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DVD defeats Blu-Ray(Basic and Ultra combined) by 16% during the last quarter of 2019 among top selling movies.

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This is pretty sad because Blu-Ray, health risks aside, was supposed to be the next DVD and failed. Badly.

Now with the increased ownership of HD TVs and 4K displays you would think that Blu Ray would finally pick-up, especially with all the promotions, BR&DVD combos, and bundles including free digital codes included in box. But DVD is still destroying Blu-Ray even with all these advantages.

People would rather buy a Blu-Ray player or an upscaled DVD player, to play their DVD's on 1080p and 4K displays not Blu-Ray's, which clearly tells us the people have spoken loud and clear: Consumers are not interested in Blu-Ray and will continue to choose DVD even 14 long years later. This is very telling and shows how much of a failure this venture has been.

The data is from NPD so it's a pretty reliable source painting a pretty grim picture.
 
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The point is 99% of people don't know shit about technology, not in a bad way. They go to the store and buy the biggest TV before the price jumps. So now all the stuff on it looks better! It's a better TV.

With VHS to DVD, the difference was obvious both in form factor and convenience, like no more rewinding tapes, and no weird artifacts from the tape. The difference between DVD and bluray is not obvious. DVD is cheaper.
 

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The removal of composite in new televisions could also have the effect of greatly boosting image quality for people quite happy to watch using those low quality inputs. Why bother with Bluray when your current movies now look amazing with hdmi.
 

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Entirely unsurprising. Older folks are the main consumers of physical media, the youth market has migrated towards digital distribution and consumption in a big way. And older people generally couldn't care less about having the best visual fidelity, especially if it involves discarding or replacing extensive collections of pre HD-era media.
 

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Entirely unsurprising. Older folks are the main consumers of physical media, the youth market has migrated towards digital distribution and consumption in a big way. And older people generally couldn't care less about having the best visual fidelity, especially if it involves discarding or replacing extensive collections of pre HD-era media.
The numbers are higher for younger people when looking at physical purchases.
 

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Im gonna guess the physical movie market is basically left overs as most people stream now a days. So you probably have people picking up whatever is in the bargain bin or will run on the dvd player they bought 15 years ago.
 

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It's not really necessary to always have the new best thing ever.
Next year (decade, whatever) there's going to be a new, new best thing ever.
And like someone said in a similar recent thread ... the jump from VHS to DVD included massive improvements in tech.
DVD to BR/4k/etc is really just incremental jumps in PQ and audio.

Some people don't fall for the endless sales propaganda.
 

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I unload trucks at Walmart. Every day we get a dozen or so DVD players and rarely ever any Blu-Ray players.

I think in part it's because Blu Ray players are still too expensive ($50 or so), while DVD players are like $20 each.
 

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the majority of people don't give a shit. How many people watch 720p videos on YouTube everyday?
720p on youtube still looks better than some shitty dvd.

I unload trucks at Walmart. Every day we get a dozen or so DVD players and rarely ever any Blu-Ray players.

I think in part it's because Blu Ray players are still too expensive ($50 or so), while DVD players are like $20 each.
$30 bucks is a huge difference for the people that shop at walmart
 

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I unload trucks at Walmart. Every day we get a dozen or so DVD players and rarely ever any Blu-Ray players.

I think in part it's because Blu Ray players are still too expensive ($50 or so), while DVD players are like $20 each.
I have a feeling the majority of Blu-ray owners use game consoles like PS3, PS4 or Xbox One.

Generally I buy movies on VUDU now.
 
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I haven’t bought a blu-ray since like 2010.
4K Netflix, iTunes, and Disney+ is good enough for me personally.

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I bought my 4K tv 100% for gaming.
 
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Didn't dvd's go up to almost 10gb anyway? So besides poorer compression, they still don't look bad. I would also think that no one wants to buy all the dumb remakes or higher renders when they already spent on the dvd's, which has been the basic selling point of blue ray.
 
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Didn't dvd's go up to almost 10gb anyway? So besides poorer compression, they still don't look bad. I would also think that no one wants to buy all the dumb remakes or higher renders when they already spent on the dvd's, which has been the basic selling point of blue ray.
Dual layer DVDs are 8 gb. But a single file cannot be across the layers I believe.
 

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Weird as the second i got my ps3 and i tried casino royale.
I basically got rid of every damn dvd i had.
720p is minimum for movies here.
 

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I honestly can’t remember the last time I bought any physical media.

My thoughts are that most of the people who value image quality stream their content and don’t bother buying BR.

The majority of those who do buy physical buy the cheapest options.
 
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Yea I have to retrieve them from my mailbox, watch them, and then return them. It's new.
It's not new, I know that, but the way you made your post was weird so I thought you were talking something else.

It's not really necessary to always have the new best thing ever.
Next year (decade, whatever) there's going to be a new, new best thing ever.
And like someone said in a similar recent thread ... the jump from VHS to DVD included massive improvements in tech.
DVD to BR/4k/etc is really just incremental jumps in PQ and audio.

Some people don't fall for the endless sales propaganda.
PQ?

the majority of people don't give a shit. How many people watch 720p videos on YouTube everyday?
You know with a lot of videos that's the only option.

Doesn't matter. Streaming will kill them both.

People have been saying this for years, it's not happening. Son there will be a super upscaled DVD player that will go up to 8k and once again people will buy DVDs.

DVD will always have a market.

My thoughts are that most of the people who value image quality stream their content and don’t bother buying BR.
If they value image quality why would they stream?

Pretty crazy to think of DVDs still being popular this far after Blu Ray was introduced, to say nothing of streaming.

Remember when VHS died only a decade after DVD was introduced?
Blu-Ray was always below DVD. It was and still is too expensive, the players are too expensive, and people in general were more interested in the featurerich, not to mention cheaper HD DVD, but Sony and Phillips made some bribes and got more companies on board.

Blu-Ray was always in a bad place to replace DVD instead it was seen as an option if you wanted it instead of a successor.

Now that's even more true than back in the late 2000's because you can either buy a DVD player, as most modern ones upscale and have tech to improve the image, or you can spend a ton of money on Standard or UHD Blu Ray. Some new Blu-Ray players can't even play DVDs.
 

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I'm surprised people are surprised. LP's and vinyl are better quality than CD's but other than hipsters and audiophiles, who has Vinyl laying around?

When you can download a full 4k film in less than an hour from Netflix et al, or even piratebay, why would someone pay £15 for the Blu-ray or £40 for the 4KUHD version?

On top of that, which films are worth buying in 4K? there aren't many. Hell, some of the best looking movies are those from the 80's and 90's when animatronics ruled the world. Cheap, low-budget CGI looks terrible forever.
 

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I think you meant to say Image Quality.

I'm surprised people are surprised. LP's and vinyl are better quality than CD's

This is only true for CD's that still contain MP3's. or if they are played in an older CD Player. Some Albums actually have higher quality format but not many.
 

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People are just cheap and don’t care. I used to install dish network and people would order the cheap SD shit for their big ass tax time TVs. They just zoomed the picture. People stream music with earbuds and watch Netflix on their phone.

it is what it is. I stopped caring and just use iTunes and Vudu these days.
 

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I still buy most of my movies and TV shows on DVD (just came back from a shopping session with 5 more). Never bothered with bluray, sure the image quality is better but SD is good enough and most movies are just as enjoyable at that resolution (with a few exceptions like Danny Boyle's Steve Jobs for example, that suffered from the loss of visual impact). Also it allows me to easily rip all my DVDs and add them to my Plex server.
It's not even that I don't have a reference, as I often go to the movies or watch HD shows through streaming. I know people who said "since I switched to HD I can't go back to SD", but it never was a problem for me.
 

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It's depressing, it really is. Where I live, we have people with 4k UHD TV's (Some will be OLED) and they stream Showbox to it. Apparently it "looks really good". Now considering this will be worse quality than Netflix/Amazon Prime, it's clearly showcasing that people have no idea what quality actually is and are content to spend a small fortune on a TV but give it free source material of questionable quality. I've asked many people who do this, "Why?" and the answer is always "Because I get to see the latest shows straight away so they arent spoiled via social media" ... so clearly the speed they get to watch things outweighs the quality they are watching.

Blu-Ray has no chance, people won't wait & don't care (or even know) about the superior quality it offers.

It's like buying a Ferrari and using supermarket value oil & fuel.
 

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This actually surprises me a lot. I get that people are cheap, don't understand technology, etc. However, I thought the price had come down enough and that Blu-Ray dominated the retail selection. Are older people really buying that many DVDs? I know I've purchased quite a few DVDs for older content that either was not available on Blu-Ray or didn't have a benefit to it. For newer content, Blu Ray is the clear choice.

I guess my habits don't count for much, but I don't buy many movies anymore. I wasted so much money on stupid DVDs over the years that I will probably never watch again. For the few things I absolutely have to have, I get them on blu-ray now. I also refuse to "purchase" a movie digitally. Again, probably will only watch it so many times. Two, that's an easy way to "lose" something. 90%+ of my content now is just streaming stuff. Disney+ and Netflix I can cycle through a lot of different content, and not have all of the clutter.