3rdamention
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Looks like performance when using the Gatling gun has improved a lot, that's good...
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Digital Foundry: Fallout 4 patch 1.02 boosts PS4 performance
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BS tbh. These games are huge. It's more unlikely than ever that their teams will iron out or find issue with their game in the same way a multi-million public audience will. I absolutely wouldn't have called Fallout 4 unfinished at launch over its issues.
Dictator93
Member
Just went to that spot on my PC with 1.2 patch.
I don't have a before on PC though.
Is this with the highest in-game settings?
If so, Bathesda is more terrible than even I could have though.
Man... downgrading graphics through a patch on PC. Has this what it has come to? Remember graphics settings? Those were good times.
Ricerocket
Member
Maxed with shadow distance on high instead of ultra which I don't think would change that shot.
Carnby
Member
Dat man's best friend.
Just went to that spot on my PC with 1.2 patch.
I don't have a before on PC though.
arghhh stupid img uploader.
does this work?
Alcoholikaust
Member
Please stop it with this bullshit. Games are far more complex now then they ever were, games like Fallout 4 would take years to polish and iron out bugs.
Quality control hasn't gotten any worse, if anything its gotten harder to meet deadlines and stress-test everything properly.
Zack Zavage
Member
Planned to get this game on PC after seeing Digital Foundry's performance videos for PS4, but it's definitely good to hear that Bethesda is working on this.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
arghhh stupid img uploader.
does this work?
So they patched out the shadows on the PS4 to improve performance? Are you kidding me? That was their "fix" instead of optimizations?
Have you tried closing all the doors and taking everything you can by yourself? Then ask the dog to fetch something, 99% chance is it will be the gun.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
It's not hard to find and fix these awful framerates. They already have started a few weeks after lsunch.
PC version too apparently.
It's not hard to fix?, really?, what makes you surmise that?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
They knew the framerate was shit. Stop making excuses.
This is really dumb on Bethesda's part.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I meant more it wasn't hard to find. They knew it and shipped it any way. Keep excusing them though. They will continue to launch shitty performing games.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Cool...gonna start playing this weekend.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Holy shit Bethesda. This is some lazy ass "optimization".arghhh stupid img uploader.
does this work?
OverBlood 3
Banned
You can enter locked rooms by sitting on a chair in the room by using gaps in the walls etc
Meicyn
Gold Member
And I'm glad they did because I've had so much fun with the game.
Of course they knew the state of it at release, I don't think that is in question.
In a perfect world maybe everthing would be top notch, but this world ain't perfect, and if they need to hit the release date, then they need to hit it, and deal with the fallout later, it's just economics.
Of course, we'd all like perfectly functioning, great looking, great running games out of the box, and it does happen, but with large and complex games like FO4, it sometimes doesn't happen.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Because your giving the benefit of the doubt on a subconscious bias. They knew the game wasn't all together and that's point blank period. They didn't even try to hide it. Imo, It's totally ok to say the game was unfinished. Just because you can beat the game in its current state does not mean that bugs that can break the game (such as the elevator) can not dead stop you from playing. It's awful that some of you can't recognize finish from unfinished.
But on the other hand... I feel like it is somewhat impossible to know 100% which areas are a problem as that information would come from users once they get the game. It's shameless qa but it works because for a small team, they simply just can't with a game that large.
That shadow was not baked, it was dynamic - you can tell when the player moves underneath the shadow at about 1:19.
This is unfortunately how optimization works, so people need to knock it off with the lazy comments. A designer or layout artist added a shadow casting dynamic light where they shouldn't have. You don't try and optimize dynamic lights (which is probably like squeezing blood from a stone), you go and fix the sore spots.
There probably isn't much choice but to have this affect PC, as each platform doesn't have specific level data. What a nightmare that would be to keep track of. 99% of fixes would be needed on all platforms, and you want consistency - not correcting the same thing 3 times. Assuming modders can adjust light properties, it would be easy enough to fix this in a mod.
EDIT: I guess an alternative solution for platform specific light fixes would be to have a PC drop down for light type, and a separate override for console light type. This would likely require a code change, though, not simple data change.
This is unfortunately how optimization works, so people need to knock it off with the lazy comments. A designer or layout artist added a shadow casting dynamic light where they shouldn't have. You don't try and optimize dynamic lights (which is probably like squeezing blood from a stone), you go and fix the sore spots.
There probably isn't much choice but to have this affect PC, as each platform doesn't have specific level data. What a nightmare that would be to keep track of. 99% of fixes would be needed on all platforms, and you want consistency - not correcting the same thing 3 times. Assuming modders can adjust light properties, it would be easy enough to fix this in a mod.
EDIT: I guess an alternative solution for platform specific light fixes would be to have a PC drop down for light type, and a separate override for console light type. This would likely require a code change, though, not simple data change.
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
It's so easy to throw out the word "optimizations" without realizing the full scope of what that would mean.
Dictator93
Member
Optimizations does mean removing things quite often just FYI.
Yeah, seriously.
Terbinator
Member
Just went to that spot on my PC with 1.2 patch.
I don't have a before on PC though.
Crikey.
Agreed. And cryo gun is useless IMO. If I would complain about something it'd be the A.I.
The enemies are stupid. It's fun, but it could be way better.
Zombie James
Banned
So they improved performance by downgrading the visuals?
So they improved performance by downgrading the visuals?
How would you propose to fix it? Seeing a lot of posts like yours but nothing to back them up.
Oh I'm not making excuses. I'm just saying that calling "Quality Control" at an all time low is extremely hyperbolic.
It's Bethesda engine. No surprise here.So they improved performance by downgrading the visuals?
AgentP
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Jump to conclusions much? Do you have evidence of that other than one room? Were shadows removed from the whole level, from the whole game?
It's clear as day from the comparison video that everywhere else looks identical and performs much better. Give them the benefit of the doubt.
Is there not an "optimize engine button" on a dev machine?
I wish..
I've not used the Cryo gun on large enemies yet, but I'd think it would work well against Legendary and much higher level enemies.
Slow time, then hit hem with Cryo, then lay into with your weapon of choice. When Cryo wears off repeat.
nortonff
Hi, I'm nortonff. I spend my life going into threads to say that I don't care about the topic of the thread. It's a really good use of my time.
I refuse to play a game like this. If they don't fix the frame rate and bring back the shadows, I'll selling it.
Enough with shitty developers.
Enough with shitty developers.
Haha of course. Makes sense I guess, considering the best way to improve performance on PC is dropping the shadow distance to medium, though it's just a testament to how messed up their optimization is. There's clearly something wrong with the engine in regards to shadows. It's supremely dumb that they removed them on PC though considering I had no issues inside Corvega, just outside while on top (and continue to no matter what settings I choose).
I don't know, I've had the beta patch on Steam for the last week or so, and gotten very far into the game (about 72 hours or so), and have definitely noted a lack of dynamic shadows in interiors in many cases you would think there would be. I just chalked it up to Bethesda weirdness, since this has always been an inconsistent thing in their past games as well. Since I didn't play through these areas before the patch, I can't compare, but I wouldn't be surprised if shadows were paired back in many interior environments.
Man. Can other people confirm this as well?
psychotron
Member
It's definitely possible it's just another glitch introduced by the patch. I'm remembering how the God rays were removed from Far Cry 4, and it was a huge deal (to me too), but it ended up just being a bug.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Right, because an engine that is dated, janky, and animations that the Playstation 2 would appreciate, clearly needs to have graphical downgrades to perform better.
We are not talking state of the art graphics tech here. I would get it in a Cry Engine game (yet that engine seems more scalable). So much apologies for Bethesda. This is the only company that can make games, run like shit every generation, on dated tech, outright lie about it, and there is strong defense for them. I am baffled.
Hoping this is just a bug, otherwise, the engine is just disappointing heading into 2016.
Didn't the same thing happen with the next-gen version of GTA V?
Yes we get it people. "Optimizations" most likely remove things or downgrade visuals in slight ways. But this is Fallout 4. It already looks incredibly underwhelming to begin with.
It's like you haven't stopped for a second to realize where some of the terrible drops to 20 came from. So in an open world game, the framerate drops out of all places, inside a building going down a narrow corridor. Nothing special is going on, the graphics are flat, there's not a lot of npcs nearby or special effects, just a simple light shaft that in no way should make the framerate drop that low. "Optimization" in THIS case should not result in removing a graphical effect, or downgrading anything. It should result in Bethesda tweaking their terrible engine to properly optimize this section to the hardware. Incredibly sad that people would actually support a downgrade in sections like that. Maybe if Bethesda was a little bit more competent the framerate wouldn't tank in such a simple area.
It's like you haven't stopped for a second to realize where some of the terrible drops to 20 came from. So in an open world game, the framerate drops out of all places, inside a building going down a narrow corridor. Nothing special is going on, the graphics are flat, there's not a lot of npcs nearby or special effects, just a simple light shaft that in no way should make the framerate drop that low. "Optimization" in THIS case should not result in removing a graphical effect, or downgrading anything. It should result in Bethesda tweaking their terrible engine to properly optimize this section to the hardware. Incredibly sad that people would actually support a downgrade in sections like that. Maybe if Bethesda was a little bit more competent the framerate wouldn't tank in such a simple area.
Zombie James
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Obviously I can't give specific suggestions since I don't know the ins-and-outs of their code or engine. Maybe they forgot to turn on compiler optimization flags again, who knows?
Hard to give the benefit of the doubt to a developer like Bethesda. After flat-out lying to everyone pre-release by saying the game's a "solid 30fps" and then denying the game's performance issues post-release (not to mention all the shit with their past games, especially Skyrim), I'm giving them a very short rope.
psychotron
Member
Yes, I believe POM was accidentally removed, but later fixed.
harrisk954
Member
Wait... how does this work??? What are the steps? What is the "timing"?
I'll never see these cheats because I dismissed him and he never came back.