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Does "next gen" begin with the Nintendo Switch?

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It's a semantic question, but an important one nonetheless. Traditionally, we've categorized video game consoles into generations for a few reasons. For one, the "generations" nomenclature shows how different console developers leveraged available technology at a given time. Secondly, "generations" help us track software trends (e.g. movement from 2D to 3D platformers in the 5th generation). And thirdly, the typical hardware generation is supposed to last until consumers are ready to invest in new hardware.

There are exceptions, of course. The PC Engine/Turbo Grafx-16 was ostensibly a 16 bit console, but had an 8 bit CPU. Is it the end of the 3rd generation or the beginning of the 4th generation? Where should we slot the 32X and Sega CD? Are the Wii and Wii U part of their respective generations since Nintendo bowed out of the technological arms race?

Putting such subjective questions aside, most sources state that the eighth generation includes PS4, Xbox One, and Wi U. That puts the generation start date as November 2012 (Wii U release). That also gives us a 4.25 year time span between the generation start date and Nintendo's hardware refresh with the Switch in March 2017. Sounds short, but it's actually longer than MS' 4 year hardware refresh time span between the OG Xbox and the 360.

The eighth generation PS4 and Xbox One are still going strong, but both of them will have major mid-generation hardware revisions within a year. The same 12 month period as the Nintendo Switch release! So, one COULD consider the ninth generation as PS4 Pro/XBox One Scorpio/Nintendo Switch. We already have people asserting that MS should go ahead and call Scorpio next gen anyway, given its' rumored specs. Or, you could discount the Switch altogether as more of a handheld refresh and keep the eighth generation going until PS5/Xbox Whatever. Or discount the PS4 Pro as more of a current gen revision and Switch/Scorpio as truly "new" or next gen. Lots of different ways you could slice that pie.

I'm wondering what GAF thinks about this. Are we already in a new hardware generation with PS4 Pro and the upcoming Switch? Does "next gen" start with the Switch? Is "next gen" still years away? Or, are we truly "beyond generations", as MS said at E3?
 

Maxey

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At this point Nintendo consoles should be considered their own generation.
 

Cipher Peon

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Of course.
Just like last Gen started with the 3DS. A whole brand new generation of video game consoles is coming, life is so exciting!!!
 

Dystify

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Generations are dead. That's something we'll have to get used to. If you really HAVE to look as Switch as a new generation then look at it as the successor to the 3DS, even though it's almost 2 generations above that, hardware wise.
 

KZXcellent

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Nintendo isn't competent enough to operate in the standard gaming gens. They have their own thing and that's fine.
 

killroy87

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It's a semantic question, but an important one nonetheless. Traditionally, we've categorized video game consoles into generations for a few reasons. For one, the "generations" nomenclature shows how different console developers leveraged available technology at a given time. Secondly, "generations" help us track software trends (e.g. movement from 2D to 3D platformers in the 5th generation). And thirdly, the typical hardware generation is supposed to last until consumers are ready to invest in new hardware.

There are exceptions, of course. The PC Engine/Turbo Grafx-16 was ostensibly a 16 bit console, but had an 8 bit CPU. Is it the end of the 3rd generation or the beginning of the 4th generation? Where should we slot the 32X and Sega CD? Are the Wii and Wii U part of their respective generations since Nintendo bowed out of the technological arms race?

Putting such subjective questions aside, most sources state that the eighth generation includes PS4, Xbox One, and Wi U. That puts the generation start date as November 2012 (Wii U release). That also gives us a 4.25 year time span between the generation start date and Nintendo's hardware refresh with the Switch in March 2017. Sounds short, but it's actually longer than MS' 4 year hardware refresh time span between the OG Xbox and the 360.

The eighth generation PS4 and Xbox One are still going strong, but both of them will have major mid-generation hardware revisions within a year. The same 12 month period as the Nintendo Switch release! So, one COULD consider the ninth generation as PS4 Pro/XBox One Scorpio/Nintendo Switch. We already have people asserting that MS should go ahead and call Scorpio next gen anyway, given its' rumored specs. Or, you could discount the Switch altogether as more of a handheld refresh and keep the eighth generation going until PS5/Xbox Whatever. Or discount the PS4 Pro as more of a current gen revision and Switch/Scorpio as truly "new" or next gen. Lots of different ways you could slice that pie.

I'm wondering what GAF thinks about this. Are we already in a new hardware generation with PS4 Pro and the upcoming Switch? Does "next gen" start with the Switch? Is "next gen" still years away? Or, are we truly "beyond generations", as MS said at E3?

I'd say that's debatable, haha.
 

cw_sasuke

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Doesnt really matter anymore - The games will end up running on every plattform they can make money on - from phone, current-gen to Next-Gen console.

But - yeah its Nintendo Next-Gen system, spin that however you want. Kinda and oudated term at this point.
 

IcyRhythms

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I truly believe generations are over. The Switch will just be considered another Nintendo console. Consumers will decide whether Nintendo bothers with another console/upgrade after it, though.
 

ffdgh

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Ehh...I don't know. It's a new generation for Nintendo themselves more than anything.
 

Jumeira

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Usually marks a shift in dev from the industry, happens when MS and Sony gear up for next gen, not Nintendo. Devs just port/scale thier games for Nintendo machines. Repurposing, not building from the ground up.

So no.
 
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No? Nintendo is releasing consoles on different schedule and I'm not sure why their console will herald a new generation. Unless the Switch creates 'next generation' gaming, I don't see how it would be a new generation for the industry.
 

NOLA_Gaffer

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Yep, it's the first hardware of the ninth generation, with Microsoft's "Scorpio" hardware coming in next.
 

Chill Penguin

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Console generations are irrelevant. Especially with Nintendo, who does their own thing. And moving forward it looks like MS is also ditching the generation concept.
 

SuomiDude

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Yeah, Nintendo's always been on a console race with their latest console, so bringing a new one means a new generation.
 

Sanctuary

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At this point Nintendo consoles should be considered their own generation.

Yep. Especially when their hardware is almost always behind the consoles that released prior, yet people still want to call said consoles "next gen". They technically are, while simultaneously being behind current gen in terms of power.
 

ReitStuff

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I believe it is the beginning of gen 9. Can the people saying that the concept of generations is dead explain how? Is PS3 the same gen as PS4? I don't get how gens is an outdated concept.
 

emb

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Yeah, I think it does. The lines have always been blurry, and it seems like they'll only get weirder. PS/XB cycles are (presumably) growing longer and longer, and the major hardware refreshes add another wrinkle to deal with.

Nintendo, Sony, and MS have been around for a while and are already sorted neatly into the generations. When one of them puts out a completely new system, it's natural to increment the generation count.

But it gets hairy if we call the Switch 9th gen, then PS and XB launch new consoles in 2021, and we get a Switch 2 in 2022, and everything seems off balance. So far most things have kinda fallen in place closely enough, but if it ends up like that later on, I guess people would have to decide on a better way to break it down.
 

spekkeh

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I want to say yes, the generation where it's about different form factors more than actual leaps in computing. Leaps in computing seem to be on the way out now that mobas and mobiles are eating traditional gaming's lunch. Even when Scorpio is on the horizon. Would be classic Microsoft to be behind the curve at least. That said, that's a bit of a gamble. If Switch faceplants out the gate and Scorpio soars onto selling a billion, obviously Switch is a footnote and not a generation.
 

Vic

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Like a lot of people said, Nintendo kinda branched off from the classic idea of generations since the Wii and DS. Saying that the Switch is beginning a new generation is kinda meaningless to the other console manufacturers.
 

flattie

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Increasingly arbitrary nonsense. Don't know why people are so ready to debate it as vigorously as they do whenever it comes up.
 

jph139

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Can't say yet.

If Xbox4 and PS5 come out in a few years alongside the Nintendo XYZ, then we can probably say the Switch is part of "current gen" with the Wii U as a weird transition console.

If hardware revisions become the new status quo, we can either abandon it altogether or start counting each revision as a new generation (alongside whatever new thing Nintendo throws out there).

It's kind of a weird period honestly. I'm not sure where Microsoft and Sony are headed over the next decade and beyond - the "generation" model we've had since the 80s might just be obsolete.
 

Vic

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cw_sasuke

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No. I'd classify the Switch the same way I would the PS4 Pro, the second coming of the eighth gen.

You dont need a PS4 Pro to play current gen Sony games though - you will need a Switch to play Nintendos next games.