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Discussion: Can the 2080Ti be able to run PS5 &XSX games on ultra 4k ?

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Recently I was able to get my hands on Asus 2080ti for about 850$ ( 1200$ Canadian is how much i paid for ) US in almost brand new state from friend of mine.

I was really hesitant to buy the card considering 3000 series coming probably at the end of this year and I do not know the performance of the 3080 compared to the 2080ti ( assuming the 3080Ti is way more powerful and expensive ). I mean, the 2080ti here costs around 2000$ tax included.

But figured the price is very fair even if the 3080 was way more powerful than 2080ti ( which I believe it should be around the same range but correct me if i am wrong, then I can always sell the ti for the 3000 series )

with that being said, the 2080ti can barely run from the videos i have seen games like Red Dead 2 4k 60 fps everything ultra. from the videos its more of 50s or so.


Now comes the new generation of consoles. which on paper the 2080 ti ( and 2080 super for that matter ) are way more powerful than GPU on XSX and PS5, how that will translate to gaming ?

Red Dead 2 on Xbox one X runs at 4k native and 30 fps but with settings around mid to low compared to PC.

Can for example XSX run the game 4k on ultra and 60 fps ?

is the nature of the closed box of console development can lead to something higher than that ?
 
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What makes you think that these games will run an equivalent of "Ultra" settings compared to their PC versions?

Edit: Sorry, don't want to come off as a dick. To answer your question: You're fine! Enjoy your GPU. Don't worry about two new plastic boxes.
 
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What makes you think that these games will run an equivalent of "Ultra" settings compared to their PC versions?
You mean the PS5 and SXS games ? of course they wont run ultra settings compared to PC. my question was is the 2080 / 2080 ti will match the PS5 and XSX games on ultra or will it be the same performance or worse ?

I am pretty sure PC for example can do the unreal engine 5 on 4k 60 fps at one point. but is the 2080 ti powerful to run for example the same demo on ultra 4k ? or we should wait for the 3000 or 4000 generation of cards for that ?
 
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..the 2080Ti is vastly overrated as a 4K 60fps card to start with.

..it's best to think of it as the ultimate, 120fps+, 1440p card.

..we are still two generations away from GPU's that can max out games at 4K and never drop below 60fps.
That's very strange because I'm playing Project Cars 2 and Assassin's Creed Origins at the moment on my 2080Ti. Maxed out and in 60FPS.
 

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You mean the PS5 and SXS games ? of course they wont run ultra settings compared to PC. my question was is the 2080 / 2080 ti will match the PS5 and XSX games on ultra or will it be the same performance or worse ?

I am pretty sure PC for example can do the unreal engine 5 on 4k 60 fps at one point. but is the 2080 ti powerful to run for example the same demo on ultra 4k ? or we should wait for the 3000 or 4000 generation of cards for that ?
In this case, your question is quite a bit more difficult to answer than I initially thought. As D Dr.D00p already pointed out, the 2080 Ti is not a safe bet for 4K gaming. Furthermore, it depends on wether you want (or have) to use a different form of ray tracing than the consoles do. It seems that the PS5 is betting on alternative, very efficient ways of tracing light for example. Nobody knows if this will also be available in future PC versions of games. If your card has to rely on more demanding tracing methods, the performance will take a big hit in comparison to what consoles will be able to achieve with their worse specs on paper. I'd say the 2080 Ti should get you easily through 2021/22, still.
 
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I don't think 2080ti will be powerful enough to provide enough headroom over consoles such that you can increase settings, resolution, and frame rate. Maybe if DLSS became common it'll will get you a lot closer.

Either way, I think you'll still enjoy what it can get you over consoles (hopefully).

There are other unknowns too. Like storage for instance, will PC be behind there and storage speed and efficiency become the bottleneck? I guess we'll find out.
 
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There is no need to wait that long anyway, at least in terms of GPU. 3080ti will be waaay more powerful than consoles. Add in smart and efficient technology like DLSS, and it's crazy what 3080ti will probably deliver.
 
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In this case, your question is quite a bit more difficult to answer than I initially thought. As D Dr.D00p already pointed out, the 2080 Ti is not a safe bet for 4K gaming. Furthermore, it depends on wether you want (or have) to use a different form of ray tracing than the consoles do. It seems that the PS5 is betting on alternative, very efficient ways of tracing light for example. Nobody knows if this will also be available in future PC versions of games. If your card has to rely on more demanding tracing methods, the performance will take a big hit in comparison to what consoles will be able to achieve with their worse specs on paper. I'd say the 2080 Ti should get you easily through 2021/22, still.
I honestly do not care about ray tracing. neither the consoles will support proper ray tracing. if anything ill developers will trace one light in a small room mid game just to tell in the box hey we have ray tracing in our game.

DLSS 2 is yeah something ill take. but i was talking in general. can the 2080ti for example run the same unreal 5 which was running 2k 30 fps on PS5 to run for example 4k 60 fps ? or will it run 2k 60 fps ?
 
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I would sell it. From experience, he cards launched over a year before the beginning of the next console generation always feel outdated and decrease in ROI the quickest as soon as PC games start targeting the specifications of the new generation.
That 2080ti will most likely struggle with the next graphical jump in games.

Also, the best card to buy which will safely max out most games released for the next 3 years is always the top of the line card that gets released one year into the new generation. So the immediate update to the 3800 series.

However, maybe things will be different now with the diminishing returns in graphics.
 

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can the 2080ti for example run the same unreal 5 which was running 2k 30 fps on PS5 to run for example 4k 60 fps ? or will it run 2k 60 fps ?
Well, I think Epic was saying you need at least a 2070 Super and NVMe to run the Unreal 5 demo "smoothly". If we assume smoothly means 1440p/30fps, then you can approximate from there how much more 2080ti can deliver over 2070 Super.

Of course this is assuming the GPU will still remain the bottleneck when you target higher fps, which may not be the case.
 
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There is no need to wait that long anyway, at least in terms of GPU. 3080ti will be waaay more powerful than consoles. Add in smart and efficient technology like DLSS, and it's crazy what 3080ti will probably deliver.
For me, the question is, can the 3080Ti run games in 4k in 5 years time when developers have a full handle on the console hardware. I'd hate to spend $800+ on a card now and have to upgrade again in 3 or 4 years time.
 

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Only with DLSS in place. The GPU already has all the tech the upcoming consoles will have like VRS, Mesh shading etc. that will boost its performance even further once games utilizing the tech finally show up, but if you want both Ultra and 60FPS then rendering natively in 1080p is the safest bet. Rumor says that DLSS3 will be applicable to any game utilizing TAA, which is the most common AA solution on nowadays, so if that turns out to be true I can see the RTX2000 cards aging like a fine wine.
 

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For me, the question is, can the 3080Ti run games in 4k in 5 years time when developers have a full handle on the console hardware. I'd hate to spend $800+ on a card now and have to upgrade again in 3 or 4 years time.
I guess we'll find out when the card is out and tested and when we see games running on the new consoles and their performance profiles.

Personally, I'm not really worried about the GPU vastly outperforming consoles through the whole generation, I'm much more concerned with storage and CPU not being that much better or even not matching for a while.
 
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XSex => around 2080 super
PS5 => around 2080 (7% slower than super)

2080Ti at 4k => about 18% faster than 2080s. (half of that at lower resolutions)


If consoles will target 30fps at 4k, there is no way you'd get 60fps @4k with your only slightly faster GPU, let alone "ultra" setting, whatever the heck "ultra" does is pretty random. Even at the same resolution and graphics settings as consoles, your GPU will barely have an edge.


PS
People on gaming formum glorifying DLSS, which is yet another fancy way to upscale, is pathetic.
 
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For me, the question is, can the 3080Ti run games in 4k in 5 years time when developers have a full handle on the console hardware. I'd hate to spend $800+ on a card now and have to upgrade again in 3 or 4 years time.
I'm not too familiar with how PC hardware as aged performance wise in comparison to what consoles have been spitting out over the course of generations. If you divide the cost of your GPU by the years (or months) you think you're going to use it, you'll get an idea if the price is worth it to you, personally. I'd say even the 3080 Ti will not be enough for serious PC gamers in 5 years (assuming 60+ fps across the board, ray tracing etc.). So either you're going to a) swallow the pill and buy into expensive hardware b) switch to consoles for maximum cost effectiveness or c) change plans and settle for mid-range GPUs by making compromises at the performance level.
 
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4K and 60fps is not cheap on PC. On 14 TF GPU (7x more TF compared to PS4) I could run only certain games at 4K 60fps.

In order to double your fps compared to consoles you will need at least double PS5 / XSX TFLOPS, so 20-24 TF. If you want 4K instead of 1440p it's another 10-12 TF, so 36 TF in totall. Of course you also want maxed out settings, so you would need over 40 TF (4x better GPU) to finally do the job, and 2080ti 2 GHz is only 17.4 TF (2GHz OC).

2080ti should however run PS5 / XSX ports in 4K 60fps if they already run at the same settings on next gen consoles.
 
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4K and 60fps is not easily achievable despite what PCMR fanatics may tell you. Such quality is not cheap on PC. On 14 TF GPU (7x more TF compared to PS4) I could run only certain games at 4K 60fps,

Of course we will be talking about PS5 / XSX ports. In order to double your fps compared to consoles you will need at least double PS5 / XSX TFLOPS, so 20-24 TF. If you want 4K instead of 1440p it's another 10-12 TF, so 36 TF in totall. Of course you also want maxed out settings, so you would need over 40 TF (4x better GPU) to finally do the job, and 2080ti 2 GHz is only 17.4 TF (2GHz OC).

2080ti should however run PS5 / XSX ports in 4K 60fps if they already run at the same settings on next gen consoles.
What kind of logic is this ? Way off with the math sir lol
 
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DLSS is the only way to achieve 4K
Upscaled 4k is not 4k, no matter how many buzzwords, including the ultimates like "AI", "machine learning", "power of the cloud", "deep learning", "Huang", "Leather Jacket" are sprinkled over it.

One of the many ways to "achieve 4k" is for developers to target that resolution. (which seems to happen with next gen consoles, thank you, AMD)
 
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You mean the PS5 and SXS games ? of course they wont run ultra settings compared to PC. my question was is the 2080 / 2080 ti will match the PS5 and XSX games on ultra or will it be the same performance or worse ?

I am pretty sure PC for example can do the unreal engine 5 on 4k 60 fps at one point. but is the 2080 ti powerful to run for example the same demo on ultra 4k ? or we should wait for the 3000 or 4000 generation of cards for that ?
Why does this matter though?

Im struggling to understand the need to create a thread about this in the first place.

This could have been a question posed to other members in an existing thread.

You bought a PC GPU which is a generation old and you want to know if it runs games at the same level as the next consoles which are pretty much still a mystery because neither of us has seen any real next gen games running on these things.
No deep dive analysis by Digital Foundry or any technical breakdown on any next gen content.

Which means all we have us guessing at this point and bo hard data to provide any informed answer to any questions relating to how these consoles run compared to existing PC parts.

So again, I ask, just...what and why are you asking this?
 
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I expect the 2080ti to always be able to deliver on-par of better performance than the next-gen consoles on the GPU front that is.. because as we all know by now, that's only 1 piece of the puzzle!

Performance isn't just detemined by GPU, it a combination of:
- HDD
- CPU
- RAM
- motherboard (north/southbridge)
ánd GPU.

The sum of its parts will be even more important/evident when UE5 is launched & completely changed the way games could be rendered.

Consoles will be VERY optimized pieces of hardware nextgen, even more so than currentgen. Therefor, I expect some truly remarkable stuff!
 

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Upscaled 4k is not 4k, no matter how many buzzwords, including the ultimates like "AI", "machine learning", "power of the cloud", "deep learning", "Huang", "Leather Jacket" are sprinkled over it.

One of the many ways to "achieve 4k" is for developers to target that resolution. (which seems to happen with next gen consoles, thank you, AMD)
Maybe you should watch some more YT on the latest gen. of DLSS (2.0). It is REALLY good and even has some benefits over native 4K, in some instances:

 

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Upscaled 4k is not 4k, no matter how many buzzwords, including the ultimates like "AI", "machine learning", "power of the cloud", "deep learning", "Huang", "Leather Jacket" are sprinkled over it.

One of the many ways to "achieve 4k" is for developers to target that resolution. (which seems to happen with next gen consoles, thank you, AMD)
Except DLSS gives better image quality and up to double the performance, so one would have to be really dumb to prefer native 4K over DLSS.
 

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Did you learn nothing from the early 2000s?
Buying the latest graphics cards (or any piece of tech) is one of the most wasteful things you can do you with your money in phases of technological advancements.

Performance isn't just detemined by GPU, it a combination of:
- HDD
- CPU
- RAM
- motherboard (north/southbridge)
ánd GPU.
Exactly. If you bought a recent piece of hardware for 1500+ bucks (and if your graphics card alone is half that, you probably did), it's not going to be outclassed by a $500 piece of hardware, even if it is a highly optimized piece of hardware with some new tech in it.
 
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Did you learn nothing from the early 2000s?
Buying the latest graphics cards (or any piece of tech) is one of the most wasteful things you can do you with your money in phases of technological advancements.
I'm itching to upgrade my 2080 ti to the 3080 ti this year. I'm just curious if it'll be the same price, or possibly cheaper this go around, as tensor cores and everything should be more mature.... But it's Nvidia we're talking about....
 

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What kind of logic is this ? Way off with the math sir lol
The simplest possible math. You need at least 2x better GPU if you want 60fps instead of 30fps, and the same with 2x higher resolution. Can you prove I'm wrong?

Just look what it takes to run PS4 games on PC at 4K 60fps. You need many times (7-8x) faster GPU to do the job and still not every PS4 port (like for example RDR2) can run at 4K 60fps on 17.4 TF (2 GHz) 2080ti.

You will be fine playing consoles ports with console settings, and that's assuming direct storage API will magically remove all I/O bottlenecks on PC 😃. But running XSX / PS5 ports with 2x more fps + 2x Higher fps and higher settings will require much faster GPU than even 2080ti.
 
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Native 4k At 60 fps?
Not a chance, the 2080ti is not capable of doing 4kultra60fps with heavy current gen games...imagine with even heavier games...

Maybe with dlss...
 
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Did you learn nothing from the early 2000s?
Buying the latest graphics cards (or any piece of tech) is one of the most wasteful things you can do you with your money in phases of technological advancements.


Exactly. If you bought a recent piece of hardware for 1500+ bucks (and if your graphics card alone is half that, you probably did), it's not going to be outclassed by a $500 piece of hardware, even if it is a highly optimized piece of hardware with some new tech in it.
Ampere 3xxx series if just few months from now. Based on leaks I will be not surprised if RTX 3070 will destroy 2080ti (especially in RT games) for half of the price.
 

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That's very strange because I'm playing Project Cars 2 and Assassin's Creed Origins at the moment on my 2080Ti. Maxed out and in 60FPS.
Slightly off topic but what CPU do you have? I have a 2080Ti but it's paired with an old i7700, running AC at 1440p 60fps is hard because my CPU gets hammered. Would be interested to know what CPU you have as I will be upgrading later this year for Cyperpunk/Valhalla.
 
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Five year old games that were released before your GPU even existed.
And? I named these 2 because they are notorious for hammering down performance. Age does not matter here. Some games are good to benchmark years after their release.

Arun1910 Arun1910 I use overclocked i7-8700K. Running games from NVMe drive also helps in my case.

I see that few people here are shitting on DLSS Most likely they never experienced it on a 4k set and have only seen some low-res YouTube videos. Last week I finished Control with DLSS enabled and it is pure magic. I was able to run the game at max settings (including Ray Tracing) at 60FPS and you can't tell the difference between it and native 4k output. It is the future.
 

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Maybe you should watch some more YT on the latest gen. of DLSS (2.0). It is REALLY good and even has some benefits over native 4K, in some instances:
I need to watch YT to see how version 2.0 of upscaling tech, who's version 1.0 sucked, does to a game that looks like something from 2007 to appreciate it's greatness.
Yeah, thanks.

It's like applying RT to games with had no shadows/light effects/reflections whatsoever, say, Minecraft and seeing something unprecedented happening.

Except DLSS gives better image quality
Upscaling technology gives better than native picture quality... I have underestimated the power of ultimate buzzwords, it seems...
 
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RDR 2 struggles to hit 4k 60 on a 2080ti (averaging 40 fps). So what do you think? Console versions just run much better on the same level of hardware than PC ports for a variety of reasons even though many people may tell you otherwise. I've seen the proof time and time again. When I had an r9 280x on my PC years ago its much stronger than a ps4's gpu yet the ps4 versions ran and looked better than when I tried them on PC at the lowest settings I could. I can tell you there is NO WAY that card is going to run anything looking like God of war or UC4 with remotely the same performance. Its console magic.
To give a solid answer, no way a 2080 ti will run any next gen game at 4k 60, unless its just a bad looking game/cartoony game or a cross gen title from a mid tier studio.
 
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..the 2080Ti is vastly overrated as a 4K 60fps card to start with.

..it's best to think of it as the ultimate, 120fps+, 1440p card.

..we are still two generations away from GPU's that can max out games at 4K and never drop below 60fps.
The entire concept is relative, because in two generations, "max" will be higher than it is now.

The real question is, is the 2080TI more powerful than the XSX and PS5 GPUs? Yes it appears to be, unequivocally.
 
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There is no need to wait that long anyway, at least in terms of GPU. 3080ti will be waaay more powerful than consoles. Add in smart and efficient technology like DLSS, and it's crazy what 3080ti will probably deliver.
This. I can’t imagine the performance you’ll get with the new cards and DLSS. a 3080ti with DLSS is likely to be enough to hold you over for years to come.
 
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Recently I was able to get my hands on Asus 2080ti for about 850$ ( 1200$ Canadian is how much i paid for ) US in almost brand new state from friend of mine.

I was really hesitant to buy the card considering 3000 series coming probably at the end of this year and I do not know the performance of the 3080 compared to the 2080ti ( assuming the 3080Ti is way more powerful and expensive ). I mean, the 2080ti here costs around 2000$ tax included.

But figured the price is very fair even if the 3080 was way more powerful than 2080ti ( which I believe it should be around the same range but correct me if i am wrong, then I can always sell the ti for the 3000 series )

with that being said, the 2080ti can barely run from the videos i have seen games like Red Dead 2 4k 60 fps everything ultra. from the videos its more of 50s or so.


Now comes the new generation of consoles. which on paper the 2080 ti ( and 2080 super for that matter ) are way more powerful than GPU on XSX and PS5, how that will translate to gaming ?

Red Dead 2 on Xbox one X runs at 4k native and 30 fps but with settings around mid to low compared to PC.

Can for example XSX run the game 4k on ultra and 60 fps ?

is the nature of the closed box of console development can lead to something higher than that ?
Make sure RTX 2080 Ti has a motherboard linked to PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD setup with 5GB/s or higher.