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Disgea 3 announced for PS3, Looks like PS2 game
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cartman414
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Dizzy said:
Personally I never complained that. It's more like the PS3 and XBox emphasize, rather than require, high-budget development and next-gen HD graphics. There's a difference.
JoshuaJSlone
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This way a mere fraction of the people who could've had access to it will, to no yet apparent advantage. There are some Wii games that could've as well been GameCube games (like SPM and Fire Emblem), but they at least had the viable excuse that many more people would actually play it as a Wii game. That doesn't make as much sense in the case of PS2/PS3.Dizzy said:
Crayon Shinchan
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sp0rsk said:
Disgaea; helping win console wars one user at a time.
SlaughterX
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I wouldn't pay over $40 for this game. Why are the sprites still so low res, I mean they're not even up to GG standards. They need Vanillaware to do the sprites work or something...
flipping_heck
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Having JUST completed Disgaea 2, i welcome this news with arms wide open, of course, visually it looks to be a PS2 game but this is a Disgaea game, this is about the gameplay dammit!
*tries to hang on to some life in this topic*
*tries to hang on to some life in this topic*
Bebpo said:
I read the statistics on the PDF.
Disgaea 1 - 295,000 JP 122,000 Overseas
Disgaea 2 - 160,000 JP 125,000 Overseas (up till currently July 3rd)
It does better digits than you think. The PS3 trolling on this thread is incredible.. some hitting on Disgaea for its graphics.. others stealth trolling like Speevy. In-****ing-credible.
TrueReligion
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Why is there bitching?
1) This game is coming out in 2008--it's obviously far from finished.
2) Disgaea PWNS
3) NIS PWNS
1) This game is coming out in 2008--it's obviously far from finished.
2) Disgaea PWNS
3) NIS PWNS
Big Shirtless Ron
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i don't give a shit about its "bad, ps1-esque" graphics, i'm just happy it's being made. 
cry more.Terrell said:
cartman414
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arias said:
And it's ok for people to harsh on the Wii in general for that?
cartman414
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arias said:
No reason you say? It's just an incredible contrast that can't be ignored. And while you are right about double standards on all sides, this is the one that is most relevant here.
As much as I would have liked Disgaea to step up in the graphics department, N1 *did* warn us it might look like a PS2 game Though a nicer looking game might have attracted new people to the franchise.
And yeah, this one gets a free pass from the Disgaea fans, though I am a bit surprised they didn't go to the platform which at this moment is the most popular (Wii). Then I realized it would mean they'd have to learn to develop for a new platform and its different architecture. Can't ask *too* much from N1 really
Though a nicer looking game might have attracted new people to the franchise.And yeah, this one gets a free pass from the Disgaea fans, though I am a bit surprised they didn't go to the platform which at this moment is the most popular (Wii). Then I realized it would mean they'd have to learn to develop for a new platform and its different architecture. Can't ask *too* much from N1 really
FortunateSon
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Speevy said:
:lol :lol :lol
Mr. Pointy
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Looks like a PSP game. It probably would have actually benefited from being a PSP game, since it has a decent enough userbase.
cartman414
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Tempy said:As much as I would have liked Disgaea to step up in the graphics department, N1 *did* warn us it might look like a PS2 game
And yeah, this one gets a free pass from the Disgaea fans, though I am a bit surprised they didn't go to the platform which at this moment is the most popular (Wii). Then I realized it would mean they'd have to learn to develop for a new platform and its different architecture. Can't ask *too* much from N1 really
Since when was Cell derived from the Emotion Engine?
Uhhhh... you do realise that PS3's architecture is entirely different from PS2, right? So it's the same exact problem.Tempy said:As much as I would have liked Disgaea to step up in the graphics department, N1 *did* warn us it might look like a PS2 game
And yeah, this one gets a free pass from the Disgaea fans, though I am a bit surprised they didn't go to the platform which at this moment is the most popular (Wii). Then I realized it would mean they'd have to learn to develop for a new platform and its different architecture. Can't ask *too* much from N1 really
EDIT: Beaten... though I was a tad more diplomatic. :/
SlaughterX
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This thread only proves that brand loyalty is sickening, regardless if it's for Sony or Nippon Ichi. I have no problem with this game being on the PS3, but I have a problem with them charging $60+ for it. Remember what the increase in development costs was supposed to be for? I don't see this game taking advantage of the graphical power of the PS3, and I doubt the AI is really going to push the CELL either.
Hey guys, I love Chrono Trigger, it's my favorite game of all time, but if they released a sequel to it on the PS3 or the 360 and it still looked like an SNES game I'm not going to spend $60 for it, and you should be ashamed to give any company that charges so much for a game that obviously doesn't cost a fraction to develop compared to other games on the same platform the same amount of money.
For the record I own both Disgaea games and a PS3...
Anyway I hope NISA has enough sense not to charge full price for this game.
Hey guys, I love Chrono Trigger, it's my favorite game of all time, but if they released a sequel to it on the PS3 or the 360 and it still looked like an SNES game I'm not going to spend $60 for it, and you should be ashamed to give any company that charges so much for a game that obviously doesn't cost a fraction to develop compared to other games on the same platform the same amount of money.
For the record I own both Disgaea games and a PS3...
Anyway I hope NISA has enough sense not to charge full price for this game.
cartman414 said:
? Not sure why this is most relevant, but NeoGAF is also really just a battlefield of massive personal agendas clashing back and forth.
Tempy said:And yeah, this one gets a free pass from the Disgaea fans, though I am a bit surprised they didn't go to the platform which at this moment is the most popular (Wii). Then I realized it would mean they'd have to learn to develop for a new platform and its different architecture. Can't ask *too* much from N1 really
It's not about the architecture - it's the hardcore base. I reckon that the hardcore base who love playing the Disgaea series are the otaku-like ones who actually play hardcore games like the fighters; especially the 2D fighters like Guilty Gears. I think Nippon Icchi probably figured that this hardcore base would probably have PS3 as their mostly likely next console destination and decided to go there. Well, it's also a feedback cycle. Now that they've decided on the PS3, the hardcore will buy a PS3. As has been seen by several posts in this thread.
Thoren said:
Hate to tell you this, but it's all about the bling bling. The hardcore are quite fanatical, and they'd probably get the game even it were abit more expensive. It's called an inelastic demand.. there's strong brand loyalty. Or at least N1 is banking on that.
arias said:
Yeah, so since its all about the 'bling bling', why wouldn't NI release the game for the Wii, where the potential to expand the userbase is greater, and the console is easier to afford for people who will buy the console just for the game?
Or better yet, why not release it on the ps2, with the potential to sell the most copies considering their die hards already own a ps2, and the userbase is so vast. Ya know, if its all about the bling bling.
cartman414
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arias said:
Personal agenda nothing. It's relevant because of the defenses raised against the lesser graphics, even though it's on the PS3. On the flip side, if it were on the Wii, people would likely be mocking it even more.
Terrell said:
Hmmm. Didn't mean to sound pernicious there if I did.
Alcander said:
No, you obviously don't understand.
I would agree about having better graphics, but I've been a sprite artist and I reckon N1 hasn't actually grown in size, so creating larger sprites would be darn expensive. If they moved to a polygon-based graphical system then that would be a different case. Upscaling 2D animated graphical content and upscaling 3D graphical content is VERY different, especially for costs. Animating sprites is done manually, by the way. As in. We alter pixel by pixel.
Now, if the speech portraits and such don't receive a graphical boost in resolution; that'd be a massive travesty. Else, while you guys have legitimate qualms, the reason behind it is real. It's also part of the reason why 2D has been by and large abandoned.
Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy didn't seem to be hurting when they made the platform jump. Nor did any other hardcore franchises that jumped off of one platform in favor of another. Once again, I think these fans would be all for getting this game at a reasonable price on a reasonably priced console... cuz we've all seen from Sony how relevant brand power is in purchasing decisions.stressboy said:
SolidSnakex
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Terrell said:
Yes because DQ and FF's fanbase is comparable to the type of fanbase that plays Disgaea.
Big Shirtless Ron
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why are there so many people complaining about its graphics? n1 are a small dev., so i wasn't expecting them to take full advantage of the psx3 hardware, and that's perfectly fine with me. i mean, it's disgaea 3, folks! c'mon..... just be glad it's coming!
edit: you guy's are a bunch of whiny tossers.
edit: you guy's are a bunch of whiny tossers.
Alcander said:
Who knows what carrots Sony has dangled infront of N1? They're not stupid.
And they probably want to be progressive. Releasing on past-gen systems while the market has been moving on to next-gen has some debilitating effects - it leaves the skill-level of your production team still stuck in last-gen while other companies have years of experience, it makes you look less prestigious, it attracts lesser talents etc. I'm not going to say more, you just need to think better about it. The Wii's larger userbase isn't the answer to everything.
I think you just agreed and disagreed with me at once. I don't understand, but I'm right about the graphics? That was all I was arguingarias said:
I'm no sprite artist, but I can't imagine it would be that much more expensive to create larger sprites for a better res. *shrug*
arias said:
The PS3 does not have the super huge player base to support such a niche game at this point, and many own it partially or completely for the Blu-Ray player. The hardcore Disgaea userbase does not own PS3s. If anything, this game should have been on DS. It sure looks like it belongs there.
If they REALLY had to put it on the PS3, moneyhats, loyalty to sony, whatever, It would sell much better at a budget price.
d[-_-]b said:
You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, but it's cute : )
Thoren said:
Harcore Disgaea userbase IN JAPAN do not own PS3s? You want to bet? Ok. That's useless because we won't ever know. My reckoning is that they do. And JP remains the larger market, and also the one without localization costs.
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