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Digital Foundry: Developers Having Difficult Time Scaling games back to PS4/Xbox One specs
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DunDunDunpachi
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Simpleton, play some games and sip your juice.
Your failure to recognize an open forum is not an excuse to screech when your brand gets criticized. Ironically, people like you are the direct cause for any movement toward a "hive" because you cannot converse without bringing Sides into it. You create the devil that you conveniently keep finding under every rock.
Stuart360
Member
Except they wont. The 960 and 970 quickly became the most used cards on Steam after they launched. The 1060 and 1070 became the most used card on Steam very quickly after launch ,with the 2060 and 2070 catching up fast after they launched, and overtook the 1070.
Go on Steam, or any PC centric forum, and you will see most are waiting for the 3000 series. So am i, i already updated my cpu and motherboard, doubled my ram to 32gb, and now just waiting for the 3000 series.
This happens on PC leading up to every new console generation.
Fake
Member
Yeah, look at all PS5 FUD threads. Make sense.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Phrixotrichus
Banned
Games are developed for the standardized console platform hardware, and if they port the game to PC you either have the minimum requirements or you don`t......
The PC is always just an afterthought and will never "hold back" console development.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Congrats on the new tag OP, well deserved.
Stuart360
Member
There is nothing to say that XSX vs XB1 games wont be the same level of differences as shown here in this vid. We just have to wait and see.
JackNightblade
Member
the only way the Halo delay is acceptable to me personally is if it means they are dropping the xb1 version
at this point, why not just add an xcloud app to the xbox store itself? let xb1 users stream xsx games rather than forcing devs to gimp games
at this point, why not just add an xcloud app to the xbox store itself? let xb1 users stream xsx games rather than forcing devs to gimp games
Krisprolls
Banned
The link he gave you shows you're wrong. Steam Survey shows only a few % of owners have 2060+ cards.
As it should since it's a bit ridiculous paying 5 times the price of a console to get roughly the same graphics and framerate.
Stuart360
Member
It changes all the time, a few months ago it was different with the 2060 and 2070 being right behind the 1060 and 1070. The 3000 series cards are coming soon and retailers often do deals to get rid of older cards. For example the 1050 and 1050ti were much lower a few months ago. Plus a lot of people were seriously put off by the 2000 series cards, due to the ridiclous prices for RTX, and many scipped that gen completely and decided to wait for the 3000 cards. The 2060 and 2070 actually did well to get so close to the 1060 and 1070.
Hell i'm still ona 980ti, which in itself is still more power than the most powerful console currently, and the card is 5 years old.
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VideodromeX
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I was banned two times only for posting things that sony fanboys dont like.
ZehDon
Gold Member
Unfortunately, the only game Microsoft has put forward to demonstrate what scaling might be able to achieve was Halo Infinite... which looked like a sub-par XB1 game. I don't blame anyone for being skeptical about the reality of Microsoft's strategy at this point.
Shmunter
Member
I think the medium was blowing smoke up our wazoos as hype for XsX ssd. Both worlds seem to be pre loaded into ram, not loaded from secondary storage on demand as initially thought.
They may have changed course, but it’s not as was announced.
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ZywyPL
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The worls doesn't end on 1st party devs, all the 3rd party publishers like EA, Ubi, Acti, Bethesda etc. will continue to support PS4/XB1 for the next few years, there are billions of dollars waiting to be made.
MasterCornholio
Member
If you get an inferior game because if last gen systems that affects the consumers of the next gen versions. Therefore anti-consumer and Halo Infinite is an example of that. It is similar to a parity clause for example.
sojuwarrior
Member
hopefully this means less cross-gen games and more ps5 & xbox series x only games
CrysisFreak
Banned
sauce?This is Phil pitching and presenting ideas .....
The end result might look enticing, but it takes several steps to get there.
mcjmetroid
Member
Does this not prove yet again that the narrative that DF are biased towards Microsoft is utter bullshit.
This is pretty damning stuff
This is pretty damning stuff
Stuart360
Member
Saying that isnt exactly helping the SSD cause then is it. That means instead of 2 games, now only 1 game used the reverse engineered exotic alien tech from Area 51 SSD's, from 2 Microsoft shows, and 1 Sony show, encompassing what 60 or 70 games?.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Nah, excluding their smaller scale projects and current gen left overs that still need releasing, all of them will have moved on to next-gen exclusives.
Shmunter
Member
Well it’s not even day 0 for the ssd driven consoles, so it’s a moot point writing the tech off just yet.
But yes, Medium ain’t it.
ZywyPL
Banned
Games like CP2077 or FC6 are "smaller scale" projects?
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Haven't you been on Neogaf lately? That's the only thing we discussed and always have done.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Where are you even trying to go with this?
Area 51 SSDs will provide the very first impact of any user trying these consoles for the first time. You know, when they turn it on and things just happen when they are supposed to happen instead making you wait in queue?
The rest takes time. Freedom takes time to be explored.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
and current gen leftovers
REDRZA MWS
Member
They are having a poor launch because they LISTENED to the feedback of their flagship game? The hyperbole on these boards is above and beyond.
Their hardware, the series x, is not only more powerful than its competitor, it’s been done for MONTHS. MS employees have had it in their homes for MONTHS. The hardware is rock solid. Not one mention of any “rumors”, unlike PS5, that the SeX couldn’t run “x” game at 4k etc etc.
Meantime, you will be able to play all the current big 3rd party games on the most powerful console where they will look/perform best. You will have an entire library of games that go back GENERATIONS that in most cases the games will be enhanced by the hardware.
Lasty, Halo being delayed is a bummerfor launch but a GREAT thing long term. Also, down the line we will get more games from MGS and all the new talent they aquired.
Now that Halo is delayed I don’t see one single “killer app” on EITHER console for launch. I’m ok with that because a console purchase is a 5-7 year investment. I’m getting both at launch and I’m going to enjoy the games I play enhanced by these machines, and looking forward to what they both have coming in the years to come.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Spiderman is a killer app. You can sing lalala as much as you want but it'll sell gangbusters
NeoLed
Member
Then they should focus on PS4/XB1 first and then scale up.
At least in Sony environment, it has a clear message that game developed for PS5 might not available for PS4. So if developers try to scale back, they make problems for themselves
GHG
Member
I sincerely hope this is a joke.
Because if you've ever done any programming and had to be constrained by older hardware or software in any way you would know how much of a nightmare it can be.
Ask any dev to make you a website but tell them it has to be 100% compatible with Internet Explorer and see what kind of reaction you get.
Shmunter
Member
The power of brands, and for this it’s a killer titanic trifecta; Spiderman + PlayStation + NextGen
it‘s a marketeers wet dream.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ports were also more competent between the two systems when it came to performance, from COD to Destiny to Titanfall due to the CPUs being closer in power than they are now.
Thirty7ven
Banned
And in 2020? A black Spiderman? The same character whose movie won an oscar in 2019?
Seems to me it's flying over a lot of people's heads just how big a deal it is.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
ZywyPL
Banned
But that's exactly what they do, no? Just adding extra RT effects, 60/120FPS modes etc. to PS4/XB1 gmes. If not and they go the other way around, then what can I say, it's not my issue if the devs choose an easy job or screw themselves up.
El Sueño
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Avengers? is it out?
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Reindeer
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Kinda ironic how Halo Infinite became a meme shortly after he said that, lol.
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Shmunter
Member
It is ironic. I swear, Phil considers himself as the Steve Jobs of 2020, with the infamous reality distortion field and all. If I will it, they will believe it. Although, probably just read Job’s Autobiography.
Common Phil, get a new strategy, the current playbook is getting kinda stale.
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
2-3 weeks beta up last week this week and next.
NeoLed
Member
I wonder what about the info on OP then. Because it make Halo:Infinite is actually went that way. Series X first, scale down to XOne
RoadHazard
Gold Member
People were so sure cross-gen wouldn't hold next gen back. While it's always been so obvious it would.
Thank god Sony is doing a proper new generation.
Thank god Sony is doing a proper new generation.
El Sueño
Member
Question: beta is the same as full game?
ik3
Neo Member
Five hundred million dollars. That’s the elephant in the room that has put 343i and several Microsoft executive’s future in doubt, and that’s why they’re all currently lying and kicking the can down the road.
Halo Infinite is never going to look or play like a next gen game - unless it goes into a whole new development cycle, jettisons Xbox One support, and has every-single-part of it reworked or remade to take advantage of the Series X. They all know it looks and plays like horse shit, but the reaction has set off an absolute firestorm of panic, with poor graphics barely scratching the surface of trouble.
You can tell from the few tiny little skirmishes they used as their big reveal, with a Warthog traversing an empty, silent landscape, horrific pop-in that they couldn’t even be bothered to record a new video to hide by looking somewhere other than directly at the mountains, and that laughable purple monkey *thing* having multiple close ups, those were THE BEST parts they could show.
That means we can safely assume that the game is not only unfinished, but that any more impressive moments literally don’t exist. Add to this the weapons being wildly uninspiring, the grappling hook mechanic exciting pretty much nobody, and you can understand why questions are being raised over whether 343i can be trusted to finish this. The 10 year plan for Halo is in tatters, and there’s now less chance of this game coming out than there is of a press release early next year saying “Technical obstacles could not be overcome”, and something something something welcome back Bungie, see you in 2023. $500,000,000 is a mind blowing amount of money, but Microsoft would sooner write that off than let 343i fuck both Halo and the Series X forever. Anyway, hi Gaf, this is my first post after lurking for fucking years.
Halo Infinite is never going to look or play like a next gen game - unless it goes into a whole new development cycle, jettisons Xbox One support, and has every-single-part of it reworked or remade to take advantage of the Series X. They all know it looks and plays like horse shit, but the reaction has set off an absolute firestorm of panic, with poor graphics barely scratching the surface of trouble.
You can tell from the few tiny little skirmishes they used as their big reveal, with a Warthog traversing an empty, silent landscape, horrific pop-in that they couldn’t even be bothered to record a new video to hide by looking somewhere other than directly at the mountains, and that laughable purple monkey *thing* having multiple close ups, those were THE BEST parts they could show.
That means we can safely assume that the game is not only unfinished, but that any more impressive moments literally don’t exist. Add to this the weapons being wildly uninspiring, the grappling hook mechanic exciting pretty much nobody, and you can understand why questions are being raised over whether 343i can be trusted to finish this. The 10 year plan for Halo is in tatters, and there’s now less chance of this game coming out than there is of a press release early next year saying “Technical obstacles could not be overcome”, and something something something welcome back Bungie, see you in 2023. $500,000,000 is a mind blowing amount of money, but Microsoft would sooner write that off than let 343i fuck both Halo and the Series X forever. Anyway, hi Gaf, this is my first post after lurking for fucking years.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
Honestly I wouldn't mind if they not only cancelled the XBO version of Halo Infinite, but cancelled the Series S as well. Maybe it does cause more technical issues than I'd of liked to thought it did? Not to mention, it's redundant now with xCloud + Gamepass coming to mobile devices (sans Apple, lol Apple) in September.
In the back of my head Series S always felt a little like a "stopgap" to me; surely people'd have no problem paying a bit more for a Series X and just enjoying that on a 1080p screen until they upgraded their monitor, right? It's not like Series X or PS5 suddenly can't run on a non-4K television! I really hope MS refocuses their next-gen approach as follows:
-Series X: Sole next-gen console, baseline target for 1st-party, powerful local (non-streaming) gaming.
-xCloud/Gamepass mobile: Companion to Series X, for those who want a cheaper way to game next-gen but are willing to sacrifice local power for cloud streaming.
...and that's all they need. Series S isn't needed in this scenario anymore. XBO cross-gen support should be cut back to just 1 year and only for select titles getting obvious XBO ports anyway like The Gunk and Grounded. Let the rest of the 1st-party focus on Series X. Let 3rd-parties focus on simply 1 next-gen SKU specification. Lock in that support, and things will go MUCH better for MS going forward.
Sometimes simpler is better.
In the back of my head Series S always felt a little like a "stopgap" to me; surely people'd have no problem paying a bit more for a Series X and just enjoying that on a 1080p screen until they upgraded their monitor, right? It's not like Series X or PS5 suddenly can't run on a non-4K television! I really hope MS refocuses their next-gen approach as follows:
-Series X: Sole next-gen console, baseline target for 1st-party, powerful local (non-streaming) gaming.
-xCloud/Gamepass mobile: Companion to Series X, for those who want a cheaper way to game next-gen but are willing to sacrifice local power for cloud streaming.
...and that's all they need. Series S isn't needed in this scenario anymore. XBO cross-gen support should be cut back to just 1 year and only for select titles getting obvious XBO ports anyway like The Gunk and Grounded. Let the rest of the 1st-party focus on Series X. Let 3rd-parties focus on simply 1 next-gen SKU specification. Lock in that support, and things will go MUCH better for MS going forward.
Sometimes simpler is better.
oldergamer
Member
Why would it have to be a separate development studio instead of just making an internal team dedicated to it? There is literally no difference. This is why i complain so much about these ideas the media latch onto that don't make sense.
Everyone is assuming that because the port down is being handled in house, it means its a port up and the older hardware is holding thing back.
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Fake
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Money, time.