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Dota 2 Beta Thread 2: Real Talk Discouraged [Magnus, Teams, 6.75b, 150+ Shop Items]

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Pureauthor said:
It took approximately 6 hours for people playing WC3 DotA to calculate that the Lycan nerf delayed his Vlads by 2-3 minutes. So yeah. They'll adapt
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Except it's much easier to counter him now. Warding easy or harassing his jungle will exponentially increase that 2-3 minutes -_-.

edit: Early morning mistype, "warding" easy, not nerfing rofl. Where as before he was insanely difficult to stop/counter, now he's on the complete other end of the spectrum. Catch him before 6 or yeah, ward his easy camp and he is pretty much done. Doom is a better jungler now xD.
 
Drkirby said:
From the way Valve posts on the Dev boards, I always have this odd conception that ChrisC is the only one working on the bots. He is the only one who ever replies about them.



At a glance, It looks like you soaked up all the gold and XP on the team.
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JustinBB7 said:
Just read this by some guy on dev forums:



So guess it's true.
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It's not unusual to have only one AI programmer on something like this.

It's actually not that unusual to have only one programmer on quite a few things, and it's very rare to go over like 2-3 on any kind of core game engine technology aspect unless you're supporting like eight studios.

Tools on the other hand tend to get a lot of people, as do online services like Steam.
 
TONIGHTS THE NIGHT FELLOW DOTER PLAYER

I hope they release it a bit early because it's a big update that might need a lot of fixes before it goes to main.. or they release it late because it's a big update and they're not fully ready yet..
 
Lactose_Intolerant said:
He won't be a jungle hero anymore, pretty much what it comes down to. He still can lane and kill Roshan semi early.

Then again, I'm probably wrong.
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I don't think he can do a 14 minutes solo roshan any more, and I bet people will still try and jungle him (Which can be done, but is much harder)
 
JustinBB7 said:
TONIGHTS THE NIGHT FELLOW DOTER PLAYER

I hope they release it a bit early because it's a big update that might need a lot of fixes before it goes to main.. or they release it late because it's a big update and they're not fully ready yet..
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They should be ready considering they held back content from last week's update in order to release it tonight. Can't ever tell anymore, the updates havent been consistent for months.
 
Des0lar said:
Next up: Naga ult
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That's not how Icefrog balances (except in extreme cases). He doesn't hit hero strengths, he just gives them different weaknesses. Like Lycan. The problem with Lycan wasn't actually that he was an unholy terror midgame (he was/is), it's that there was no reliable way to shut him down from reaching that level. Now there is.
 
Pureauthor said:
That's not how Icefrog balances (except in extreme cases). He doesn't hit hero strengths, he just gives them different weaknesses. Like Lycan. The problem with Lycan wasn't actually that he was an unholy terror midgame (he was/is), it's that there was no reliable way to shut him down from reaching that level. Now there is.
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Still, Song being 60 seconds at level 16 is a bit crazy.

150/120/90 would be the best compromise. Make it a bit better early and a bit worse late and have the scaling be more logical.
 
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Lol'd
 
dave is ok said:
Anyone expecting more than one hero is going to be disappointed.
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3 heroes, 250 new cosmetic items with the international ones going to the store, 2 new beta maps with new rosh pit location, the unreleased neutral creeps, and a Half life 3 tease in the form of a crowbar cosmetic weapon for Axe.
 
Lactose_Intolerant said:
He won't be a jungle hero anymore, pretty much what it comes down to. He still can lane and kill Roshan semi early.

Then again, I'm probably wrong.
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looking at some dota 1 games (and my friends that still play it), bottle lycan or some combination of quelling blade + flasks + a clarity. Both these are very risky though (dependant on easy camp and lucky spawns), and good luck if 1 enemy waltzes into your jungle before level 6 or wards your easy. Lane is definitely going to be more effective than the woods, how effective? We'll have to wait and see.
 
Pureauthor said:
That's not how Icefrog balances (except in extreme cases). He doesn't hit hero strengths, he just gives them different weaknesses. Like Lycan. The problem with Lycan wasn't actually that he was an unholy terror midgame (he was/is), it's that there was no reliable way to shut him down from reaching that level. Now there is.
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Naga's ult makes her a first ban/pick EVERY single game. In combination with ANY AoE hero it is amazing.

Enigma, Sandking, Darkseer, ShadowFiend, you name it, it works....

Reducing the range, increasing CD, there are many ways to make it balanced.
 
Centaur's had a lot of progress in the last few weeks. Would be amazing if we got him too. I want to try out E. Blade Centaur.

I will expect only Magnus and 6.75b parity though. And the Windrunner items, all of which I will purchase.
 
Artanisix said:
is vod up yet :3
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Yep! Changelog discussion pt. 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSRHOv5UECU

inky said:
Wisp sounds are so awesome. I wonder how cosmetics will work for it.
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demidar said:
Wisp will be wrapped up in Christmas lights that will trail behind him while floating. Maybe rotating rocks floating around it? Wow this is really hard.
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The model isn't in yet to work with, but people have put their ideas up on the workshop
 
Conceptor said:
The model isn't in yet to work with, but people have put their ideas up on the workshop
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Yea, it makes sense that it will mostly be stuff floating around it, or effects. I had a couple of similar ideas myself, like a planetary system (or spiral galaxy) Wisp, or little colored flames around a big blue flame.
 
Tenck said:
We can pretend his tether means he's lassoing someone.

SOMEONE MAKE COWBOY HAT FOR WISP PLEASE.
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Why not go all the way and make a floating cowboy costume inhabited by a glowing ball?
Or an Alpine set ho ho ho

inky said:
Yea, it makes sense that it will mostly be stuff floating around it, or effects. I had a couple of similar ideas myself, like a planetary system (or spiral galaxy) Wisp, or little colored flames around a big blue flame.
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I got it! A vertical wheel or tyre with Wisp at the centre that rotates as Wisp is moving and does burnouts when he teleports with his ulti.
 
demidar said:
I got it! A vertical wheel or tyre with Wisp at the centre that rotates as Wisp is moving and does burnouts when he teleports with his ulti.
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Not lore appropriate dude... until they add Hot Rod C̶l̶o̶c̶k̶w̶e̶r̶k̶ Gyrocopter skin that is.
 
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