Does Anyone Else Feel that the Nintendo DS will be like the Dreamcast in Retrospect?

[Flying_Phoenix]

Kill my thread now.

 

[Redd]

.......what

 

[Tain]

I don't know how to possibly view the DS as overlooked. It sometimes seems like half the people on GAF prefer it to all the modern consoles, sales aside.

 

[p_xavier]

To be honest, I still can't get passed the vertical two screens thing. It really gives me headache, it's unatural.

 

[Leon S. Kennedy]

How is the DS overlooked? Its selling better than anything else right now.

 

[APZonerunner]

You do realize DS is handily outselling everything everywhere every month?

 

[Evlar]

I don't believe the DS is marginalized.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

The DS? Overlooked? lolololol

 

[JustAnotherOtaku]

I see where you're coming from but in all honesty, I'd expect the PSP to be more likely to get cult status like the DC years from now mainly because it never seems to have shaken the whole "PSP has no games" myth and I think that once people start to look back at it in 10 years time or so, a lot of games for the system will be considered cult.

 

[elrechazado]

Best selling video game device this gen that regularly doubles and triples the nearest competition is somehow "overlooked".

k

 

[Jackson]

Best selling video game device this gen that regularly doubles and triples the nearest competition is somehow "overlooked".

k

With the best selling game of this generation...

Dreamcast this is not.

 

[billy.sea]

The DS overlooked?
It's like the most successful system ever created and sold the best ever. And deservingly so, as it really does have a huge and diverse library, and innovative in a lot of ways too.

The system thrive on not only the usual big name hits like Mario, Final Fantasy and Zelda, but also games like Rhythm Heaven, Picross DS, Elite Beat Agents, Nintendogs, Meteos, The World Ends with You, Scribblenauts etc.

 

[Man God]

No, you see, the DS is popular. The DC was not. DS has loads and loads of good games. The DC has a few. The DS will have a six or seven year run probably be the best selling system of all time, and the newest model costs more than the launch model did. The DC had at best a two year run, was regularly sold for $15-$30 four years after it came out, and has been genuinely forgotten outside of the hardcore gaming community.

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

What the fuck at this topic :lol You have the thoughts of an insane person.

 

[Clockblockers]

How is the DS overlooked? Its selling better than anything else right now.

Seems to be the biggest hole in the OP's logic. As long as Nintendo keeps variations of backwards compability in their handhelds the DS will never be forgotten/overlooked.

 

[A Twisty Fluken]

I feel bad for anyone overlooking the DS because it's a handheld.

The completely dominant numbers indicate to me that plenty of people are realizing its greatness in the here and now.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

I'm not talking about the sales, I even mention that specifically in the OP, but more so the amount of attention it and its games gets in the Western gaming media and community compared to the consoles and other systems that had the caliber in terms of its gaming library.

Best selling video game device this gen that regularly doubles and triples the nearest competition is somehow "overlooked".

k

How is the DS overlooked? Its selling better than anything else right now.

You do realize DS is handily outselling everything everywhere every month?

Thank you all for reading the OP.

I see where you're coming from but in all honesty, I'd expect the PSP to be more likely to get cult status like the DC years from now mainly because it never seems to have shaken the whole "PSP has no games" myth and I think that once people start to look back at it in 10 years time or so, a lot of games for the system will be considered cult.

Yeah the PSP is pretty under-rated as well.

 

[Wario64]

Once the PSP gets released, it's all over for the DS.


Sell your DS it's all over.

 

[APZonerunner]

Once the PSP gets released, it's all over for the DS.


Sell your DS it's all over.

:lol oh memories

 

[grandjedi6]

Thank you for reading the OP.

Thank you for making a thread that makes no fucking sense. The Dreamcast was a much loved and hyped machine by gamers and the interwebs, yet ulimately got killed off the market. The DS is a much loved machine that may not get as much useless game hype on internet threads but still sells extremely well. Yeah the DS is just like the Dreamcast, Flying_Phoenix, of course!

Even your own opening post proves your point wrong.

 

[VGChampion]

Now this is obviously pretty different from the Dreamcast, because unlike the Dreamcast this system is selling amazingly well and pouring in money for the company making it. And seriously the line-up for this system is amazing.

Good job reading people.

I don't think the DS will be like the Dreamcast though. I don't really understand what you're getting at though. The DS games even if they aren't talked about much at GAF, are still big hits. Just go to a store like Best Buy and that and the Wii section always have people in them compared to the other systems.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Thank you for making a thread that makes no fucking sense. The Dreamcast was a much loved and hyped machine by gamers and the interwebs, yet ulimately got killed off the market. The DS is a much loved machine that may not get as much useless game hype on internet threads but still sells extremely well. Yeah the DS is just like the Dreamcast, Flying_Phoenix, of course!

In terms of the fact that the systems both didn't get the attention they deserved for the library they offered at there times yes. The Dreamcast was a system that had plenty fo good games, but the attention was overshadowed by the than current generation of consoles as well as the next. The Nintendo DS has plenty of great games both up and coming that are often overshadowed by the press and community by your usual HD console blockbuster. I was saying that the DS is similar to the Dreamcast in that sense.

So yes they're pretty similar. As for your "comparison" to how they are different I won't even get into that.

I don't think the DS will be like the Dreamcast though. I don't really understand what you're getting at though.

Read the response I wrote up.

 

[Man God]

Good job reading people.

Don't forget that the OP also has this fantastic line in it.

So why am I telling the story of the Dreamcast's demise? Because there is another certain system that seems to be overshadowed right now. The Nintendo DS.

And that's where the problem lies. Nothing is overshadowing the DS. People do pay attention to it, and more importantly buy games for it. A lot of them.

 

[Joseph Merrick]

yeah, this thread makes absolutely no sense. please don't ever make another one.

 

[Kobiekun]

All joking aside — I'm confident the DS isn't being overlooked now, and hasn't been overlooked since (maybe) sometime in 2005.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

The Dreamcast is probably the most overrated console of all time though (in terms of message board praise), whereas the DS is relatively underrated, and only then by western audiences.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

And that's where the problem lies. Nothing is overshadowing the DS. People do pay attention to it, and more importantly buy games for it. A lot of them.

Maybe in GAF the system gets rarely gets hyped outs--you know what fuck just kill my thread mods.

 

[oracrest]

It begs the question, how is the current best selling system not getting attention?

 

[grandjedi6]

In terms of the fact that the systems both didn't get the attention they deserved for the library they offered at there times yes. The Dreamcast was a system that had plenty fo good games, but the attention was overshadowed by the than current generation of consoles as well as the next. The Nintendo DS has plenty of great games both up and coming that are often overshadowed by the press and community by your usual HD console blockbuster. I was saying that the DS is similar to the Dreamcast in that sense.

So yes they're pretty similar. As for your "comparison" to how they are different I won't even get into that.

And that's the flaw of your argument. How was the Dreamcast overshadowed? Saleswise? Yeah it was but the DS obviously isn't being overshadowed saleswise.

Then how about in terms of the "press and community"? Well then you are completely off track as not only does the DS get lots of attention from the internet but the Dreamcast gots tons and tons of love from the press and community, especially during its reign.

No matter how you look at it your argument makes no sense.

 

[kswiston]

I don't see the comparison. Dreamcast is like the Saturn. Both had a bunch of awesome (and often overlooked) first and third party titles, yet neither really had the number of quality games that you get from a leading console.

Everyone can name 10-20 good/great Saturn or Dreamcast games, but you'd probably have trouble picking out 50-100 titles that are worth playing. For all the leading systems (NES, SNES, PS1, and PS2) I would have no problem picking out 50-100 titles that are at least worth checking out (say a 7-7.5+ on an IGN scale). For the first two Sony systems you could almost pick out 50 worthwhile games out of a single genre (I'm pretty sure I had at least 40 jrpgs on PS1).

The DS has no problems when it comes to quality software. I already have about 50 DS titles in the 2.5 years I have owned the system, and if I had the money, I could easily pick out another 25 I am interested in trying.

 

[Mejilan]

For the love of all things holy, please tell me that someone saved the pre-edit OP for posterity's sake. I'm freakin' crying over here just from what little was quoted...
I so do love epic backfires!

 

[dallow_bg]

Mario & Luigi 3 DS thread has little love.
Probably the slowest Mario thread I've ever seen.

It's just gaf.

 

[Chemo]

These threads, I'm DROWNING in them.

 

[Haunted]

Once the PSP gets released, it's all over for the DS.


Sell your DS it's all over.

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[Flying_Phoenix]

Alright fine I admit that doing a comparison to the Dreamcast wasn't too wise.

I think it would have been better if I would have fleshed out with more of what I was talking about in the OP. But it's too late now.

What should be my punishment for this Gaf?

 

[Wario64]

For the love of all things holy, please tell me that someone saved the pre-edit OP for posterity's sake. I'm freakin' crying over here just from what little was quoted...
I so do love epic backfires!

Here you go buddy (thank me cause I had to copy and paste the url pics)

The SEGA Dreamcast is often remembered today not just for its good games, but for how much it was ignored during its time.

And while how good the system really was is debatable, one thing most people agree with is that it was VERY overlooked for its time.

The main problem with this was that it was overshadowed by the then current generation of consoles as well as the upcoming Playstation 2.

See the Dreamcast was released in the West in 1999. During this time the current generation of consoles hadn't ran out of steam.

Sequels to huge games were already up and coming. The above is just a taste of the mass array of hyped games that were going to be released from the Dreamcasts launch and forward.

To make matters worse the Playstation 2 was right around the corner.

Now while the system had some generally good games its first year it was more or less a DVD player with games with really good graphics. I mean yeah we know that its common for the first year of a console to suck, but people found it a bit unfair that the Playstation 2 overshadowed the Dreamcast despite the Dreamcast already having such a developed and ready game line-up.

Eventually the console tanked due to SEGA's finances and was quickly found in the bargin bins. After that SEGA as a hardware maker was no more.


It didn't turn out all bad though. Due to such a high sales of the console in the bargin bins, re-releases of games, and a crazy fanbase the system became practically a legend.

Now personally I'm just telling this little story in the perspective of the majority because the truth is that I've had very little hands on time with the actual console. But for some reason the system is still talked about over ten years after its initial release. I think this is mostly due to the fact that it was so widely ignored during its time. While I haven't had too much hands on with the console I have with many of its games via re-release or emulator and they're pretty damn good.

So why am I telling the story of the Dreamcast's demise? Because there is another certain system that seems to be overshadowed right now. The Nintendo DS.

Now this is obviously pretty different from the Dreamcast, because unlike the Dreamcast this system is selling amazingly well and pouring in money for the company making it. And seriously the line-up for this system is amazing.

The above is just a taste of its robust line-up. But the crazy part is that the system still some amazing games still left to be released for the Western audience.

Sequels to Phantasy Star Online, Shin Megami Tensei, Dragon Quest, and Okami are up and coming.

Now what bothers me is that outside of the already developed DS fanbase the system, and thus USUALLY the games as well, are rarely talked about.

Why?

Because the system is a damn handheld!

I mean really the library on this system is intense, yet its often overlooked because it's something that you put in your pocket. Most of the attention has been given to the console side of things as DS games usually get small mention and console games are given coverage and attention full force.

Now that isn't to say that the console games are bad or looking to be bad. Just that despite that DS's game line-up it's so largely overshadowed. In short if Okami 2 and Shin Megami Tensei IV were announced for the PS3/360 do you think they'd get more attention?

Anyway to wrap this thread up. Now that you've read this all, do you think that the Nintendo DS will find its attention in the not so distant future after its death like the SEGA Dreamcast? Or do you think it will more so retain its current level of attention and most people will look back on it as being a pretty good handheld?

 

[Khrno]

Kill my thread now.

100% agreed.

 

[grandjedi6]

Maybe in GAF the system gets rarely gets hyped outs--you know what fuck just kill my thread mods.

Yes, GAF clearly never talks about, loves or hypes up DS games. Obviously.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Yes, GAF clearly never talks about, loves or hypes up DS games. Obviously.

That was a typo, I meant
"Maybe in GAF but the system gets rarely gets hyped outs--you know what fuck just kill my thread mods."

The PM I sent you should earlier be evidence of this.

 

[kswiston]

Alright fine I admit that doing a comparison to the Dreamcast wasn't too wise.

I think it would have been better if I would have fleshed out with more of what I was talking about in the OP. But it's too late now.

What should be my punishment for this Gaf?

"DS is this gen's Dreamcast" tag?

Seriously though, I think I sort of get what you are saying (though I wouldn't have compared the two systems directly). I think that in the future, the DS will be looked back on fondly. Probably moreso than the other system's this gen. 360 and PS3 titles tend to get the most hype on these boards, but 10 years from now, how many of those games will still matter?

 

[daycru]

Thread is even better with the archived OP, an almost random collection of words and images.

 

[Dandy]

Weird thread.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

"DS is this gen's Dreamcast" tag?

Seriously though, I think I sort of get what you are saying (though I wouldn't have compared the two systems directly). I think that in the future, the DS will be looked back on fondly. Probably moreso than the other system's this gen. 360 and PS3 titles tend to get the most hype on these boards, but 10 years from now, how many of those games will still matter?

See it seems that you mostly get what I was talking about. I guess I using the Dreamcast as a comparison was a stupid move on my part. I even knew before making the OP that is was risky, but oh well I am a guy who takes risks.

But now I've just completely embarrassed myself and all of GAF thinks that I'm a complete idiot.

It'll take months for me to shake this humiliation.

 

[Azure J]

I apologize in advance for this, especially since I try not to be a jerk, but this is the first time I have ever laughed out loud for real just from reading a thread title. :lol

 

[mrkgoo]

Thanks for posting the original post. I needed to see it.


The DS cannot be this gens dreamcast, because it does not have Chu CHu Rocket.

I mean, what the hell? Wi-Fi internet play, touch screen to place an arrow, select an arrow with d-pad. It's perfect. Chu chi Rocket was MADE for DS. WHERE IS IT?


Nintendo are flogging a dead horse. When will the DS get some attention. Actually, I don't even know what Nintendo bothers. Nintendo, third party please.

 

[Mejilan]

Wario to the rescue! Thanks so very much, dude! Bwahahahahahahahaha!

 

[Count Dookkake]

Once the PSP gets released, it's all over for the DS.


Sell your DS it's all over.

:lol :lol :lol

The DS cannot be this gens dreamcast, because it does not have Chu CHu Rocket.

Yes, it does.

 

[mrkgoo]

See it seems that you mostly get what I was talking about. I guess I using the Dreamcast as a comparison was a stupid move on my part. I even knew before making the OP that is was risky, but oh well I am a guy who takes risks.

But now I've just completely embarrassed myself and all of GAF thinks that I'm a complete idiot.

You're entertaining

The DreamCast is talked about because it was good, but for whatever reason, marked Sega's final hardware. It would still be talked about even if it wasn't good - that it was good is just a kick in the teeth while you're down.

I loved SF3 and Soul Calibur - the system had a lot of innovation going for it.

 

[Stumpokapow]

so anyone want to have a pissing match about which system had the better library

 

[Azure J]

so anyone want to have a pissing match about which system had the better library

Game Gear was better.