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Do I have the right to be upset with my friend?

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Aaron-Lagann

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This thread is going to require a little backstory, I have a best friend, fellow Gaffer, GraveHorizon. We've been besties for 7 almost 8 years now. We've helped each other through the roughest parts of our lives and I'm closer to him than I am anyone else, even family. We have plans to move in together in the big city next year for school and stuff. What I'm trying to say is that we're very close and I view him as my brother.

Recently, Gravey boy got a girlfriend and he wanted to spend the majority of his time with her. I've had this happen with friends before, so while I was bummed that he was spending less time with me (as we spent the vast majority of our time together) I was overall fine, since I had experience with people growing up and wanting to spend time with their GFs in the past. Not a big deal.

Where the issues come in is that Gravey boy made a promised to spend time with me regardless, he made a schedule and has kept to it. The first issue was with the girlfriend. He spends roughly 30-50% of our time hanging out complaining about her. They have nothing in common, she's clingy and complains about him spending time with me instead of her, even though we have a schedule that she agreed to. His complaints about her have done no favors in the department of endearing me to her, as even when I've been around them, she's still tried to stop him from talking to me and has complained any time he tries to have any fun. She went as far as to make a big stink about us having a conversation about Dark Souls and The Amazing Spider-Man for approximately twenty minutes in the car when she had nothing to say and didn't even want to contribute. As long as she's there, he's not free to talk to me. Even during our scheduled times she texts him nonstop, I have no problem with this, but I recently found out that she makes a fuss out of me sending even a single text to him to plan some stuff out, as she feels ignored.

Part of our schedule is us hanging out after he gets off work on Saturday nights. We go out and dance at our local bar, generally just unwind and have fun, since we rarely get the chance to do so. We're both young guys and he likes dancing with women, even though he has little to no actual intentions with them, she doesn't want him dancing with anyone, as she's underage and can't go keep an eye on him. This is a reasonable thing to be jealous of, since he is young and alright on the eyes, so I don't judge her for making stink about that. What I do mind is that he spends most of our time out either complaining about how he can't dance with girls, or pressuring me to dance with girls he can't. I only bring this up because he clearly doesn't want to be tied down and wants to have fun.

So, onto what upset me and cause the creation of this thread:

As I said, my friend and I have a standing appointment to hangout on Saturdays. We've both cancelled before, it's never been a big deal and we just went out the next week. What happened tonight was that he texted me saying that he was leaving work and would be there to pick me up, then without telling me went to spend nearly an hour with his girlfriend before coming to get me. Now, he gets off a little late on Saturdays, as he works at a restaurant and people come in late on a generally busy night, so our time hanging out and dancing is already rather limited, we're lucky if we get two hours before bars close in our town.

His girlfriend was feeling lonely, as she seems to every time we have plans to hangout, so he decided to comfort her. Perfectly reasonable, you care about a person and you don't want them to feel bad. The way he went about this was to tell me he was on his way, then leave his phone in the car for an hour without texting me to let me know what was up. This is a real problem because our town is less than savory and we've had problems with dangerous situations before, especially the location of his work. It's not much of a jump to worry about what happened to him if I don't hear from him for almost an hour. I'm freaking out over this, texting and calling him, only to find out that he had spent that time comforting the girl that has been repeatedly trying to monopolize his time entirely, and seemed to be upset over one thing or the other everyday.

He shows up and we go out, I feel justified in being a little pissed at the lack of communication, and he feels he's justified in comforting his girlfriend without letting me know what's up. We got in a big argument about this and he threatened to end our friendship over it. I don't want to lose my friend, but he's been depressed ever since he got this girlfriend and has done nothing but complain about her, so when I hear that she's upset over nothing, I feel far more than a little betrayed when he broke his promise to me in order to comfort her over what amounts to nothing.

The biggest problem I have here is that if he had merely told me, then I wouldn't have said another word. I would have been really annoyed that he'd cancel over something so petty and probably would have complained the next time we hung out, but I would have just gone to bed and moved on. Instead, I was left worried sick about him for an hour and then was essentially told that his promise meant nothing and that I'm a dick for getting upset at the lack of communication.

So, GAF, am I rightfully upset at my friend, or was he completely justified and I'm just being a jealous prick?

Also, sorry is this is a bit Facebook drama-y, I'm still a little drunk and upset.

EDIT: Upon suggestion, I feel the need to say that I'm not a homosexual and neither is my friend. We're both very close and while I have thought about the possibility of being a homosexual in general, I have never thought about him in that light and I found that I am a straight male.

EDIT 2: I was also still very drunk when I made this thread and regret it now. I'm still seeing it out as a way to maybe get some openness going between my friend and I, but I definitely went too personal in a lot of places. Either way, thanks for the help, GAF.
 

DMeisterJ

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He's your friend. Let him live his life, one day you'll find a cute girl for yourself and you'll be in the same boat. Right now, you seem like a Stage 5 clinger, having standing appointments to hang out with your friend and worrying when he doesn't text you for an hour.
 

Aaron-Lagann

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We have a hard schedule because he has a strict work schedule, so finding time to hangout was already a problem, so to make sure our friendship stays intact (Which means quite a lot to the both of us) we've had to resort to making a hangout shcedule. I wouldn't have any problems moving on entirely if we didn't have plans to move in together next year.

Don't you think he'll be a little pissed that you called him out on gaf?

We discussed using GAF to get an outside perspective on the whole thing, so he knows I made this thread.
 

Finrod

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you really sound a bit clingy dude.
A hang out schedule? freaking out after only an hour?
Situaltions like these will sort themselves out. Just go with the flow.
 

Ashes

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Girlfriend/best friend teething problems aside, if you're mature enough, & both of you want to continue this friendship,you'll breeze over this.

On the relationship front, guys don't tend to talk about how nice their girlfriend was yesterday night in bed when they had that end of the day pillow talk.

Having said that, it doesn't sound like the most healthy of relationships. They might need to work on a few things. Which is, if it needs saying, is perfectly fine.
 

Vermillion

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Real talk, you don't make plans and then change them without letting people know what's up. Not for an hour. That's just rude.
 

Aaron-Lagann

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you really sound a bit clingy dude.
A hang out schedule? freaking out after only an hour?
Situaltions like these will sort themselves out. Just go with the flow.

Like I said, there's standing reason to be worried in our town, especially when he says he's on his way.
 

Raiden

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You sound a bit clingy as well man. I get that he's your best friend and all but life happening right now. Go out with some other friends or do something else.

Also how is it not awkward for you that he'll read this thread? I mean ..
 

Aaron-Lagann

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You sound a bit clingy as well man. I get that he's your best friend and all but life happening right now. Go out with some other friends or do something else.

Also how is it not awkward for you that he'll read this thread? I mean ..

Again, we have plans to move in together in another city, we are extremely close and a lot goes into moving in together, more than just seeing each other once in awhile. I'll admit to being clingy, but only because we have plans in motion already that need ironed out. There are also extenuating circumstances that make us spending time together very important. I'm not going to say what they are, just know that us spending time together is of a very high importance right now.

And again as well, he knows about this thread and we've stealth made threads about each other in the past, so it's not super awkward for us to work things out this way.
 

Arjen

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You sound clingy as fuck dude. Being friend's isn't about how much time you spend together, you should be able to not see each other for a couple of weeks and still be good friends.
 

Aaron-Lagann

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You sound clingy as fuck dude. Being friend's isn't about how much time you spend together, you should be able to not see each other for a couple of weeks and still be good friends.

I don't view it as clingy when we have plans to hangout and he ignores them. Also, he's the one who suggested the hangout schedule, I was fine with him spending time with his girlfriend.
 

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Being annoyed at friends that ditch everyone else around them for new girlfriends / boyfriends is annoying and unfair no doubt. This doesn't sound like that much though. Sure they should have told you but they still came, they didn't leave you there for the whole night and never let you know. Do you have a right to be irritated? Sure I suppose so, but it sounds like he was just careless or didn't think that it was anything that you'd worry about, no biggie. If it continues then sure it becomes a big issue, if you regularly have plans and they are broken. I think if you think his girlfriend is getting him down then say it to him, just be honest and say what you see if you think it's impacting his life in a bad way. But I don't think you should hold a grudge over this.
 

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Tell him to ditch the girl then you two can date each other. Problem solved! She sounds like a killjoy, he can't stop complaining about her, and you get jelly. Kicking her out of your relationship makes the most sense to me.
 
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I suppose you have the right to be somewhat angry or annoyed. I mean I've been in situations (I'm sure everyone has) where my best friend(s) have pushed me to the side in favor of their relationship. Sure, it sucks, but it's something that you just have to work through and accept sometimes. I definitely wouldn't say you're in the wrong for being upset though, especially since he essentially went dark on you for an hour.

With that said, reading through the OP, it's almost like you and his girlfriend are a divorced couple fighting over visitation rights for the child. Just from everything you wrote it seems like you and her dictate his life more than he does. You both seem excessively clingy in regards to how he spends his time and who he's spending his time with.

From my point of view I'd say it's something the three of you need to work on in the future. Obviously you can't force her to change how she acts in regards to their relationship and his friendship with you but you can control your side of it. It just seems like you need to be a little bit more lax in regards to his schedule. Let her ruin her relationship with him if that's what she wants to do but there's no reason for you to jeopardize your friendship with him over what seems to be, at least in my opinion, petty shit.
 

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Aaron-Lagann

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Maybe you need a hobby besides your friend?

Maybe I didn't stress it enough in the OP. I'm not at all upset about him spending time with his girlfriend. I have had this happen and have plenty to do with my time other than hangout with him.

The problem I'm having is with him ignoring the plans we had and not letting me know what had changed. I had already made plans to hangout with him, so not knowing what changed or hearing from him for an hour had me really worried.
 

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First off, OP, here:



Because I've been there, with the best-friend-who-goes-vacant-when-in-a-relationship thing, and it hurts. A lot. It feels like abandonment. It feels like a break-up--suddenly this person that took up a significant chunk of your life, who you felt emotionally connected to and leaned on in that way, is gone. And for a reason that just doesn't feel satisfying to you, no matter how much you want to be understanding (and know that you should be), it just doesn't come easy...because you spend all your time feeling like this friendship, this thing that you've built and that mattered to you, ultimately didn't matter as much to the other person. And feeling that way sucks, no buts about it.

It's especially problematic with men, who tend to not be raised to know how to quantify and cope with feelings like this. Guys don't want to think of their friendships as "relationships" and their dissolution as "break-ups." But they feel the same...only worse because you can't even begin to cope. It also doesn't help that because the world doesn't want to see platonic friendships that way, instead of getting genuine understanding or empathy from people, you're told to "man-up" or "stop being clingy" or "you just be happy your friend is getting laid" which is all just another way we as a society rob guys of their right to have feelings other than anger or horniness.

So yeah, on an emotional level, I think you very much have a right to be upset. They're your feelings, and people can't tell you how to feel. Wish I could tell you that there was something else you could do here besides learn to cope with it or move on, but sometimes just knowing you have a right to feel the way you do goes a long way to help with that.

Also doesn't help that, yeah, GF sounds like she's being a selfish twat. And there is nothing worse than a selfish significant other. That's the type of shit that needs to be checked in the early stages of a relationship. You don't make me choose between you and my friends without damn good reason.
 

Arjen

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I don't view it as clingy when we have plans to hangout and he ignores them. Also, he's the one who suggested the hangout schedule, I was fine with him spending time with his girlfriend.

Okay, fair enough, that changes it a bit.
 

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I find it strange that you make a hard schedule to hang out with your friend. And you call the girlfriend clingy?

I was thinking maybe the girlfriend and Gravy wouldn't fight so much if Lagaan wasn't so clingy. I mean seriously a hard schedule to hang out with a friend. Maybe he has a man crush and he feels his move in plan to have Gravy all to himself is unravelling.

Edit: man crush was wrong.
 

Aaron-Lagann

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If he really didn't want to be friends, I'd be devastated, but I'd accept it and move on. The problem comes from him constantly not being happy about anything anymore. He tells me he's happy with her, then I see in his eyes that he's miserable. He's even told me the only reason he stays with her is because he's not sure anyone would date him after her.

I was thinking maybe the girlfriend and Gravy wouldn't fight so much if Lagaan wasn't so clingy. I mean seriously a hard schedule to hang out with a friend. Maybe he has a man crush and he feels his move in plan to have Gravy all to himself is unravelling.

He suggested the schedule as to be able to spend time with the both of us.
 

CrankyJay

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You guys are pretty much both at fault.

Also, the bit about the 20 minute Dark Souls conversation is disrespectful to her. You really should have had a conversation that included her.
 

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you sound...insane.
Nah, it is obvious he wants to be more than just "friends" though.

Sexually confused, perhaps? I dunno, everything OP has stated makes it sound like he's a closet homosexual.

Btw, I don't mean any of this in an offensive manner whatsoever.
 

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How old are you guys? This sounds like it'll work itself out on its own; either he'll finally get fed up and ditch the girl, or his complaining will probably get so bad that he'll no longer be fun to hang out with.
 

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Because I've been there, with the best-friend-who-goes-vacant-when-in-a-relationship thing, and it hurts. A lot. It feels like abandonment. It feels like a break-up--suddenly this person that took up a significant chunk of your life, who you felt emotionally connected to and leaned on in that way, is gone. And for a reason that just doesn't feel satisfying to you, no matter how much you want to be understanding (and know that you should be), it just doesn't come easy...because you spend all your time feeling like this friendship, this thing that you've built and that mattered to you, ultimately didn't matter as much to the other person. And feeling that way sucks, no buts about it.

It's especially problematic with men, who tend to not be raised to know how to quantify and cope with feelings like this. Guys don't want to think of their friendships as "relationships" and their dissolution as "break-ups." But they feel the same...only worse because you can't even begin to cope. It also doesn't help that because the world doesn't want to see platonic friendships that way, instead of getting genuine understanding or empathy from people, you're told to "man-up" or "stop being clingy" or "you just be happy your friend is getting laid" which is all just another way we as a society rob guys of their right to have feelings other than anger or horniness.

So yeah, on an emotional level, I think you very much have a right to be upset. They're your feelings, and people can't tell you how to feel. Wish I could tell you that there was something else you could do here besides learn to cope with it or move on, but sometimes just knowing you have a right to feel the way you do goes a long way to help with that.

Also doesn't help that, yeah, GF sounds like she's being a selfish twat. And there is nothing worse than a selfish significant other. That's the type of shit that needs to be checked in the early stages of a relationship. You don't make me choose between you and my friends without damn good reason.

This. Some people here will act macho and tell you to get over it. Fuck them. Friendship is an equally important relationship in a person's life and due to society's fucked up macho BS, men are often feel forced to neglect it when they have a GF/wife. But then the same men will whine and bitch about how lonely they are later because they abandoned their friends when they got GF/wife. Well guess what? Friendship needs to be nurtured as well or it'll die. And the older you are, the harder it is to make new friends.
 

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OP, I know it's been said before, but you're clingy.

And I know you keep responding and saying you're not, but you are.

If you called his GF clingy to her face she'd probably also deny it, so let that sink in.

Things that really shouldn't be a big deal

- hard schedules: shit happens. Things come up. I've never heard of making a hard schedule for anything outside of work.

- getting annoyed at his gf: unless she's abusing/stealing/hurting him or anything like that, who cares. He obviously cares for her and you should support him.

- the phone thing. Instead of using your jump to conclusions mat, you should have shrugged it off.

So yes, you are clingy OP. Sometimes it's hard to admit that we are the one with the character flaw.
 

Aaron-Lagann

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Nah, it is obvious he wants to be more than just "friends" though.

Sexually confused, perhaps? I dunno, everything OP has stated makes it sound like he's a closet homosexual.

Btw, I don't mean any of this in an offensive manner whatsoever.

I'm not offended, we've both had our sexuality into question over each other before. Our friendship is just really deep, though. I don't want to give it to him and he doesn't want to give it to me. It's just a matter of me feeling betrayed over something that amounts to nothing, especially when he went out of his way to make sure our friendship stays intact regardless of anything that happens.

OP, I know it's been said before, but you're clingy.

And I know you keep responding and saying you're not, but you are.

I said I was clingy. And that there's a precedent for worry.
 

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If he was actually in a dangerous area and usually informs you if he'll be late, then I think you are justified in worrying about his short-term wellbeing and being slightly angry about it. But I assume you are also somewhat irritated about your friend acting differently (due to relationship stress) with you, which in turn might have led to you being more upset about worrying than you might have been otherwise.
 

Aaron-Lagann

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How old are you guys? This sounds like it'll work itself out on its own; either he'll finally get fed up and ditch the girl, or his complaining will probably get so bad that he'll no longer be fun to hang out with.

We're both in our early twenties. It'll probably work itself out, but the relationship has been causing drama a lot in his life in general and I'm also looking for ways to help my friend. Also, he's admitted the realtionship isn't going to last for very long, which makes his problems all the more frustrating.
 

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While dudes being really close isn't a problem...this sounds mad suspect..

Its not even the typical friends upset cuz chick gets in the way kinda deal, its a few levels beyond...
 

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No offense but it sounds like you are in love with him maybe thats why you don't wanna dance with girls. No you arent justified to be upset both you and his girlfriend are being petty and need to calm the heck down.
 

Aaron-Lagann

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While dudes being really close isn't a problem...this sounds mad suspect..

Its not even the typical friends upset cuz chick gets in the way kinda deal, its a few levels beyond...

We are very close. We've told each other things nobody should ever tell anyone ever. The dark things that even when you say you've told someone everything you keep inside. We're so close people on a very frequent basis question our sexuality. We run a YouTube channel together. Almost every aspect of our lives revolves around each other. It's not very hyperbolic to say we're heterosexual life partners.

I understand how codependent that sounds and is, but seeing my best friend miserable makes me miserable as well.

EDIT: Before anyone says it, I understand the need to break this behavior and as I have repeatedly stated, I'm fine with him moving on in a lot of ways. It's still hard when he breaks promises.
 
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