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[Digital Foundry] New PS5 Pro GPU details emerge - including a 2.35GHz max boost clock

Lunatic_Gamer

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Plus hardware VRS and mesh shaders

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It's the PS5 Pro graphics details I'm going to concentrate on today because the information casts an interesting new light on the upcoming console - and may deliver clarity on some of the question marks surrounding GPU performance and backwards compatibility with the existing PS5. Leaked specifications, derived from Sony's developer portal, suggest that the PS5 Pro has 30 WGP (Work Group Processors) delivering 33.5 teraflops of performance. This is up against the standard model with 18 WGP offering up an equivalent 10.23 teraflops.

On the surface level, that's an extra 227 percent of performance, except that the same Sony documents suggest only an extra 45 percent of actual game throughput. Part of the explanation comes from the RDNA 3 architecture with its dual-issue FP32 support, which doubles the amount of instructions processed, but which does not typically double game performance.


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However, beyond that, there has been confusion about backwards compatibility support with the standard PS5. We know that the PS5 has 36 compute units (two CUs per WGP), running at a maximum of 2.23GHz. However, 'reverse-engineering' PS5 Pro's 33.5TF figue suggests a 2.18GHz clock from its 60 CUs, lower than that of the standard model. Something doesn't quite make sense then, with some suggesting that the new console actually has 56 CUs, with four disabled, which would deliver a higher clock to hit that 33.5TF - and perhaps in the process provide a hardware balance that's a better fit for PS5 game compatibility.

Recent details we've seen - a part of Sony's recent developer disclosures - seem to tidy up the discrepancies to a certain degree. The standard PS5 features 18 WGP over two shader engines/four shader arrays in a 5-4-5-4 configuration, while the Pro does indeed feature 30 active WGPs over two shader engines/four shader arrays in an 8-7-8-7 set-up. Both consoles, therefore, feature four deactivated CUs - and this is confirmation of 60 CUs in the new machine.

This means that the stated 33.5TF does indeed suggest a slightly lower clock-speed for the GPU in the region of 2.18GHz - which may be the case in general operation, but the new information also reveals that the PlayStation 5 Pro can boost higher than its standard counterpart, to a maximum of 2.35GHz (a theoretical maximum of 36.1TF). However, similar to the original PS5, system performance is limited by a power ceiling, so it's rather rare for the GPU to hit that maximum and only certain games will boost that high. Bearing in mind the surfeit of compute power for standard PlayStation 5 games, we must assume that the slight reduction in general clock speed (just under three percent) likely makes no difference, while the 'ultra boost' mode should instead deliver much more graphics throughput for existing titles.

The cache structure of the new GPU changes in some areas. The 4MB of L2 cache per WGP remains the same, while L1 doubles from 128KB to 256KB to accommodate the larger numbers of compute units per shader engine. L0 cache also improves from 16KB to 32KB, which Sony says is to accommodate higher ray tracing performance.

Elsewhere, the PlayStation 5 Pro's GPU evolves to include DirectX12 Ultimate features that were omitted from the original console - so, hardware support for variable rate shading is included, along with extra features for hybrid MSAA. The primitive shader features found in RDNA 1 and the vanilla PS5 are augmented with full support for mesh shaders, which should hopefully see more widespread adoption of a very useful feature. Sony points out how the stricter requirements of this feature up against PC APIs are no longer an issue.


Stepping back from the specifics, it's still surprising to me that a 67 percent increase in compute units only translates to around 45 percent of extra performance, but similar to PS4 Pro vs PS4, increased compute does not scale in a linear fashion with increased game performance. Memory bandwidth only scales by around 29 percent from PS5 to Pro, for example. I think we'll need to look at the Pro more holistically, judged by its actual results, and PSSR upscaling could be just as transformative for Sony as it has been for Nvidia DLSS.

Extra compute power paired with machine learning-based reconstruction have proven to be a potent combination in the PC space and both working in tandem should show a clear and noticeable improvement over the standard console in terms of both image quality and performance. Sony also appears to be offering developers an easier route forward in retrofitting existing PS5 games with PSSR - and I would expect its required inputs to be similar to those used by FSR 2. So, extra resolution and a more potent reconstruction technique could be game-changing - especially for those 60fps performance modes that the vanilla PS5 is struggling with. The ability to add PSSR to existing games without migrating onto the latest Sony SDK is also going to help immensely in revisting those older titles to add support.

There are clearly lessons learned in the Pro's design too: I rather liked the PlayStation 4 Pro in its day, but there were issues and challenges for developers. Too many games simply delivered the same, or slightly tweaked experiences as the vanilla PS4 version - just running at a higher resolution (1440p vs 1080p proved commonplace). Developers I've spoken to were dismayed at having to service a 4x denser resolution with only an extra 512MB of memory, and weren't entirely convinced by Sony's checkerboard rendering tech. PS5 Pro looks like an altogether more solid package: enough compute power to increase resolution if needed, but a superior reconstruction technology that should hopefully be able to deliver convincing 4K results from 1080p inputs.

This time around, without a new wave of displays to justify a console upgrade, Sony has it all to prove in pitching the idea of a PlayStation 5 Pro - but I also remember being impressed with the results of PS4 Pro's 4.2TF GPU once I saw the demos in the flesh and I genuinely can't wait to see what this new machine is capable of.


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Alebrije

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Throw most stuff out the window of the tech speak just know its about 45% more powerful than the current PS5 and on top of that will have PSSR to upscale patched games and will have much better ray tracing
How those 45% translated on the screen? Can we expect at least 2k 60fps with better Ray tracing and jingles for PS5 Pro Game versions?

For people like us that do not know tech stuff 45% is just a number ...for example if a Game runs at 30fps o PS5 , means Will run at 43.5 FPS but all Keeps similar? Or all moves 45% better?
 
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The PS5 TF number was jumping between 9 and 11 before the actual reveal. Nothing is certain.
The one thing you can bank on is the 45% number

How those 45% translated on the screen? Can we expect at least 2k 60fps with better Ray tracing and jingles for PS5 Pro Game versions?

For people like us that do not know tech stuff 45% is just a number ...for example if a Game runs at 30fps o PS5 , means Will run at 43.5 FPS but all Keeps similar? Or all moves 45% better?
I really don't know what that entails

I have just heard of one shooter in particular that launches right before the holidays every year that already has a 120 fps option on consoles and its running nearly 4k with a fairly small effort patch wise (not allowed to say the actual shooter or who told me but 90% of the people know who and what game I am sure)
 

Dorfdad

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Let me toss this gernade into the arena. What if this ps5 pro gives enough resources and power for them to offer backward compatibility to ps3 games? Could you imagine a bigger splash and diversion to switch 2 than a 4k/120 powerhouse that also now allows ps3/ps4/ps5 upscaling on games??

That would really make some headlines imho. Plus carry them over Xbox for the remainder of ps5 lifespan
 
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nicoGec

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that sounds good, I mean, this console only makes sense if the difference is significant and can have good marketing.

Barely better resolution is not that.
 

Bojji

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Damn, if this is true, that's phenomenal.

Is it? It's 45% more powerful so nothing phenomenal about that, "ok" at best - compared to even PS4 Pro (not to mention XOX), this power jump is weak.

But PSSR is a great addition, this means we will have good IQ in (most) console games once this thing launches, no more fizzle FSR2 bullshit.
 

ChiefDada

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Is it? It's 45% more powerful so nothing phenomenal about that, "ok" at best - compared to even PS4 Pro (not to mention XOX), this power jump is weak.

But PSSR is a great addition, this means we will have good IQ in (most) console games once this thing launches, no more fizzle FSR2 bullshit.

Weird comment to make; the PS5 Pro would be formidable upgrade even without the 45% raster improvement because of PSSR and RT. The fact that we get 45% GPU on top of all this makes any reference or comparison to PS4 Pro downright laughable.
 

Xtib81

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I'm there day one no matter what. I'm hoping though, that I'll be able to enjoy the 60fps mode until the end of the generation (and not a half-baked mode like ff16 for example) especially on the big hitters like the witcher 4, DS2, Tshushima 2 etc..
 
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Is it? It's 45% more powerful so nothing phenomenal about that, "ok" at best - compared to even PS4 Pro (not to mention XOX), this power jump is weak.

But PSSR is a great addition, this means we will have good IQ in (most) console games once this thing launches, no more fizzle FSR2 bullshit.
Nothing phenomenal about 45% jump in power of an already capable machine? If you told me that games will look 1.5 x better on PS5 Pro than they do now, that would be stellar. Even the jump to PS4 Pro was pretty significant.
 
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