean on VIta as well. Some of the best IQ and visuals I'd ever seen on a portable.

 

[Messofanego]

Can this shit not be brought up in the OT? There's like half a dozen Order threads clogging up the front of Gaming.

That's mods work, not yours.

 

[Oppo]

It's a forward renderer (one buffer) so it's way cheaper to use anti-aliasing than a deferred (multi-buffer) renderer.

IIRC they even mentioned that as their main reason for going with forward rendering.

Is it really? I'm surprised by that.

 

[Cuyejo]

4x MSAA, some TAA, very low contrast colors and lots of grain filter and CA.

Generally as long as Your AA solution is good, like very good and You have low contrast and a lot of visual noise You will get no to very little aliasing.

CA and grain filters don't hide aliasing... If anything CA exacerbates it.

 

[CHC]

They must have invented some mind-bending new technology, I've never heard of anything that removes aliasing from an image before.

 

[FLAguy954]

It's 4xMSAA plus some temporal anti-aliasing including a layer of heavy post-processing effects.

ftfy