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[Yixian]

If you combined the library of the PS3 and 360 you'd just about have an interesting enough collection of games to warrant purchasing a console this generation.

Games is the problem. Japan seems to be in hibernation and the west keeps delaying their triple As.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

My solution to you: Buy a PS3 or Xbox 360, or buy them both, and you're "problems" with this generation will largely evaporate. My gut tells me your a stubborn Nintendo fan who simply won't give the other consoles a shot. You feel you have legitimate reasons for keeping away but to everyone else you look bat shit insane.

So I'm a hardcore "bat shit insane" Nintendo fan, because I haven't brought a 360 or PS3 yet since I have a gaming PC to play the majority of games released on those platforms that appeal to me on?





I am aware that all the platforms are lacking in exclusives, but that doesn't mean I could wish one to have some. Again I'm listing things that would be ideal not a necessity or a deal breaker for me.

. I.. I dont understand. the 360 is like the same price, or a bit more for a pro, than the Wii, and they give you a powerful system with great graphics, but yet you complain.

So you go from an argument of the 360's power compared to the Wii to the 360's price compared to the Wii? I mean I could go on with this but this alone gives me no reason to argue since your obviously jumping through topics.

Too complicated for my tastes for a console. How so. Its only complicated if want it to be. IF you want it to be simple, just create an account and play online. You dont have to buy DLC, add friends, chat to other people, or even have fun. its all optional.

I already stated I don't apperciate the intuitiveness of it. I really don't apperciate the interface or how setting up the games work.

I dont see why it really matters too much. I understand exclusives are a large part of a system, but a game is a game, if its fun and enjoyable thats all that matter. plus, most 3rd party games run better on the 360 anyway.

Because I enjoy in-house developed games from a company supporting my console as well as having strives to push the hardware and optimize its features.

How on Earth do you find your way around operating a PC if XBLA is too complicated for you?

Same reason as why having a powerhouse system doesn't bother me. See I buy consoles for the different style in gameplay as well as the ease of use and simplicity. If I want things to be complex I'll use my PC.

If anything the system with the most creative games this gen is the ps3 (thanks to PSN).

I already stated that I'm talking about full fledged retail games and not downloadable titles.

DS is a lot more creative, but thats because of the touch screen and popularity, not because its weaker then the psp.

It's actually more so due to the mindset of the developers and the consumers as well as the systems purchasing habits. But that's more so for another topic all together.

you want a dumb down version of XBL am I right? that seems like offing advancements to me. XBL is really simple to use so I dont see the problem.

When did I state this? I said something more intuitive and simplistic then XBL, not dumbing it down.

 

[Kintaro]

If you combined the library of the PS3 and 360 you'd just about have an interesting enough collection of games to warrant purchasing a console this generation.

Games is the problem. Japan seems to be in hibernation and the west keeps delaying their triple As.

Japan isn't in hibernation. They're making games like they always did. For what sales in their home market. Just happens to be portable games.

Anyways, my inner Ackbar is screaming for me to run from this thread.

 

[Gully State]

If you combined the library of the PS3 and 360 you'd just about have an interesting enough collection of games to warrant purchasing a console this generation.

Games is the problem. Japan seems to be in hibernation and the west keeps delaying their triple As.

But that kills his $200-$300 budget.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

This really reads like the PS2, or what the Wii could be if it got a fair shake from developers.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Ironically, the Xbox has more Japanese type games than the PS3, doesn't it?

 

[Guled]

I already stated that I'm talking about full fledged retail games and not downloadable titles.

even with retail games 360 has more creative titles then the wii. Again low tech dose not equal more creative

It's actually more so due to the mindset of the developers and the consumers as well as the systems purchasing habits. But that's more so for another topic all together.

I do agree, but that has nothing to do with the tech of the system

When did I state this? I said something more intuitive and simplistic then XBL, not dumbing it down.

XBL is really simple, the only way to make it more simple is by dumbing it down

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

I'd like to point out this thread isn't about me. It's about what you would prefer in a console if there isn't a console that doesn't appeal to you this generation.

From your wants list, I would strongly recommend PS3, but with a focus on PSN Download Games. You want some more creative less tech heavy shooty games, then PSN is the shit for you, often at crazy prices. For quirky japanese titles, despite the slew of average 360 jRPG's, the PS3 provides titles like Noby Noby Boy, Valkyria, a proper new Katamari on the way and Sony's own japanese studios who seem to make an awful lot of PSN games.

Also you wont see any PS3 exclusives headed to PC often, so you can scratch that worry off as well.

While I already said the PS3 is lacking third party exclusives a fair share do appeal to me.

Valkryia Chronicles, Disgaea 3, White Knight Story, and while I was hugely disappointed Metal Gear Solid 4 (Metal Gear is still Metal Gear).

I won't mention first party because idk SONY's first party has never really appealed to me.

I also love the region-freeness (should have put that in my OP).

That saying the price is still a little to steep for me to jump. I'd much rather spend my money on software that I haven't played yet then a new platform as of now.

But I apperciate the suggestion.

I'm having a hard time thinking how they could water down the interface to Live anymore without it being frustratingly limited, but I'm curious to hear your suggestions...

It would be pretty hard for me to explain but I'll give it a shot. And keep in mind it has been a long while since I played Live (like since Call of Duty 4's release) since me and my friends usually play locally (Love that Halo 3).

I would prefer a mix of Wii and Xbox Live.

I really enjoy the Seeking... feature found in Mario Kart Wii (haven't played that one online but heard it's just like the DS one in terms of online).

However I hate that I can't mess around with the seeking feature in Wii games. I wish I could go into "Options" and tell the seeking system (or what ever it is called) and change the settings to whether or not it should search for the closest game or the game with the best connection (obviously they would have to make this very easy to do).

I also hate the stupid friends codes and wish they'd be replaced with screennames instead.

So just imagine online working like most Wii games only with screennames, with using voice chat in games, and the ability to tweak the seeking feature.

Again it doesn't have to be just like this, hell I'm fine with the Wii's online if they'd just give us screennames and better connections. This is just something that would be ideal for me.

even with retail games 360 has more creative titles then the wii. Again low tech dose not equal more creative

Please list me 360 games at retail that are as creative as Madworld, Zack and Wiki, Boom Blox, and No More Heroes.

I do agree, but that has nothing to do with the tech of the system

Actually it very well does. If you are putting out a system that is a monster house chances are after spending all that money it probably is a monsterhouse. That's why Nintendo focused on the "creativity" aspect of the DS and Wii in order to attract developers.

XBL is really simple, the only way to make it more simple is by dumbing it down

I couldn't really see that when I tried it. Then again it's been quite a while since I have and from my understanding didn't Microsoft retweak a lot of things with the Xbox interface and the likes lately?

 

[Gully State]

Honestly I get the impression that the underlying statement the OP is trying to make is that console gaming is too close to PC gaming. Console games in previous generation have always differed enough from PC gaming to warrant their purchase. However, in this gen, PC and console gaming overlap that more direct comparisons can be made that basically defines console gaming as PC gaming but on a restrictive closed platform.

The wii really should've been that distinctive console but outside first party support and a handful of 3rd party games, developers just have no idea how to utilize the hardware properly.

 

[gregor7777]

In what way is XBL not intuitive or simple? That's just blowing my mind.

XBL is...just there. It doesn't require that you do anything. It just sits there, waiting for you to fire up a game.

Are you just making this 'not intuitive enough' thing up? What part exactly doesn't meet your needs?

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

Sorry dude, but if you have a top of the line PC to play all these ports of next gen games competently, then price shouldn't be an issue for you at all.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Sorry dude, but if you have a top of the line PC to play all these ports of next gen games competently, then price shouldn't be an issue for you at all.

It is to me because consoles are more like sidetrip for me in gaming or a "secondary platform" as some might say.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Honestly I get the impression that the underlying statement the OP is trying to make is that console gaming is too close to PC gaming. Console games in previous generation have always differed enough from PC gaming to warrant their purchase. However, in this gen, PC and console gaming overlap that more direct comparisons can be made that basically defines console gaming as PC gaming but on a restrictive closed platform.

The wii really should've been that distinctive console but outside first party support and a handful of 3rd party games, developers just have no idea how to utilize the hardware properly.

I actually never thought of that, but when thinking about it it does sound right. I prefer that my consoles and PC's remain pretty far apart.

 

[AdamChrisH]

PS3... I've got a Wii and 360 and it covers 99% of bases, the other 1% I can live without. Stuff like Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, it's out on the 360 as well, so I have no need for the PS3. Perhaps I'd have felt the same about the 360 if I had got a PS3 before it.

 

[LAMBO]

PC gaming can be cheaper if you consider how much less the games cost. I buy consoles for their exclusives which is less and less every year.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

PS3... I've got a Wii and 360 and it covers 99% of bases, the other 1% I can live without. Stuff like Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, it's out on the 360 as well, so I have no need for the PS3. Perhaps I'd have felt the same about the 360 if I had got a PS3 before it.

Yes that would help a lot considering there are great 3rd party games alongside the high quality 1st part offerings. And the PSN has a tremendous amount of great games not on other platforms.

 

[Gully State]

PC gaming can be cheaper if you consider how much less the games cost. I buy consoles for their exclusives which is less and less every year.

Not only that but thanks to 3rd developers treating PC/360/PS3 as one platform, hardware has become way cheaper as a result. You get significantly better graphics at a more reasonable price point.

 

[Guled]

Please list me 360 games at retail that are as creative as Madworld, Zack and Wiki, Boom Blox, and No More Heroes.

Mirror's Edge, Prince of Persia, Orange Box, Left 4 Dead, Viva Pinata, LBP, need I go on. Plus its funny how you discount PSN and XBLA because you know it will blow your argument out of the water. Again low tech dose no way mean more creativity.

Actually it very well does. If you are putting out a system that is a monster house chances are after spending all that money it probably is a monsterhouse. That's why Nintendo focused on the "creativity" aspect of the DS and Wii in order to attract developers.

what? as you can see, 3rd party developers go more for the ps3/360. Plus again low tech dose no way mean more creativity

I couldn't really see that when I tried it. Then again it's been quite a while since I have and from my understanding didn't Microsoft retweak a lot of things with the Xbox interface and the likes lately?

whats not simple about XBL?

 

[StuBurns]

There's not a handheld console that appeals to me, I have them both, and massively prefer the DS but still don't like it very much.

As for the main consoles, I sold the Wii because it was pants, play 90% of the time on the PS3 because I live in student halls and need a web browser to connect something to the net so I can't use live, and the PS3 is quieter. I'm not totally happy with it, they all have massive room for improvement.

 

[firex]

I feel like all 3 consoles this gen suck. The Wii gets very few games that I actually want to play (thank god it has Mario and RE4, and that it's getting Klonoa) but is otherwise all right. PS3/360 are dumbed down PCs with inferior controls and inferior versions of games that wind up going to PC later, and are too expensive. At least the DS and PSP are pretty good.

But then, PC gaming is the best gaming system of all time, so it's not that fair to compare it to the console market.

 

[whitehawk]

Mirror's Edge, Prince of Persia, Orange Box, Left 4 Dead, Viva Pinata, LBP, need I go on. Plus its funny how you discount PSN and XBLA because you know it will blow your argument out of the water. Again low tech dose no way mean more creativity.

Crackdown, Skate, Geometry Wars 2, Gears of War, Assassins creed, Mass Effect (The only RPG ive ever enjoyed besides Pokemon.)

 

[durendal]

I want a Wii/360 hybrid with good games. Preferably made by Nintendo, since their first party stuff will never be available elsewhere.

 

[Zhuk]

You should undoubtedly get an Xbox 360, give Xbox LIVE a chance and you will find that it is quite simple an intuitive, anyone who has played PC gaming would find it a walk in the park. In most cases you can pop a game in and push two buttons and you will be in a game playing happily along.

The Xbox 360's architecture is considered to be well designed with developers kept in mind as it has from the start been about ease of development coupled with familiarity of the platform which is in many ways similar to the PC and countless development houses have praised the Xbox 360's ease of use when developing their titles.

Furthermore, consider that the Xbox 360 has many exclusive titles from Japanese studios this generation from studios such as Namco Banda and it has numerous JRPG's that do not appear on PC.

One thing you should also add to your equation is Xbox LIVE Arcade, which has countless great titles on it that appeal to those who aren't core gamers, many of them with great multiplayer support.

Price wise, the Xbox 360 is easily the best value for money, if you don't want or need a HDD get the Arcade or if you want one get the Pro.

 

[Cheech]

If OP thinks Live is too weird to use, stay the hell away from the PS3's non-unified online.

I think the OP does actually want a 360. Another disillusioned Wii-only owner, of which there are plenty.

And, this thread need at least one ackbar.gif before fading into the ether.

 

[Gully State]

If OP thinks Live is too weird to use, stay the hell away from the PS3's non-unified online.

I think the OP does actually want a 360. Another disillusioned Wii-only owner, of which there are plenty.

And, this thread need at least one ackbar.gif before fading into the ether.

Not sure how you can call him a disillusioned Wii-only owner when he stated multiple times that he has a gaming PC.

 

[Dragon]

I feel like all 3 consoles this gen suck. The Wii gets very few games that I actually want to play (thank god it has Mario and RE4, and that it's getting Klonoa) but is otherwise all right. PS3/360 are dumbed down PCs with inferior controls and inferior versions of games that wind up going to PC later, and are too expensive. At least the DS and PSP are pretty good.

But then, PC gaming is the best gaming system of all time, so it's not that fair to compare it to the console market.

So why did you do just that if you believe that way?

If OP thinks Live is too weird to use, stay the hell away from the PS3's non-unified online.

I think the OP does actually want a 360. Another disillusioned Wii-only owner, of which there are plenty.

And, this thread need at least one ackbar.gif before fading into the ether.

I'm not sure what is so non-unified about PS3's online anymore. Perhaps you could have made the case at the beginning of its life cycle but it's certainly up there in most features with XBL as of now. Plus its Marketplace system is much much better.

 

[zaidr]

OP is a hypocrite. He has a gaming PC, but thinks the 360 is complicated, and PS3 is too expensive. Troll Thread.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Mirror's Edge, Prince of Persia, Orange Box, Left 4 Dead, Viva Pinata, LBP, need I go on.

Maybe I should reword with what I'm trying to say here. With lower tech people will be willing to tolerate a gameplay formula or a style of game because it doesn't seem as non-belonging on the platform then it does on a higher end one. For an example of this think of why 2D games and shoot-em-ups died from console retail. They just couldn't compete with the gun-ho 3D games the market was adjusted to. This is why there is Xbox Live Arcade and PSN as they are dedicated for many small games. But the thing is that games for the 360 and PS3 on those services tend to be very short and and "pick up and play" from what I've noticed. It's the reason why games like "Aquaria" (and from my knowledge please correct me if I'm wrong) "The Ship" applied for the services but didn't make the cut. They were too "epic" and "full fledged" for the service. And they obviously can't go to retail because well they'll get eaten alive hence why such few games of such caliber are shown up at retail.

While I do agree with some of your examples (Little Big Planet and Viva Pinate) these are AAA developed games. What happens with all the developers in the middle?


This is what I mean with games like Zack and Wiki, No More Heroes, Trauma Center, Munchables, A Boy and His Blob, Muramasa, Blast Works, and Madworld as they all seem to be the games in that middle. Most these games either wouldn't fly or get much attention on the PS3/360 due to their design fundlementals (mostly not being "up with the times" but on a lower end console like the Wii in which people don't think of what the current standard in "epicness" (best word I can think of) is then they have a much better shot. Hence Trauma Center and No More Heroes modest successes.

Also your pulling in games from multiple platforms. 3 against 1? How is that fair?

Plus its funny how you discount PSN and XBLA because you know it will blow your argument out of the water.

Because those aren't fully fledged realized games? They are in general "pick up and play". I explain this in the post above.

what? as you can see, 3rd party developers go more for the ps3/360. Plus again low tech dose no way mean more creativity

Read above.

whats not simple about XBL?

I already explained.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

OP is a hypocrite. He has a gaming PC, but thinks the 360 is complicated, and PS3 is too expensive. Troll Thread.

I'm kinda with you there. There is something for everyone on all platforms. Threads like this almost serve as an excuse to bash any of said consoles/handhelds/PC.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

OP is a hypocrite. He has a gaming PC, but thinks the 360 is complicated, and PS3 is too expensive. Troll Thread.

I think the OP does actually want a 360. Another disillusioned Wii-only owner, of which there are plenty.

Is there a reason that if I remotely say something slightly negative about a platform in anyway shape or form (even if I do the same with every other platform) I'm a fanboy or troll of some kind?

Crackdown, Skate, Geometry Wars 2, Gears of War, Assassins creed, Mass Effect (The only RPG ive ever enjoyed besides Pokemon.)

...No comment.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

I'm kinda with you there. There is something for everyone on all platforms. Threads like this almost serve as an excuse to bash any of said consoles/handhelds/PC.

Yes bashing every platform.

I'm actually part of Gamer Against Games Defense Force.

Spoiler

You should undoubtedly get an Xbox 360, give Xbox LIVE a chance and you will find that it is quite simple an intuitive, anyone who has played PC gaming would find it a walk in the park. In most cases you can pop a game in and push two buttons and you will be in a game playing happily along.

The Xbox 360's architecture is considered to be well designed with developers kept in mind as it has from the start been about ease of development coupled with familiarity of the platform which is in many ways similar to the PC and countless development houses have praised the Xbox 360's ease of use when developing their titles.

Furthermore, consider that the Xbox 360 has many exclusive titles from Japanese studios this generation from studios such as Namco Banda and it has numerous JRPG's that do not appear on PC.

One thing you should also add to your equation is Xbox LIVE Arcade, which has countless great titles on it that appeal to those who aren't core gamers, many of them with great multiplayer support.

Price wise, the Xbox 360 is easily the best value for money, if you don't want or need a HDD get the Arcade or if you want one get the Pro.

Well this thread isn't dedicated to me I was just giving an example. That saying buying a 360 has come across my mind. I just haven't found enough games that I can't get already that would be worth the purchase. I'll definitely look into when the generation is over to snap up the console and said games for cheap.

 

[sykoex]

I'm starting to realize I don't really like modern games besides quirky, unique, or casual stuff. So I mostly just use my DS these days, and even then I'm often just using my R4DS to read text on it like an ebook.

 

[Fredescu]

So basically you need multiple platforms to fulfill your gaming needs? That's kind of the defining factor of this generation. There is no PS2 equivalent. Multi console future. Personally I like it, I don't need only one device to do everything.

 

[LoganKnight4949]

OP = way too picky. WAY too picky. There's mountains of good stuff out there for the current consoles.

 

[Gowans]

Another disillusioned Wii-only owner, of which there are plenty.

Before clicking on the thread I knew it would be this, GAF is like Ground Hog Day sometimes, Ned?

 

[riskVSreward]

Well this is about the worst thread I've encountered all week. You can't even make a clear point in the OP. You come off as stubborn and misinformed. If this isn't locked, it's going to topple the 10 page threshold and you'll get what you were looking for in the beginning. You aren't satisfied with the consoles because they're too powerful or too damn confusing, tough shit, that's all you've got to choose from.

Of course the thread is about you and not what others would theoretically want from some non-existent console and the rate in which you reply to every last sentence some one posts only cements that you are just trying to be a nuisance.

 

[Guled]

Maybe I should reword with what I'm trying to say here. With lower tech people will be willing to tolerate a gameplay formula or a style of game because it doesn't seem as non-belonging on the platform then it does on a higher end one. For an example of this think of why 2D games and shoot-em-ups died from console retail. They just couldn't compete with the gun-ho 3D games the market was adjusted to. This is why there is Xbox Live Arcade and PSN as they are dedicated for many small games. But the thing is that games for the 360 and PS3 on those services tend to be very short and and "pick up and play" from what I've noticed. It's the reason why games like "Aquaria" (and from my knowledge please correct me if I'm wrong) "The Ship" applied for the services but didn't make the cut. They were too "epic" and "full fledged" for the service. And they obviously can't go to retail because well they'll get eaten alive hence why such few games of such caliber are shown up at retail.

While I do agree with some of your examples (Little Big Planet and Viva Pinate) these are AAA developed games. What happens with all the developers in the middle?


This is what I mean with games like Zack and Wiki, No More Heroes, Trauma Center, Munchables, A Boy and His Blob, Muramasa, Blast Works, and Madworld as they all seem to be the games in that middle. Most these games either wouldn't fly or get much attention on the PS3/360 due to their design fundlementals (mostly not being "up with the times" but on a lower end console like the Wii in which people don't think of what the current standard in "epicness" (best word I can think of) is then they have a much better shot. Hence Trauma Center and No More Heroes modest successes.

Also your pulling in games from multiple platforms. 3 against 1? How is that fair?

Most of the games you list could have been on PSN/XBLA or retail and done just as well if not better. Also, PSN/XBLA are not just for pick up and play games. Look at Siren, Watchmen, Warhawk, Whipout HD, they have as much content/production values as retail games. The HD systems cover the big budget and smaller titles. Ignoring PSN/XBLA just because of its pick up and play is totally being ignorant. Also, save LBP all those games are on 360. Again low tech dose not equal more creative and your a fool for believing in that

 

[Stoney Mason]

Do you Feel that there isn't a Console that appeals to you this generation?

No

 

[karasu]

Why do show your console to your peers? Why waste your worry on something so senseless? Kill that noise.

 

[revolverjgw]

I love every goddamn console ever because I love games goddammit

 

[TAJ]

Wow what an ignorant post. Try reading the OP. I stated I'd prefer a console to be simplistic and having ease of use online as well as having lower tech so developers can focus more on creativity then pushing hardware as they do on the Wii and DS. And I'm "dumb" for this?

This whole thread is obviously a stealth troll against HD consoles. Having more power to work with just gives developers more options. For example, if they don't want to put the time into building highly detailed graphics assets, they could just use part of the extra power to do 1080p with lots of AA and AF at 60fps.
Then you have Fight Night Round 4 as an example of processing power being used to advance game play, with the way its new physics and collision detection influence the fighters.
No one is forcing them to use it all, anyway, especially on XBLA and PSN.

 

[billy.sea]

I didn't like the original Xbox last gen, but this gen, other than fatal RROD, I find not many fault with it. It has the best 3rd party (Western or Japanese) support out of all 3 systems, best online, most diverse games etc.

The 'Xbox has no Japanese games' stereotype need to go away. It has the most Japanese Exclusive or Time-Exclusive this gen out of all 3 platforms. (Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Ace Combat, Katamari, Dead or Alive, Tales of Versperia, Eternal Sonata, Lost Planet, REZ HD, Pac Man Championship, Dead Rising, Ninja Gaiden 2 etc)

For Wii, I love the uniqueness about it and it offers something different, but really I think it is a huge waste of potential as 3rd Party or even Nintendo failed to make more unique games for it like what they did with the DS.

For PSN, I think it has the best downloadable games, funny though as it is the most expensive systems with the most interesting cheap downloadable games. But I think it lost a lot of games that make the Playstation brand, even Sony themselves have been making new franchise and not bringing a lot of IPs that make the Playstation brand popular.

 

[madara]

Worst gen in ages, especially if your not mini game fan or fps one.

 

[bigmit3737]

If so... build a gaming quality PC

This is what I am doing actually. I was going to get a 360, but I really got sick of FPS...

I want to play some RTS games and TBS and those western rpgs that are being churned out by European developers.

 

[J-Rzez]

Sounds like you just need to wait for Sony to knock the price of the PS3 down to $299.99, or find one of those "deals" that people find here every so often. Huge 1st party stables always putting out games, with a very large and diverse game collection if you include PSN into the mix as well with some real gems there. Online is simple and of quality, plus the perks you already mentioned that you like. Hardware is seemingly the most reliable out of all the machines oddly enough as well. 3rd party is par with the 360.

And, what's so complicated about XBL? I think it's pretty simple, straight forward, and easy to use?

Overall I've been very happy with my PS3, happy with my 360, and pretty damn content with my gaming PC. There's only one console that doesn't appeal to me in the slightest, thus, I don't own it. It's been a really good gen in gaming for me overall so far, and looks to be even better in the future.

 

[Hive]

I'm perfectly fine with my DS, PC, and older systems. I'll probably never get a 360, and I don't see anything I want for a Wii or PS3 that justifies their price at the moment. Older games I never got around to getting are a goooooooo.

I'm with Scarlett on this one~!

While I'd love to get a current-gen console, I've got a huge backlog of games waiting for me since like 1992

 

[Mrbob]

Here is the new Xbox Live guide button:

I read the OP and am still scratching my head. No offense dude, but the 360 is exactly what you described sans huge Japanese games. Mainly since Japan has fallen behind on consoles this gen on a whole, and the 360 still has the best number of Japan exclusives.

Price wise, the 360 isnt too expensive. Also game software prices are plummeting with the huge influx of quality games. Wait a month after a game is out and you'll find it for 39.99.

 

[Threi]

Yes I fully agree. There isn't a "perfect" console this gen, they are all just passable for different reasons.

Software-Wise I think the ideal console would have a library of both PS3 + Wii.

Hardware-Wise I think the ideal console would have the open nature of the PS3, and the cheap price of the 360 Arcade.

In terms of interface my ideal console would pretty much be exactly like the Wii, where peripherals for various genres plug directly into the wireless main controller, which has a pointer. Basically: PUT A FUCKING POINTER IN YOUR NEXT CONSOLE MS/SONY.

I don't think the problem with the consoles is entirely the fault of the console manufacturers however, I think videogame fans have to take a lot of the blame. They segmented the market into two extremes due to their fear of change and unfounded sense of entitlement, and the industry just followed their wishes because they are a (somewhat) reliable market.

I hope that next gen Sony and Microsoft stop listening to this audience, and instead market their machines to a broader audience like Nintendo did. I also hope that Nintendo puts some fucking effort into the technical aspects of their console as well. They have indeed marketed their console towards all demographics, but all half-assedly.

 

[Gaogaogao]

only way to get what you want is to make a gaming pc.

also, just play the games you want to play on whatever console you can. there will never be a perfect console, its no use asking for one.

 

[Tutomos]

Play that complain about this gen probably play NeoGAF more than games.