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[AnotherOne]

Who does DF think these videos are for? The average person doesn't know or give 2 shits about fps or res.. I'm glad for DF and that it exists and the guys are all cool but they shouldn't bother arguing with retards and mega fanboys.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

Especially considering he was fully engaged in this "unhealthy" discussion like three days ago:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/vg-t...xsx-1080p-ac-valhalla.1579207/#post-261314871

Discussing video games on a video game message board is one thing. The console zealotry that some of you practice is quite another.

"Neo" member.

Tries to pretend to be "neutral".

Immediately attacks the community.

You're not as subtle or slick as you think you are.

Neat

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

The resolution gate is back people

 

[Neo Blaster]

Best played on Xbox, just like before the patch.

You know repeatedly saying that won't change reality, don't you?

 

[Topher]

Discussing video games on a video game message board is one thing. The console zealotry that some of you practice is quite another.

Well then just ignore the "zealots" and talk about video games.

There is this handy "ignore" feature at your disposal. Click the person's name, click Ignore and.....

....wait....where'd he go?

 

[Md Ray]

Oh so you've now changed your mind?:



You people are sensational.

Lmao

 

[smart_brazileiro]

I don't think they made any changes to the PS5 version though. It's the XSX that had the change made to the resolution range to eliminate screen tearing and to reach 60FPs more often. It was just a quick fix.

There is most definitely a downgrade in lod transition, draw distance and tesselation. That's a fact. No word on the differences between quality and performance mode. For me that's probably the most useless video DF made in a long time. They just shat it out. Sorry.

 

[Neo Blaster]

I still see a lot of tears from xbox fans.

 

[Fake]

People are fightning as usual, but 720p in 2020 is really embarrassing.

 

[mrmeh]

The latest video from redgamingtech

The gpu computation potential of ps5 (higher gpu frequency, which is surprising in terms of results, raster triangle, pixel fill rate...) its unified cpu cache as its memory. The PS5 dominates in the comparisons of the first multiplatform games and that without the vrr, without oodle, without the geometry engine (house equivalent of the features rdna2 + exclusive features) him not yet mastered, whereas on XSX the vrr and vrs are already used (additional proof that there is no real delay).

So every platform will be entitled to perfs optimizations, not only the XSX as some people seem to imagine. By the way, redgamingtech points out that the potential for future improvements is greater on PS5. The argument tools/drivers/devkit in delays... etc doesn't really hold, some devs from codemasters have already denied this and several factual facts.

That guy is awful... just console war clickbait.

VRR is not an advanced feature you have to code for - believe it works with any pc game that's not got v-sync toggled on with a compatible graphics card and monitor, surprised its not working out of the box on the PS5 but Sony's other stuff is on point so maybe wasn't a priority.

VRS - I've only heard about this being used in Gears, a first party title that has been polished. I would be interested to hear if its been used on anything else yet?

I'm disappointed with how Valhalla performs on all platforms(Takes a silly set up to hit 60fps at decent res on pc). It doesn't seem a massive leap over previous open world titles? but runs like shit.

N.b only watched it being played on YouTube, not played myself so might be much more impressive for reals.

 

[Md Ray]

XBSX. The most blurry console ever

I agree. XSX's blurriness due to res drop is very apparent next to PS5 in this game, especially after the latest patch.

 

[Leyasu]

No optimisations, just lowered the res and pushed it out.


I won’t definitely be buying this game.

 

[ethomaz]

One analysis says XsX drops to 1080p, other says it drops to 1188p. One says PS5 is worse than before, anther says it’s the same.

I’ve reached “wut dah fuck” status with this game’s console performance

Both says PS5 is running worst than previous patch.

 

[Eternal21]

Looks like Sony should adopt "The Most Powerful Console" motto this gen.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Both says PS5 is running worst than previous patch.

Well df says it runs only worse in the opening cutscene. Not the gameplay

 

[Md Ray]

Well, they said they wanted to go back to the Xbox 360 era...

Well that's one way to go back

 

[DarkParadise]

Guys, now seriously. Why is the PS5 performing better, despite having a "less strong" GPU on paper? Is it because they essentially removed any bottlenecks that could happen within the system, or the custom RDNA2 (3?) features of Sony?

I still think its funny that people thought that Sony will just launch with a weaker console compared to the competition, just because they did so back with the Pro vs One X. The difference back then was that the Pro launched one year earlier than the One X. But it is still interesing to know how the PS5 can outperform the competition, even if it appears to be "weaker" on paper.

 

[regawdless]

And all this while PS5 apparently can't hit the 10tf steadily because CPU and GPU aren't able to sustain their highest clocks simultaneously.

Right guys?

 

[wachie]

Best played on Xbox, just like before the patch.

This is some sort of weird alternate reality just like STOP THE STEAL.

 

[DarkParadise]

And all this while PS5 apparently can't hit the 10tf steadily because CPU and GPU aren't able to sustain their highest clocks simultaneously.

Right guys?

Dude, keep in mind that the Series S will outperform the PS5 once the tools are actually ready.

 

[ethomaz]

Well df says it runs only worse in the opening cutscene. Not the gameplay

From what they tested yes.

Now imagine a patch that make part of the game that ram locked 60fps before to have dips now?

You will probably see people here using these dips (that where no present before) as something running worst than Series X lol

 

[regawdless]

Dude, keep in mind that the Series S will outperform the PS5 once the tools are actually ready.

True. I think the tools will be ready next Wednesday, after the SEGA acquisition.

 

[Agnostic2020]

And all this while PS5 apparently can't hit the 10tf steadily because CPU and GPU aren't able to sustain their highest clocks simultaneously.

Right guys?

Funny how fud dies quickly in face of reality. Remember they were using a fake gpu /cpu profile tweeted by a guy in xbox era discord that showed inorder to keep cpu at 3.5 ghz gpu downclocks to 0.8 ghz meaning ps5 would be 5 tf in high frame mode where cpu has to push hard

 

[Klayzer]

"Neo" member.

Tries to pretend to be "neutral".

Immediately attacks the community.

You're not as subtle or slick as you think you are.

Guess who's alt joins the fray!

 

[Md Ray]

True. I think the tools will be ready next Wednesday, after the SEGA acquisition.

 

[azertydu91]

Funny how fud dies quickly in face of reality. Remember they were using a fake gpu /cpu profile tweeted by a guy in xbox era discord that showed inorder to keep cpu at 3.5 ghz gpu downclocks to 0.8 ghz meaning ps5 would be 5 tf in high frame mode where cpu has to push hard

And the next gen thread when closed shall be renamed FUD cemetary.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Momentary drops in resolution for heavy scenes is fine. It's not like the game lives at those resolutions. No worries

 

[Shakka43]

PS5 tears very frequently. VRR makes the tears go away on Xbox.

So cool that this generation every xbox comes with a VRR ready TV packed in... Killer move by Microsoft.

 

[geordiemp]

That guy is awful... just console war clickbait.

VRR is not an advanced feature you have to code for - believe it works with any pc game that's not got v-sync toggled on with a compatible graphics card and monitor, surprised its not working out of the box on the PS5 but Sony's other stuff is on point so maybe wasn't a priority.

VRS - I've only heard about this being used in Gears, a first party title that has been polished. I would be interested to hear if its been used on anything else yet?

I'm disappointed with how Valhalla performs on all platforms(Takes a silly set up to hit 60fps at decent res on pc). It doesn't seem a massive leap over previous open world titles? but runs like shit.

N.b only watched it being played on YouTube, not played myself so might be much more impressive for reals.

VRS was heavily use dion Dirt 5 on PC, full DX12 tier 2 according to developer, in fact it was almost half the bloody screen

 

[yurinka]

So XSX is no more 20% faster than ps5?

20%? 40%!

I believe him on Capcom matters.

He was right on many RE stuff but all his SF6 & Yoshinori Ono related 'leaks' were proven to be fake/wrong.

 

[-Arcadia-]

Looks like a slapdash emergency patch to get things working better on X, which makes sense, given how quickly it emerged.

We’ll see if the game meaningfully improves in the future, but I don’t think this will be the update to do it. This is the ‘patch up the tire until later so the car doesn’t go off the road’ update.

 

[AgentP]

Momentary drops in resolution for heavy scenes is fine. It's not like the game lives at those resolutions. No worries

The worries are that it had to have the floor lowered on the world's most powerful console.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

The worries are that it had to have the floor lowered on the world's most powerful console.

It's not even noticable during gameplay. I'd much rather have that than torn frames. It's pretty much a wash. If you have to battle on certain scenes for sure the PS5 seems to keep a higher low bound resolution. Also tears more as well a little bit.

 

[yurinka]

eh, XSX runs now at a much higher and more consistent FPS and a higher average FPS. How is PS5 better? Lol
The resolution difference can’t be noticed anyways, since it’s very rare and most of the time the same.
What you notice however if you have a higher FPS.

Keep up? It runs the game at higher FPS

suddenly FPS don’t matter. Only RES:

This difference only happens on just a couple of specific cinamatic scenes, XSX achives it by rendeding ~45% less pixels than PS5 because its dynamic resolution goes down until 1188p, while the minimum in PS5 is 1440p.

Outside that the FPS is pretty much 60fps in both consoles with a few frames lost for time to time in both consoles, more frequently in XSX while running higher dynamic resolution on PS5.

PS5 is doing a better job but yes, outside these kind of comparisions videos most people won't notice any difference between both consoles in terms of resolution or fps. Now maybe the main difference will be loading times or DualSense features.

VRS was heavily use dion Dirt 5 on PC, full DX12 tier 2 according to developer, in fact it was almost half the bloody screen

In cases where both are achieving the same resolution and fps, if one console does it with VRS enabled then its image quality will be worse so it should counted as a negative point instead of a positive one.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

People are fightning as usual, but 720p in 2020 is really embarrassing.

There is nothing embarassing about having options.

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

Guys, now seriously. Why is the PS5 performing better, despite having a "less strong" GPU on paper? Is it because they essentially removed any bottlenecks that could happen within the system, or the custom RDNA2 (3?) features of Sony?

I still think its funny that people thought that Sony will just launch with a weaker console compared to the competition, just because they did so back with the Pro vs One X. The difference back then was that the Pro launched one year earlier than the One X. But it is still interesing to know how the PS5 can outperform the competition, even if it appears to be "weaker" on paper.

It's true that SeX's GPU is bigger, but this doesn't mean that it's better at everything a GPU does just because of its bigger size:

First off, both PS5 and XSX have the same amount of primitive units and ROPs.
4 = Prims 64 = ROPs
On XSX, running 4 prims at 1825 MHz gets you 7.3 Gtri/s of triangle output (rasterization) and 64 ROPs at 1825 MHz = 116.8 Gpix/s of fillrate.
On PS5, running 4 prims at 2230 MHz gets you 8.92 Gtri/s of triangle output (rasterization) and 64 ROPs at 2230 MHz = 142.72 Gpix/s of fillrate.

A clear-cut 22% uplift over XSX in favor of PS5 in both triangle output and fillrate.

And the variable clock. In situations where the game is CPU or GPU bound, one or the other not both, it's an advantage. The GPU will not be constrained by power budgets like it would with fixed clocks, the CPU will never use more energy that it actually needs to perform the task at hand preventing throttle.

Also, about the "tools".
What Microsoft is offering is a monumental thing, a single "tool" that can put games on all Xbox systems and PC, enable all the current technologies. But this comes at the cost of abstraction, which means "lower" performance. This isn't about the "tool" being mature or not, is just the reality of something designed to do what it does.
Extracting more performance of which system demands will and additional work of the developer.

But still, I believe that in the future will see SeX's performing better on multis.

 

[Fake]

There is nothing embarassing about having options.

You're mistaking 'options' with 'resolution'.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

I would love to have a talk with this guy.

 

[Concern]

So xsx has a smoother framerate after the patch. While Ps5 is dropping to the low 50s

 

[TheDude108]

So xsx has a smoother framerate after the patch. While Ps5 is dropping to the low 50s

Sure why not.

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

The resolution gate is back people

I read that as 'black' people. Like, in a "soylent green is people" sort of way.

 

[Topher]

So xsx has a smoother framerate after the patch. While Ps5 is dropping to the low 50s

 

[Agnostic2020]

So xsx has a smoother framerate after the patch. While Ps5 is dropping to the low 50s

Not at all. If u mean cutscene sure. But gameplay ps5 is almost a locked 60 at minimum 1440p which is 50% higher than xsx .sorry bud . Maybe next time

 

[Caio]

basi

So xsx has a smoother framerate after the patch. While Ps5 is dropping to the low 50s

so, basicly, after 4 pages you still didn't get anything about the Topic, congrats man.

 

[Concern]

Reminds me of when the 1X was having minor frame drops while at a much higher resolution than the pro but pro was the "winner".

Now Ps5 drops as much as 10 frames while only a little higher resolution. XSX the clear winner here. Gotta love fanboy logic

 

[Agnostic2020]

Reminds me of when the 1X was having minor frame drops while at a much higher resolution than the pro but pro was the "winner".

Now Ps5 drops as much as 10 frames while only a little higher resolution. XSX the clear winner here. Gotta love fanboy logic

No .

Ps5 does not drop in gameplay .its noted that mean fps is slightly higher than xsx in gameplay based on DF but at 50% higher resolution.

 

[LivingD3AD]

Reminds me of when the 1X was having minor frame drops while at a much higher resolution than the pro but pro was the "winner".

Now Ps5 drops as much as 10 frames while only a little higher resolution. XSX the clear winner here. Gotta love fanboy logic

You’ve no idea what are you talking about

 

[Concern]

You’ve no idea what are you talking about

Ironic coming from you. Move along now if you have nothing to add but insults warrior.

 

[GHG]

Gotta love fanboy logic

Agreed:

So xsx has a smoother framerate after the patch. While Ps5 is dropping to the low 50s

The level of delusion and cope is beyond anything we've ever seen before.

I guess that's what 12 months of eating up a bullshit marketing campaign can do to you.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Ironic coming from you. Move along now if you have nothing to add but insults warrior.

But u r wrong. What do u want us to say? Ps5 does not drops frames during gameplay but only during cutscene .in fact the gameplay mean is slightly higher for ps5 than xsx gameplay mean frame at 50% higher res