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Digital Foundry: Direct Q+A: The Big DLSS 5 ML Debate + Why We Should Have Waited With Our Coverage
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violence
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Weird to see that they regretted gushing over it. I think it's cool tech. If I don't like what it does in a certain game, I'll turn it off.
Can people please stop posting Derp Face Engagment Bait.
Vick
Member
Mocking the Oblivion "reptilian eyes" and Fifa player shirt artifacts even though both are found in the DLSS5 Off footage as well.. this isn't really the way.
Jesb
Member
Yeah that was my first reaction to that response. Oh so you wanted to have an opinion not until you've seen the backlash first. Lmfao.
CloudShiner
Member
It was pitiful hearing Leadbetter explain that they've now realised they were wrong in what they said all along.
It's like the Thought Police are there in the room with them.
All this noise is pointless anyway. neural rendering is the future of high end visuals whether people like it or not, we are hitting big diminishing returns on offline rendering due to GPU progress slowing down.... AMD/Nvidia can't just keep making bigger GPU's because they are already pushing it with how big and power hungry the 5090 is. Node shrinks are not giving giant gains anymore and TSMC etc keep wanting to charge more for smaller returns.
People are going to warm up to this when AMD and Sony announce something similar, a good chunk of the hate is sour grapes right now and FOMO because it seems just like a high end Nvidia thing.
People are going to warm up to this when AMD and Sony announce something similar, a good chunk of the hate is sour grapes right now and FOMO because it seems just like a high end Nvidia thing.
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They were shitting on DLSS FG before AMD and Intel came out with their versions.
Graphical settings actually violate the artist's original intent, chud.
That was such a dumb point. Outsourcing is already extremely common for game developers. Expedition 33 famously hired people in Korea to do animations, and Insomniac is known to offload a lot of their asset creation work to outside studios.
I mean, it might be the frame generation throw into the mix but the DLSS5 results here already show issues with fast moving objects.
Those issues are in the non-DLSS5 part of the video as well. It could be FG, weirdness with the depth of field, or some combination thereof.
dgrdsv
Member
Exactly. A sad state of affairs.
Team Andromeda
Banned
I'vw said it for years, DF are all about likes and subs.
Thebonehead
Gold Member
I feel nothing but disgust for Richard. He's shown himself for the sniveling yellow toothed simp that he is. Should have waited to see what the reaction was before he posted shows what a vile cowardly cunt he is.
John is an absolute waste of space with a fragile ego, who that is no doubt feeling empowered by his ShitpitEra followers on Bluesky. Cut that gap toothed mother fucker loose
Team Andromeda
Banned
No one can take DF seriously again, cheers John
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
I don't see it as flipflopping. They clearly just wanted to clarify that the first video was first impressions and they were happy with what they saw. When it came to the backlash they just said that of course there are multiple viewpoints and not everyone on DF will agree.
It became a storm in a waterglass because of overly emotional autistic people. DF is one of my favourite channels much thanks to the people there having different outlooks and tastes. DF will probably talk about DLSS5 over several videos so it was probably self-evident to Rich and Oliver that the first video didn't need to be in-depth explaining every single nitpick they had.
What I also like about DF is that they present a lot of things in an entertaining and personal way. I don't care about dry graphics analysts on youtube who may be more knowledgeable, because I don't understand half of what they talk about, but with DF I can follow their reasoning a lot easier.
roque-swarm
Neo Member
ding ding ding!!
There is %100 a console/hardware war element to this within the larger deranged AI syndrome.
when AMD finally catches up to Nvidia with their own version of this in 2-3 years and Sony/Cerny introduces the same 2 years after that, suddenly the technology will be "%100 Halal"
Nvidia did themselves no favors with their shitty presentation and marketing, they should've never used RE9 since it's actually a good looking game with great art and characters.
They should've focused on ugly as fuck games like Starfield (ugly technically and artistically) and Dragons Age Veilguard and other games that look like up-rezed last gen games.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Chicken shits
deeptech
Member
It's not like these guys should be taken as authority on tech opinion anyhow. Nobody should, test yourself or stay deluded. But to literally spell out their irrelevance themselves, that's funny and sad. They should stick to pixel counts on consoles and fps metrics, that they do alright.
Wolzard
Member
It's kind of hard to catch, but I've seen it while playing a few matches. It seems like some kind of bug. The PC version of FIFA has always been inferior to the console versions.
Hyet
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They're technicians in touch with their feelings
TheMule1983
Member
Does anyone take these over sensitive dudes seriously anymore?
Wolzard
Member
Bojji
Gold Member
I'm not the fan of the tech but there is so much bullshit and misinformation floating around...
RCX
Member
Would it be so hard for Rich to get his teeth professionally cleaned? I mean, I don't need him to look like an instagram model but paying a little bit of attention to his appearance when working in a visual medium isn't a huge ask.
Maybe in time I'll be able to use DLSS5 to clean up the looks of YouTubers?
Maybe in time I'll be able to use DLSS5 to clean up the looks of YouTubers?
RCX
Member
His wife's boyfriend is very worried about him
RaidenJTr7
Member
Bu.. but i like the developer original artistic vision more than DLSS 5
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
Interfectum
Gold Member
They are such pussies... dark1x goes into some deep depression over AI and the rest apologize for genuine first impressions. What a clown car over there.
viveks86
Gold Member
True. We should definitely be cautious to not strawman this. Stuff like ghosting or random glitches is NOT the problem. That will easily get fixed with iteration anyway. The actual technique itself is the problem.
My sleep paralysis demon be likeBu.. but i like the developer original artistic vision more than DLSS 5
YOU PC BRO?!
Gold Member
This! The garbled artifacts are probably a result of frame generation...
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JORMBO
Darkness no more
I would have respected them more if they just stuck with their initial thoughts. Waiting to see what the crowd thinks before offering an opinion just says they are going to follow along with whatever is popular. This is what most online personalities already do and it makes things much less interesting.
ResilientBanana
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But DLSS5 implementation is tweaked and provided by the developer. You have to realize that when developers make games they make them to work across multiple platforms, the artists intent is never fully realized due to hardware and time constraints. So now if studios can leverage the extra fidelity and visuals they were originally trying to achieve utilizing AI, then they've accomplished their vision.
You can't tell me this wouldn't vastly improve many games, especially ones that are open world and limited based on their size.
Chud.
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Wolzard
Member
People are identifying common bugs and graphical glitches in games and attributing them all to DLSS5.
AltruisticFormality
Member
Are those artifacts really present in the game? If that's the case what a shitty result. To me it looks like frame generation artifacts, even if in that shot DLSS 5 is disabled.
That's another issue with Nvidia muddying the waters with the DLSS term.
Which is expected when they are trying to make things look more photorealistic, making issues stand out more, and Nvidia choose to use that footage for the demo.
Chittagong
Gold Member
They were cucked by John?! Jesus lord, how cuck do you have to be to achieve that? Tells you that his excellent retro content carriers the channel and his manbaby tantrums are a successful weapon.
Yeah it's been happening for a while. UE5 titles with Software Lumen especially, people blaming light bleeding etc on DLSS/Nvidia. Really it's more due to AMD sucking at RT is the reason SW Lumen is compromised.
WTF is he gonna do, cry like a bitch on Bluesky and then play Bubsy?
Technical limitations actually violate the artistic vision, Chud. Do
better sweetie. crackajack
Member
Blows my mind how great AI is at creating hair with some good physics, while failing with hands and consistency (probably depending on the used AI model and its age/generation). Any 2D artist probably needs many many months or years of trying before getting okay or even great hair in a proper realistic pic, let alone in an handanimated short movie, similar with people trying dynamic non lego brick hair in any modeler. Just won't work without a ton of work or experience without looking goofy or plain wrong.Nothing that DLSS5 can't fix!
I won't reiterate that opinion tomorrow. lol
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
"DLSS5 doesn't respect the original artists' visions!"Bu.. but i like the developer original artistic vision more than DLSS 5
The original artists' vision:
Same ol G
Member
Gamers Nexus is a giant loser, you can't listen to anything that comes out of his trap since he's gone on his Nvidia crusade
Because it's not a real tech channel. Straight and simple. I give a stupid example: the last a video about RE9 they claimed such artifacts was caused to the denoiser and not the PSSR2. Lol. They blamed all the time PSSR1 to be the main cause of such issues and now they discovered suddenly denoiser are not exactly part of an upscaler job.
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