CitizenX3639
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[Digital Foundry] Xbox Series X Complete Specs + Ray Tracing/Gears 5/Back-Compat/Quick Resume Demo Showcase!
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A locked DRM box that will allow zero configuration internally and graphically. Facts.
M1chl
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USB offer speed in Gb/s NVme SSDs offers speed in GB/s so 20Gbps is just 2.5GB/s and that's only theoretical.
alabtrosMyster
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This is exactly what I was wondering.
Game assets are already compressed, PS4 features hardware based compression/decompression of the data on games media, I am fairly sure the one has that as well... 1TB is a measurement unit for storage in this case, compressing the data means you could put more (depending on the asset type), not that the storage is worth more.
Mass Shift
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So Nvidia was using a similar performance metric for RT. I guess that means some people are going to have get over this
ZywyPL
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Shadows=shadows, reflections=reflections, GI=GI. You want better and more shadows, you need more computing power, you want better and more reflections, you need more processing power, and RT cores is what gives exactly that to those specific applications. We have stuff like Nvidia's HBAO, VXAO, PCSS, HFTS etc. that don't need RT at all, but they tank the performance because of how much computing power (TFlops) they require.
DoctaThompson
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What's interesting is.So Nvidia was using a similar performance metric for RT. I guess that means some people are going to have get over this
From history, Nvidia laptop gpu's (Max q variants) are essentially a level below their listed title. For instance a Max-Q gtx 1080 performs similar to a desktop gtx 1070.
If this holds true again this generation, a RTX 2070 will beat the XSEX.
Mass Shift
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I hear you, but they aren't using the same RT. Just the same performance metric based on their RT.
DoctaThompson
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We don't know the performance of it, and probably won't know till the end of this year. But to think it will compete, or even be better than current solutions, is crazy to believe, especially in a mainstream living room device. Casuals aren't prepared to pay the prices to be on enthusiasts levels of hardware.
From videos, it doesn't look as impressive as Nvidia raytracing implementation in Minecraft
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xool
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That "25TF" minecraft demo is almost certainly totally irrelevant to normal RT in games.
Minecraft geometry is 99% exactly axis aligned cubes in a 3d grid. You don't need octree traversal to find first intersection at all .. the efficient way to do this is to step through the axises on the grid - this is raymarching, similar to that used with signed-distance-fields, but even simpler because you just need to find the first non-zero value in a 3d texture (which is the voxel map) ..
tldr google "volumetric raymarcher"
..also
Minecraft geometry is 99% exactly axis aligned cubes in a 3d grid. You don't need octree traversal to find first intersection at all .. the efficient way to do this is to step through the axises on the grid - this is raymarching, similar to that used with signed-distance-fields, but even simpler because you just need to find the first non-zero value in a 3d texture (which is the voxel map) ..
tldr google "volumetric raymarcher"
..also
- B+ for hardware. Tiny bit disappointed about 16GB, was hoping 20GB
- D- for presentation .. honestly the Minecraft demo can look amazing, here it looked like "who turned the lights off" .. also the Gears demo - I'm sure it looks amazing, unfortunately I'm watching on youtube .. no sure how that is supposed to work even DF's stream was 1080p60 max
- Hard F for Austin Evans .. sorry dude go back to presentation school.
Why would you focus on that stupid statement by NVIDIA when we know it is 12.155TF rdna2. It will perform much better than a 5700xt, so I don’t understand how you think what you’re saying is possibly true. I can only assume you’re just a massive troll.
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It's synthetic number. How was it calculated for XseX if we don't know NV metrics for the chip?
trancefreak64
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When do we get the Official Xbox Series X thread? I would imagine that we are getting closer to all it's glory. Peow bitches, here comes the mean black machine.
stranno
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Retro-compatibility program was cancelled on June 2019 so ... no, probably not.But will it play...
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phil_t98
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To work on the new console they said didn’t they?
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Deleted member 775630
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Bluetooth for the controller is to connect to other devices (PC, smartphones, etc.). With the console it connects via a different method that is more performant than bluetooth. Here's an article on it.
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DoctaThompson
Here we have the real benchmarks from the horse mouth.
2080Ti, BVH traversal is at 3200Mhps (mega hits per second) = 3.2Bhps
It's still much much lower than MSFT 380Bhps stated in the PR.
I do think that MSFT figure is inflated, I just don't know how.
But until we know that, I would stop with 25T vs 78T bullshit.
Here we have the real benchmarks from the horse mouth.
Ray Tracing Gems
This book is a must-have for anyone serious about rendering in real time. With the announcement of new ray tracing APIs and hardware to support them, developers can easily create real-time applications with ray tracing as a core component. As ray tracing on the GPU becomes faster, it will play a...
books.google.com.ua
It's still much much lower than MSFT 380Bhps stated in the PR.
I do think that MSFT figure is inflated, I just don't know how.
But until we know that, I would stop with 25T vs 78T bullshit.
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D DoctaThompson
Here we have the real benchmarks from the horse mouth.
2080Ti, BVH traversal is at 3200Mhps (mega hits per second) = 3.2BhpsRay Tracing Gems
This book is a must-have for anyone serious about rendering in real time. With the announcement of new ray tracing APIs and hardware to support them, developers can easily create real-time applications with ray tracing as a core component. As ray tracing on the GPU becomes faster, it will play a...books.google.com.ua
It's still much much lower than MSFT 380Bhps stated in the PR.
I do think that MSFT figure is inflated, I just don't know how.
But until we know that, I would stop with 25T vs 78T bullshit.
I can't see that quote anywhere in the book? can you quote it exactly.
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Gavin Stevens
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Can you tell me what speeds it has? Because NVMe.
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Senua
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You could?
stranno
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To work on XBOX One retro-compatibility for Scarlett. Not 360 or XBOX.
E3 2019: What’s Next for Xbox Backward Compatibility - Xbox Wire
Since the Xbox One Backward Compatibility program was announced at E3 2015, over half of all Xbox gamers have enjoyed Original Xbox or Xbox 360 games on Xbox One. During that time, the Backward Compatibility catalog we built directly from fan feedback has grown to over 600 titles including...
news.xbox.com
Series X is probably featuring exactly the same dashboard based on Windows 10 kernel. Retro-compatibility wont expand magically.
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Page 121, Find all intersections graph.
I can't see page 121 over here can you post the graph?.
Shin
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xool
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mmh interesting.
Would be nice if they enabled it for people with bluetooth headphones/soundbars etc though ..
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Because when the battery fails you have to replace the controller, with detachable u just replace the battery
Rolla
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Where are the games?
The hardware looked really intuitive but they showcased that thing with State Of Decay, and Minecraft ray tracing. All hype aside, that showing had zero impact. It didn't trend on social media. The YT channel with the most views 24 hours later isn't even a gaming channel.
Microsoft needs better traction that this. It seems like they're focusing on us and as a result, they got 2 million views. That's abysmal when you consider that there are 160 (current gen) console owners out there and all they managed was 2 million views.
It's about games. Not what Phil Spencer said. Games! Not an SSD, TFLOPS, suspend and resume, or the fan speed. Games! And so far XBOX hasn't gained any traction beyond the hardcore conversation and that only changes when they showcase games. Halo, Gears, Minecraft Raytracing, and State Of decay will not cut it.
They need to showcase games that gain traction! Halo/Gears/Forza looks like more of the same.
The hardware looked really intuitive but they showcased that thing with State Of Decay, and Minecraft ray tracing. All hype aside, that showing had zero impact. It didn't trend on social media. The YT channel with the most views 24 hours later isn't even a gaming channel.
Microsoft needs better traction that this. It seems like they're focusing on us and as a result, they got 2 million views. That's abysmal when you consider that there are 160 (current gen) console owners out there and all they managed was 2 million views.
It's about games. Not what Phil Spencer said. Games! Not an SSD, TFLOPS, suspend and resume, or the fan speed. Games! And so far XBOX hasn't gained any traction beyond the hardcore conversation and that only changes when they showcase games. Halo, Gears, Minecraft Raytracing, and State Of decay will not cut it.
They need to showcase games that gain traction! Halo/Gears/Forza looks like more of the same.
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Just as I thought your comparing two different things. The XSX numbers is number of BVH traversals a second, this seems to be something else.
xool
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We need a separate thread for this battle .. but basically - 2 highquality AA NiMH have the same capacity as the DS4 battery, and when they go flat you can just put a new pair in (no cables needed) or plug the thing in .. it's win-win.
The alternative, which I would be totally fine is replaceable Li-Ion batteries.
I never plugged my 360 controller in once. My PS4 controller has spent half its lifetime plugged in, including a long period when the battery died before I replaced it .. imo one is obviously far more 'wireless' than the other
It's ray intersections per second.
Measuring traversal per second seems stupid though.
But maybe the whole point was to get the max number possible.
Yeah it does but its what they did. I'm honestly not sure why they used that number though because the triangle test number is faster maybe because the BVH is more relevant?.
I now think it's because it has a nice PR buzz.
Without knowing how exactly they built that BVH it's totally meaningless.
Mista
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To be honest thats a very good point
iJudged
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seems like thats been the case with some neo members as well....
iJudged
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Not sure how to take that
you should, reading your comments you're coming off like a flaming jealous Sony fanboy, stop, let people be excited and hyped...
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Games will be shown at E3.
M1chl
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NO. Eneloops for life, take your shitty build-in batter elsewhere. I am really glad it stay as it is. Thanks in advance...
Mista
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Thanks for what?
M1chl
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Oh it's you, well we disagree then. Thanks for not writing it further : DThanks for what?
Why the fuck you change your avatar so often.
Mista
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M1chl
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Reading is hard. But like you are still wrong. You have to deal with that yourself : D
Mista
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The fuck is your problem? I literally said this when someone made a good point!
M1chl
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That's where we disagree, I haven't read anything before that.
Endless Fluff
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But you can replace the battery of a DS4 Controller. It's more complicated and if you're a brute you'll damage your controller but it's not like it's soldered in.
majestix1988
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This is my question for microsoft
After this reveals they made
After this reveals they made
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