Do you think that in 2017 universities are actively preventing rapes?

[fireflame]

Over the last years i have been made aware of something hard to accept, stories about famous american athletes who commited rapes but whose crimes were covered by universities.

This morning i read that Baylor university was facing a lawsuit for events that took place in 2012: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/17/us/baylor-university-gang-rape-lawsuit/index.html

So i was wondering, for those of you who study in American universities, do you feel that effective changes have been made fo fight actively against collective rapes and rapes in general insde your universities?

 

[YaBish]

Current college student at a major public University here.

Absolutely not. They maybe have a one hour seminar on saying no at the beginning of fall semester and call it a day. And when it comes to athletes, administration is more than willing to look the other way.

 

[RS4-]

They don't care until it starts affecting their sports programs and enrollment.

 

[Marmaladefire]

Absolutely not. I recently (like last year) graduated from an artsy uber liberal infamously woke school with literal designated safe spaces and we still had a huge rape issue and an even worse victim protection and actual-consequences problem.

 

[old]

Absolutely. They're so terrified of losing title 9 funding that they're putting the accused through kangaroo courts. There's a few lawsuits against Universitues for such.

 

[Aurongel]

They do the bare minimum, just enough to check a Title IX box on a form somewhere.

 

[Kayhan]

No, because if they were they would shut down the sports programs were a lot of the rapists reside.

 

[Zaru]

The priority of universities when evaluating how to treat rape is roughly

Sports students > Students related to wealthy donors or important people >>>>>>>>>>[... gigantic sequence of > symbols omitted ...] >>>>> average female/male students, and at this end of the scale your gender decides everything, depending on whether you're in a more liberal or conservative institution

 

[CopperPuppy]

Current college student at a major public University here.

Absolutely not. They maybe have a one hour seminar on saying no at the beginning of fall semester and call it a day. And when it comes to athletes, administration is more than willing to look the other way.

This is exactly what my university did when I was there - over a decade ago.

So, in short: fuck no.

 

[entremet]

Absolutely. They're so terrified of losing title 9 funding that they're putting the accused through kangaroo courts. There's a few lawsuits against Universitues for such.

The kangaroo courts exist because title 9 and they've been proven to be absolute shitshows for everyone involved.

 

[Chuckie]

Is it the weird 'athletes in university' construction the US has that makes rape such a huge problem on universities?

It doesn't seem we have the same kind of problem in the Netherlands for instance.

 

[pirateluigi]

My little sister is starting to apply for college. She is visiting Baylor next month. When I expressed my concern, she said "the same thing happens everywhere. " It wasn't even a sad reply, she was so matter of fact about it.

 

[Gallbaro]

Lol no, it's adult daycare. Title IV made it worse.

 

[fireflame]

Absolutely. They're so terrified of losing title 9 funding that they're putting the accused through kangaroo courts. There's a few lawsuits against Universitues for such.

Acknowledging rapes happen and trying to eradicate them would in fact be the way to respect title 9 no? Covering them actually goes against title 9 values.

 

[kunonabi]

Unless they can stop students from drinking there isn't anything they can really do to prevent them.

 

[br0ken_shad0w]

My little sister is starting to apply for college. She is visiting Baylor next month. When I expressed my concern, she said "the same thing happens everywhere. " It wasn't even a sad reply, she was so matter of fact about it.

She's not wrong. Universities who participate in the major sports will do the best they can to protect their athletes. Not just rape, but any sort of crime they do.

 

[TBiddy]

As someone who has no idea what Title XI is, how do you expect universities to "actively prevent rapes"? Our universities here in Denmark has, to the best of my knowledge, no policies regarding this, whatsoever. It's illegal, and thus all students are expected to obey the laws.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Is it the weird 'athletes in university' construction the US has that makes rape such a huge problem on universities?

It doesn't seem we have the same kind of problem in the Netherlands for instance.

There is a story now in the Netherlands about a foreign student who was raped, and when she came back to finish her studies here pretty much got shunned for it by her teacher and thrown out when she wanted to university to do something about it.

We also have problems in Amsterdam with student housing being built and people moving in without the necessary safety being provided by the local government (dark roads towards it, no oversight) which has lead to assault and rape.

It does seem US colleges are far worse though, due to the toxic focus on sports and fraternities.

Unless they can stop students from drinking there isn't anything they can really do to prevent them.

What? Fuck this mindset. Of course they can! They can take reports seriously. Throw out students. Stop toxic programs guilty of this behavior.

 

[fireflame]

As someone who has no idea what Title XI is, how do you expect universities to "actively prevent rapes"? Our universities here in Denmark has, to the best of my knowledge, no policies regarding this, whatsoever. It's illegal, and thus all students are expected to obey the laws.

Starting to not cover them would be a good start. Then, possibly,conferences where former victims or family of victims talk about what they had to go through, to raise people's awareness and empathy. Though i have the feeling that some people will commit crimes not matter what, it could ad least encourage people to report incidents, etc.

 

[Ripenen]

Is it the weird 'athletes in university' construction the US has that makes rape such a huge problem on universities?

It doesn't seem we have the same kind of problem in the Netherlands for instance.

Probably some combination of the sheer size of the university system in the US, as well as the culture and commercialization of collegiate sports.

 

[GhostBed]

Soooo so so so many rapists walk free from incidents in college. It's just as bad as it's ever been, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[TBiddy]

Starting to not cover them would be a good start. Then, possibly,conferences where former victims or family of victims talk about what they had to go through, to raise people's awareness and empathy. Though i have the feeling that some people will commit crimes not matter what, it could ad least encourage people to report incidents, etc.

OK - I obviously have a different understanding of "actively preventing" means then. No rapes should be covered up, that goes without saying, but I don't think it's necessarily the job of an university to 'educate' people on what rape is.

 

[red731]

read universes and was like what

 

[ClosingADoor]

OK - I obviously have a different understanding of "actively preventing" means then. No rapes should be covered up, that goes without saying, but I don't think it's necessarily the job of an university to 'educate' people on what rape is.

They do if there is a clear problem happening around them and they can make a difference in it.

 

[OG Shaka Zulu]

Absolutely not. As long as sexism is rampant and colleges make money, they will always brush rapes under the rug.

This applies to non-athletes too. School reputation is more important than people.

 

[TBiddy]

They do if there is a clear problem happening around them and they can make a difference in it.

I don't think education will make a difference, though. Every single case needs to be reported to the police. The 'new' generation will eventually arrive at the university, armed with a much healthier look on women.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I don't think education will make a difference, though. Every single case needs to be reported to the police. The 'new' generation will eventually arrive at the university, armed with a much healthier look on women.

Education makes all the difference, starting from a young age on how to behave all the way to universities. And when you get those new kids in, you don't want them entering a toxic culture that will also influence them.

 

[TBiddy]

Education makes all the difference, starting from a young age on how to behave all the way to universities. And when you get those new kids in, you don't want them entering a toxic culture that will also influence them.

Not many universites are going to educate kids and teenagers.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Not many universites are going to educate kids and teenagers.

Yes, obviously. You start it on all levels, all the way to universities. It is terrible how these things are not being taught at schools, and clearly it is necessary considering the toxic views a lot of people hold about this.

Next to that, provide a way for people to report this stuff. Offer help and guidance. These are their students, show some responsibility for it instead of just holding your hands up and go "not my problem."

 

[bionic77]

No. But the country as a whole has a problem with rape.

 

[Somnid]

At current student debt rates? Nope.

 

[Skellig Gra]

How would you actively fight against rape? Sure there is education on what rape is but I doubt any amount of education is going to prevent the people capable of such an act. I guess you could put cops everywhere to help. Not sure. Just to be clear I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts not being standoffish.

 

[TBiddy]

Yes, obviously. You start it on all levels, all the way to universities. It is terrible how these things are not being taught at schools, and clearly it is necessary considering the toxic views a lot of people hold about this.

I disagree. Learning to respect women (humans in general) shouldn't be taught in school, anymore than teaching kids not to abuse animals, not to be racist, do your taxes and so on. It's up to the parents and society in general.

Next to that, provide a way for people to report this stuff. Offer help and guidance. These are their students, show some responsibility for it instead of just holding your hands up and go "not my problem."

That we can agree on, although I don't think reacting instead of acting can be considered "active preventing".

 

[spwolf]

Starting to not cover them would be a good start.

The plaintiff's attorney, Muhammad S. Aziz, told CNN his client did not report the alleged incident to the police because "the mindset at that time was the football players could do whatever they wanted."
His client didn't go the hospital, he said.

So basically kids should learn in school that they need to report rape to police and not to their teachers and campus "security".

 

[The Greek Freak]

I'd settle for stop actively covering up rapes or letting incompetent campus pds handle what real police should be handling.

 

[OG Shaka Zulu]

Education makes all the difference, starting from a young age on how to behave all the way to universities. And when you get those new kids in, you don't want them entering a toxic culture that will also influence them.

You have too much faith in US education and Americans in general. 20% of the women you come across on campus have been raped or have thwarted a rape attempt. Next time you walk to class count every 5 women and realize how fucked up this is.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I disagree. Learning to respect women (humans in general) shouldn't be taught in school, anymore than teaching kids not to abuse animals ie., do your taxes and so on. It's up to the parents and society in general.



That we can agree on, although I don't think reacting instead of acting can be considered "active preventing".

To me, education is a large part of society. These are the institutions we sent our kids to and prepare them to make it on their own in society. Certain classes about things like consent and sex are definitely part of that. Of course the parents play a large role, if not the largest. But when growing up you spent pretty much half your waking hours at school, so if there is an environment there that contributes to this problem, there is definitely a place for schools to get involved.

It will not fix all problems, but there is a place there for schools to contribute to a solution.

Also, taxes and finances should be a part of school, instead of sending kids off into the world with no idea how to manage their money, leading to a ton of problems for them. But that is a different discussion.

You have too much faith in US education and Americans in general. 20% of the women you come across on campus have been raped or have thwarted a rape attempt. Next time you walk to class count every 5 women and realize how fucked up this is.

That is why I think these schools should do a lot more. Those statistics are just horrible, yet these large institutions seem to just not care about it, and even actively protect the rapists instead of their victims.

 

[Forerunner]

No, it's still rampant.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Universities can do little to stop sexual crimes, they can do better to punish them appropriately though.

 

[neurosisxeno]

How would you actively fight against rape? Sure there is education on what rape is but I doubt any amount of education is going to prevent the people capable of such an act. I guess you could put cops everywhere to help. Not sure. Just to be clear I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts not being standoffish.

The same way you can fight against suicide. Inform people before there's an issue and actively campaign the issue. In most places they only start having these seminars about rape prevention after a decently high profile case occurs rather than actively combating the issue regardless. It should be covered at the beginning of every semester.

I also think making campuses all dry campuses would not hurt. The US has a big issue with the idea of "party schools" and I imagine having a bunch of drunk 18-22 year olds in a confined area doesn't help anyone.

 

[TBiddy]

To me, education is a large part of society. These are the institutions we sent our kids to and prepare them to make it on their own in society. Certain classes about things like consent and sex are definitely part of that. Of course the parents play a large role, if not the largest. But when growing up you spent pretty much half your waking hours at school, so if there is an environment there that contributes to this problem, there is definitely a place for schools to get involved.

It will not fix all problems, but there is a place there for schools to contribute to a solution.

Also, taxes and finances should be a part of school, instead of sending kids off into the world with no idea how to manage their money, leading to a ton of problems for them. But that is a different discussion.

I believe that schools are for educating young people about algebra, geometry, history and other academic things, plus some sex education and the likes. Having classes on how you're expected to behave when you graduate doesn't belong there, in my mind. No matter what the schools tell you, if your parents teach you that it's okay to be a dick against women, to be racist or teaches you to hate lesbians, that's what you're gonna do (generally speaking.).

 

[hey_monkey]

I disagree. Learning to respect women (humans in general) shouldn't be taught in school, anymore than teaching kids not to abuse animals, not to be racist, do your taxes and so on. It's up to the parents and society in general.

Do you honestly think these things are conceptually unrelated?

 

[Skellig Gra]

The same way you can fight against suicide. Inform people before there's an issue and actively campaign the issue. In most places they only start having these seminars about rape prevention after a decently high profile case occurs rather than actively combating the issue regardless. It should be covered at the beginning of every semester.

I also think making campuses all dry campuses would not hurt. The US has a big issue with the idea of "party schools" and I imagine having a bunch of drunk 18-22 year olds in a confined area doesn't help anyone.

To me education only goes so far. You can educate people on what "consent" is but it will do nothing to people who don't care about consent. Making dry campuses is an impossible undertaking and is seems completely opposed to the progressive attempts to improve things here. Prohibition flat out doesn't work.The issue with party schools is that people there are wasting their time/money not getting a real education and are being saddled with debt.

 

[fireflame]

The problem is not all parents to their parent's job properly. School is a mnimum insurance that everyone will be informed.

 

[TBiddy]

Do you honestly think these things are conceptually unrelated?

I'm not quite sure what you're asking me here?

 

[pirateluigi]

I believe that schools are for educating young people about algebra, geometry, history and other academic things, plus some sex education and the likes. Having classes on how you're expected to behave when you graduate doesn't belong there, in my mind. No matter what the schools tell you, if your parents teach you that it's okay to be a dick against women, to be racist or teaches you to hate lesbians, that's what you're gonna do (generally speaking.).

Where I went to school you were required to take classes on race and gender studies. Both of which were incredibly important to helping me gain greater insight and understanding into the world. Isn't that the goal of education? To prepare you for what's next?

 

[ClosingADoor]

I believe that schools are for educating young people about algebra, geometry, history and other academic things, plus some sex education and the likes. Having classes on how you're expected to behave when you graduate doesn't belong there, in my mind. No matter what the schools tell you, if your parents teach you that it's okay to be a dick against women, to be racist or teaches you to hate lesbians, that's what you're gonna do (generally speaking.).

So we should just accept that and let an endless cycle of people continue that have those terrible ideas? Of course not! We run programs to combat that behavior, like we do with a ton of things, and schools can and should help here.

 

[Ran rp]

nope :/

 

[OG Shaka Zulu]

Sorry, classes on consent and rape would inform people, curb some behavior and benefit everyone. It should be a mandatory part of sex ed.

Just speaking from my experience, highschoolers think rape is only the strange attacker in public. In hindsight some of the behavior of my peers were in fact rape. So many stories of "lol so and so got drunk and blew 8 guys", "We were all drinking and she had sex with a senior while Bryce fingered her" etc...

All told like innocent drunken hookups or acting like consent was there when these incidents were all rapes. Some of these girls were clearly affected.

 

[TBiddy]

Where I went to school you were required to take classes on race and gender studies. Both of which were incredibly important to helping me gain greater insight and understanding into the world. Isn't that the goal of education? To prepare you for what's next?

Depends which school you are going to, I suppose. Also, which degree you're taking. Most important, though, are the academic classes. If we fail to teach kids how to read and write, we're gonna have a problem.

So we should just accept that and let an endless cycle of people continue that have those terrible ideas? Of course not! We run programs to combat that behavior, like we do with a ton of things, and schools can and should help here.

What? No. That's not what I'm arguing at all.