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Do you think Nintendo could pull an iphone and do yearly/biyearly hardware refreshes

bomblord1

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With all the built up tension on the present I figured it would be more fun and less stressful to talk about the future. This question is more about if they could pull it off not if they would do it. However, feel free to discuss your thoughts on if they would or not.

Nintendo's NX console will be revealed in 2016 (confirmed) and most likely launch late 2016 or sometime in 2017. Iwata has been discussing the need for a Unified OS architecture (and they have made appropriate partnerships to create this) that allows a game made for one device to work on another. However, a unified OS has other advantages specifically *backwards compatibility* should future hardware have the same OS we could see more frequent hardware releases as games would just work on the next iteration and generational changes would be less of major shift and more of a smooth slide.

Now, phones go through yearly hardware refreshes already part of the reason this is possible is the Unified OS architecture that they share (and Nintendo will soon be adopting). A person can go several years without refreshing the iphone because they all run the same OS and most major apps and games will continue to work with their phone for the foreseeable future and most developers target their apps and games at systems that are still several years old in order to reach the widest audience.

Despite this fact the enthusiasts will typically update their phone at either the 1 or 2 year mark. This is not a minor purchase and is typically around $600 but even so year after year Iphone's, Galaxies, and other major phone brands sell more than the year before and some will outsell major game systems. Seeing these examples proves the business model is both possible and sustainable. A lot of this tends to be because of contracts being up however the day 1 sales of the iphone are typically not as people line up and pre-order months in advance and pay the price in full.

Obviously Nintendo doesn't make smartphones they make game systems but modern game systems can nearly do all the major functions of a smartphone (web, email, etc) minus make calls on cellular they are for all intents and purposes a multipurpose device. Even so they are still dedicated to gaming and not quite analogues to a phone. Because of these differences I think a bi-yearly refresh would be better than a yearly one. This would make the "generational leap" a bit more apparent and give consumers a bit more confidence in the longevity of their devices This would give a roughly 4 year window before a given device is "obsolete" which is not too far removed from the current 5-6 year cycle. And perfectly in line with their current model of a minor handheld upgrade halfway through the lifecycle.

I think it's also important to say whatever this would end up being it would need to be launched as a "third pillar" product until the waters have been proven.

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Advantages
It would make Nintendo more competitive with the encroaching smartphone market.

It would keep hardware competitive throughout it's lifecycle instead a flickering moment of being competitive followed by obsolescence.

It would encourage smaller games and more experimentation within genres

It would take Nintendo out of direct competition with the other game systems on the market

Disadvantages
Some games already take 2+ years to make so your game would either release on the older hardware or have to be developed in a shorter time period

It would discourage the AAA game market and longer dev cycles

It would take Nintendo out of direct competition with the other game systems on the market

It could lessen "innovation" between cycles as R&D would have to be done more quickly and safely.

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It would split the userbase
The idea would be a singular OS that would ensure that older platforms can still run the games. The dev's would more than likely target a lower denominator in order to increase sales which has already been observed in phone games you should mean we have at least 2 cycles (4 years) before a system becomes loses major support.

But devs wouldn't support this/ would just go for the lowest common denominator
Major developers are already doing it on mobile with developers like Konami embracing it to a startlingly degree. Going for the lowest common denominator with minor enhancements for the more powerful hardware is also being done on Nintendo hardware already just look at Smash Bros 3DS and Monster Hunter 4.

Nintendo wouldn't do this
I'm aware of that that is why I mentioned this is more of a "what if"/could they could pull it off however if you would like to discuss the possibility of them doing it feel free. Keep in mind not too long ago Nintendo would have never created mobile games however now we have this recent DeNA partnership.

You sound like you are talking about the NX being a handheld when it's basically confirmed to be a console
I'm trying to refer to the NX as less of a singular system and more of a "platform" that would encompass both handhelds and home consoles. As that seems to be what all the hints point too.

Why Nintendo?
From what I see neither of them are setup to do this with their console segments. Microsoft has something going with it's Win10 Xbox backend and the unification with PC but they don't have a handheld which would make the most sense for this kind of refresh cycle. They in a sense already do it with the surface line. Sony has the Vita but honestly the Vita didn't even get a mention at Sony's conference and is virtually non-existent at their E3 booth. They also don't seem to have any plans to unify OS architecture or move towards a fully backwards compatible future. They sort of do it with their Xperia phone line already.

Lolwut
Thank you for your wonderful contribution

Anyway, that's all I have I'm sure many of you will come up with creative arguments both for and against the idea that I could never foresee it's just my hope that this will generate some interesting discussion and not just turn into a one sided thing. I've done my best to outline my reasoning and support it but I'm far from perfect. What are your thoughts?

TLDR I think it would be interesting to see Nintendo try a bi-yearly hardware refresh cycle.
 

v1oz

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They could do it with handhelds and consoles. As long as they maintain backward compatibility every year by mandating to developers that the games should run decently even on old hardware and support each hardware iteration for a full 5 years.
 

BGBW

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Most people don't outright buy a new phone every year. They get an upgrade as part of their contract. There is no parallel here.
 

Patryn

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No?

The 3DS had a rough start and see what happened to the Wii U.

What happens when you're asking people to buy a new piece of hardware that often?

Terrible, terrible idea.
 

Reila

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That would be the perfect way to make me stop caring about Nintendo for real. I already dislike the short lifetime of most Nintendo systems. But having to buy new hardware every year to keep playing new games? Yeah, no thanks.
 

bobbychalkers

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Seeing how N3DS content is going....no. Its a terrible idea to split your base like that, especially with a dwindling marketshare.
 

MouldyK

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Stop asking stupid questions.


My next thread should be "Do you think Nintendo could rocket babies to the moon?" because that would be as smart as this question is.
 

NippleViking

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Would be nice if everyone didn't simply laugh and castigate you like that.

Doubtful though. Research and Development is incredibly expensive, and would be difficult to offset. An even and consistent platform is a pretty central part of home consoles as well, as splitting user base and requiring devs to make multiple versions is problematic. I feel maybe a handheld refreshed biennially/yearly could work however.
 
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Don't they already with their handhelds?

GBA - '01
GBA SP - '03
DS - '04
GB micro - '05
Lite - '06
DSi - '08
DSi XL - '09
3DS - '11
3DS XL - '12
2DS - '13
new3DS - '14

I know I'm being facetious as this isn't quite the same as what you're talking about and the leap between DS and 3DS is obvious but the point stands that this wouldn't be a new practice for them.
 

Shiggy

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Obviously not. That device would be extremely expensive as they cannot produce the necessary volumes.
 
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I swear we have had an armchair Nintendo CEO thread almost every single day this year.

We have no idea what the NX is, and as such, really can't discuss it with any degree of utility.

These threads are like standing in front of a box fan, feeling the breeze in you hair, and then pissing into the fan.
 

MouldyK

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I swear we have had an armchair Nintendo CEO thread almost every single day this year.

We have no idea what the NX is, and as such, really can't discuss it with any degree of utility.

These threads are like standing in front of a box fan, feeling the breeze in you hair, and then pissing into the fan.

That's my problem with this aswell.

Like if these questions were "Do you think a console which has Bi-Yearly/Yearly refreshes could work?", it would be fine, but it's always Nintendo.


Because Sony and Microsoft are doing a bang-up job right now that they should just stick to their plans forever.
 

axisofweevils

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Honestly, I'm expecting something like that.
 

bomblord1

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That's my problem with this aswell.

Like if these questions were "Do you think a console which has Bi-Yearly/Yearly refreshes could work?", it would be fine, but it's always Nintendo.


Because Sony and Microsoft are doing a bang-up job right now that they should just stick to their plans forever.

I personally think Nintendo's the only one that is set up to be able to do this at the moment.

Microsoft has something going with it's Win10 Xbox backend and the unification with PC but they don't have a handheld which would make the most sense for this kind of refresh cycle (although not required as I kind of hinted at in the OP). They kind of already do it with the surface line.

Sony has the Vita but honestly the Vita didn't even get a mention at Sony's conference and is virtually non-existent at their E3 booth. They also don't seem to have any plans to unify OS architecture or move towards a fully backwards compatible future.

Edit: I'm going to add this to the OP
 

z0m3le

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The funny thing is, he is describing the PC market, and everyone here that is saying it wouldn't work is just not wrapping their heads around it correctly. Also Nintendo has been doing this with their handhelds for 2 decades now.

How long the devices stay relevant should be left to the people making the games though, much like iPhones.
 

benjammin

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Absolutely not. Apple can do it because phone prices are subsidized by carrier contracts. Also, a cell phone or tablet is used much more than a game console. How is Nintendo going to pack in cutting edge technology at a cheap enough price point to get consumers to buy one every two years without subsidizing the cost?

And how are they going to increase third party support when they're releasing a new console every two years?
 

bomblord1

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Absolutely not. Apple can do it because phone prices are subsidized by carrier contracts. Also, a cell phone or tablet is used much more than a game console. How is Nintendo going to pack in cutting edge technology at a cheap enough price point to get consumers to buy one every two years without subsidizing the cost?

And how are they going to increase third party support when they're releasing a new console every two years?

I don't have hard numbers on the split but there are people who definitely don't buy the carrier subsidized one.

Day one sales of the Iphone 6 were 4 Million and I would think that most people didn't just happen to have their contract run out on that day so they most likely payed full price.
 

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i would stop buying nintendo hardware, if they want to go this way.

i want to stick to physical games as long as possible, since iam not ok with insanely stupid priced games.(have a look at psn/eshop/xbl)
indie games go on sale all the time, the exclusive games stay expensive all the time.
also i want to buy hardware to see maximum juice.
no shit like oh yeah so we used 30% of the hardware and we will go to the next gen. i want to see how devs are struggling to get 100% out of the hardware.

games need to blaze me away considering what the hardware is able to output. iam always in awe how good yoshis island on snes, perfect dark on n64, soul calibur on dc look.
 

Interceptor

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That's exactly what they are going to do. The unified OS will ensure infinite BC and access to the whole library across different versions. Think ipad/iPhone. Games might be enhanced for the newest model but they will run on most iterations.


They will also ditch physical games. Cards maybe... but no optical drive.
 

VariantX

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No. And frankly, they wouldn't have had to have done as many refreshes of the 3DS as they did, had they actually paid attention to what consumers actually wanted in their hardware like a second analog stick in the first place. All it does is put people off buying your hardware because people know it will no longer be the best experience you can get within the next 6-8 months.
 
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As you say you're talking about NX as a whole, then yes, I expect something like that, whether it's 3 different devices launching a year apart and then refreshing each in turn over the following three years, or some other spin on that.
 

The Albatross

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No, and let's remember that iPhones actually cost $800, but $600 of that is subsidized by the carrier, which you pay off incrementally via a contract.

Do you think someone would pay $800 every 2 years for a new Nintendo DS?
 

Qurupeke

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That would be just too dumb. iPhone works because it's an overpriced piece of hardware that people pay for without thinking. Apple was already popular when they launched it. If Nintendo put money on such a risky model, they'd probably lose a lot.
 

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They almost do this now with their portable line - 3DS, 3DS XL, New 3DS

But a fully fledged brand new console? No way that would work
 

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I wouldn't mind, just to see how many stupid fucking names Nintendo can come up with for its consoles.
 

Servbot24

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I'm not going to buy a new console every year just to play the latest game. Maybe if you offer a guarantee that when you buy a Nintendo device, it will be capable of playing all software that comes out for the next 5 years or so. But then, what's even the point? Just put out a console every 5 years like usual and let developers optimize for it.
 

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This remains a good idea every time it's brought up, but every time it's brought up you still end up with dozens of people who think that you're asking them to buy every single new hardware refresh, even if you explicitly say that that's not required, so it's kind of a hard discussion to actually have unless you want to explain that three dozen times in a row.
 

cclittle

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" the business model is both possible and sustainable."

It appears so at the moment but it sure as hell isn't sustainable from a mineral resource/environmental perspective. The fewer companies encouraging people to get rid of 1-2 year old tech the better.