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[E3] Dead or Alive 6 - Reveal Trailer
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DOA5 is notorious because a lot of the fanservice is hidden behind expensive DLC. They've probably figured out they can release a base game tailored for journalists and feminists (who won't play the game anyway) while the players will still be willing to pay an extra to enjoy all the revealing costumes and such. It's probably going to backfire heavily, in both camps. Gamers will scream at the bullshit (well, DOA5 had it and they didn't, but the current climate is different) while the kind of people who won't approve a sexy game will always find another axe to grind, anyway. Your women won't wear anything sexy? Sorry, but they still have big breasts (sexist), or they are slim (fat-shaming), or they are fat (also fat-shaming), or they are white (racist), or they are not white (cultural appropriation), etc.
This is a battle you can't win, so the best thing to do is duck and hope you pass under the radar. Calling for attention with that kind of twitter post is a very bad move.
This is a battle you can't win, so the best thing to do is duck and hope you pass under the radar. Calling for attention with that kind of twitter post is a very bad move.
I think it looks pretty cool, the style in 5 was a big improvement over 4, so now fine tuning it is the best approach, no?
Mayebe you don't know what sexualized mean, men in the game are not sexualized, if they were they would be fighting in thongs where we could see a giant bulge with jiggle physics, or maybe leather chaps. But no, they are just shirtless.
Then what do you want in the game if you already skipped 3-5? Just want to complain?
This is the first time you complain about games being closer to RL? Were you complaining about it when the women in the game had less clothes (cause I don't think so) ????
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No, it's only what your puritan ideology is hammering in your head.
Nah. I have been wanting scantily clad men since I customization became a thing, but never had the dick bouncing in a fighting game, because people like you would feel uncomfortable about it.
Perfectly fine for everybody.(I think it too)
OMG woman buttcheek! it's over sexualised since it's a woman, please censor! (happened on ESPN)
Do you understand the whole point? It's about the vision you have of woman. When you see some woman skin and come to the conclusion that it's "sexualized" it's because you deeply think as them as sexual object and not human being.
Oh and yeah boobs jiggle in real life too, it's called physics not "sexualisation".
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Isa
Member
I am hesitantly looking forward to it. DoA is my favorite fighter, I stupidly bought most of the dlc for my girl and I. Seriously, she loves the sexiness and options, as do I of course. Hopefully its not gone, though like others have mentioned it'll probably be behind a paywall again. Such a shame. I'm interested to see how this will be marketed in Japan, if it is noticeably different then I may import.
cyanide4suicide
Neo Member
I'm so hyped for this. Team Ninja can do no wrong. Hopefully this also puts us a little closer to Ninja Gaiden 4
TheShadowLord
Member
trailer looks kind of a tame to be honest....
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Looks nice. Can’t wait.
Noboru Wataya
Banned
I was a huge DOA fan from 1 through 4. Although 5 was abysmal, I’m hopeful they can get it back on form.
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MrTroubleMaker
Member
yeah I'm going to pass on this
unless they reverse this stupidity
RokkanStoned
Member
It's more like you don't know what it means. If the men in the game aren't sexualized, then neither are the women. We don't see camel toes, which would be the equivalent of a bulge. Everyone's wearing pretty normal beach costumes.
Consider Jann Lee's Costume 8 in DOA5, if that isn't sexualized, then neither is a woman fighting in a bikini.
That's without considering that women and men have both breasts and that women find men's breasts as something sexual as well. There are even women promoting showing breasts as something that should equally be acceptable for women. There are cultures where breasts showing for men and women are pretty normal. There are cultures where showing your thigh or knee is highly sexually loaded or even your shin. There are women that idolize a nice muscular body and get all hot and bothered by it, just look at BTS "Fake Love" and all the female reactors on YouTube going crazy over seeing part of someone's abs for a second. If you're talking about genitals, then DOA doesn't show either. You might've had an argument if it was DOA Extreme, where some of the risque costumes would fall within this, but that's a whole other thing. If you want a bulge that moves, that's fine as well, though they never move as much as breasts do. Someone pretending that "sexualized" is an actual argument that doesn't require backing up with examples and line of reasoning, that's just ridiculous. Most often it just becomes reduced to "I think this is sexualized and this is not".
Just to point it out:
"Totally not sexualized." It's spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.
To be quite honest, I enjoy the series for its scantily clad fighters and boob physics. Last Round was even better since it incorporated Virtua Fighter characters, and I don’t need an excuse to play with VF characters.
This one seems to lack both.
What I’m really waiting for is another Virtua Fighter.
This one seems to lack both.
What I’m really waiting for is another Virtua Fighter.
Shouta
Member
It would be pretty funny if the series decided to become even more Virtua Fighter like as the games have similar DNA.
The game is totally gonna get a lot of costume DLC just like DOA5 had. There's no doubt about it and they'll release an updated version with a ton of costumes automatically unlocked later as well. I hope they make a solid effort in the SP and MP aspects in addition to making the fighting system even better.
Spirit Icana
Member
Cool. Hoping for a couple new characters with a good budget put into their move-sets/animations and stories/lore. I'd like more variety in characters such as cute girls with various skin tones, different body types, and breast sizes around the middle (like B-cups), plus different kinds of handsome guys like a young shy black dude opposite of Zack, or even a male counter part to Marie Rose. Not just simply 'diversity', but 'variety' so we can have fun with new move-sets tailored to a new character from the ground up, have some new fun or interesting character dialogue interactions in tag fights, and maybe have a higher chance of finding characters that attracts our various tastes in fighting styles, background stories, and/or eye candy.
Also hoping for some cool new stages with new hazards to be wary of. And of course, as always, we want some cool and sexy new battle costumes. We know quite a bit will be coming in the form of DLC soon after launch. It's a matter of when, not if. DLC was where the money was at with DoA 5.
Also hoping for some cool new stages with new hazards to be wary of. And of course, as always, we want some cool and sexy new battle costumes. We know quite a bit will be coming in the form of DLC soon after launch. It's a matter of when, not if. DLC was where the money was at with DoA 5.
Paracelsus
Member
Spirit Icana
Member
I was thinking of a kid with a near 12 year old appearance, bratty behavior, just as short, scrawny, and easy to underestimate, but I just looked up Eliot's age and he's 18 in DoA 5, same age as Marie Rose. lol Eliot looks pretty well built and capable, like a Football player outta high school. In DoA 4, he's 16. His ending movie has some of his childhood flash-backs featuring his training with Gen Fu:
I was thinking of a sort of troll character, since Marie still manages to get people peeved about her appearance in this series, but now I think a child male fighter would actually be pretty cool, like having someone like Aang from Avatar: The Last Airbender. But I don't know, since this one has slow-mo zoomed in face punches with a bit of blood, not sure how that would fly. Then again, is Marie Rose still gonna be in this while still looking so young?
A slightly older, more sporty, Marie Rose with a bit of muscle mass would probably look pretty cool though.
I was thinking of a sort of troll character, since Marie still manages to get people peeved about her appearance in this series, but now I think a child male fighter would actually be pretty cool, like having someone like Aang from Avatar: The Last Airbender. But I don't know, since this one has slow-mo zoomed in face punches with a bit of blood, not sure how that would fly. Then again, is Marie Rose still gonna be in this while still looking so young?
A slightly older, more sporty, Marie Rose with a bit of muscle mass would probably look pretty cool though.
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TheDuskwalker
Member
They said in the IGN interview that single player is actually more popular than MP in fighters (which is true, contrary to what some devs and fanboys try and tell you) and they were making sure DOA6 had plenty. Confirmed story, arcade, training, and there will be other new SP modes they will announce in the future. Weird seeing a Japanese fighting game developer actually pay attention to facts. Almost as weird as Tekken and DOA now being flipped in sexualization.
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cireza
Member
I actually play all my fighters single player, and I play a ton of them. My favorite 2D one is KOF99 with Level 8 CPU. And for 3D, DoA5 was my go-to game. Going to buy DoA6 day one !
Some pretty great single player fighting games I also played a lot are the recent Mortal Kombat games, as well as Virtua Fighter 5 on 360 (not FS, the original one, which has a fantastic single player mode).
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manfestival
Member
No, I obviously came here to upset you. Mission accomplished.
Someone needs to innovate in this space. I like DOA but this looked stale to me. Not seeing anything too great graphically, gameplay looks the same style, and experience likely will be the same with a shit story
I suppose Injustice is the example of someone trying to do something different with story mode, upgrades and shit. I feel like I already own this DOA
I suppose Injustice is the example of someone trying to do something different with story mode, upgrades and shit. I feel like I already own this DOA
RokkanStoned
Member
What's some people's beef with Marie Rose btw? I can totally buy her being 18, since I know people who are that petite and I've seen 18 year olds and went to class with one who were the same height and had a young, round face.
What should be asked is why it's so hard to see if someone's asian or not. Especially eyes in DOA makes no sense. Can they please do something more with the eyes (and facial variation)? Also, I'd prefer more variation in skin color. Also, how about more B and C cups and women in their late 20s?
What should be asked is why it's so hard to see if someone's asian or not. Especially eyes in DOA makes no sense. Can they please do something more with the eyes (and facial variation)? Also, I'd prefer more variation in skin color. Also, how about more B and C cups and women in their late 20s?
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I'm not a fan of fighting games, but this is what the series is known for. It's pathetic to see all these companies cave in like this.
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MayauMiao
Member
Its bizarre coming the developer that pioneered the breasts in fighting game.
At least we have Namco to look forward to.
Lupingosei
Banned
Games media really is completely crazy now. And if Team Ninja falls for this echo chamber, well I will not buy it.
I think from a pragmatic point of view Darak's post #54 is pretty much the safe bet with what's happening here. However, there are already indications that this thread is headed towards the usual arguments of sexualization, female attire and equivalence. While we're happy to see these debates take place with both sides of the coin being argued in good faith, we'd like to avoid the situation where it infects every topic.
So if someone wants to put together a well constructed and fair post to start the debate that would be great. People constantly having these circular arguments in all threads drain all enthusiasm from what is meant to be an enjoyable way to spend some recreational time. While future titles should absolutely embrace the current climate going forward, established titles have their fanbases and target audiences and shouldn't let this compromise their original vision. The argument really centres around whether these 'progressive' changes actually entice fringe consumers to buy the titles now they have made changes. This also needs weighing against the loyal fanbase that could potentially walk away from the franchises.
Note, nothing is warranting action in this thread currently but we have been here before and really want to avoid a return. We'd like the threads about new games and reveals to be joyful threads, actually discussing the game, mechanics, new features and communities rather than turn into a thread where people are constantly told they are a scourge to society because they like the 'jiggle' physics of a title they've played for a decade. So, back on track where possible and if some humble soul wishes to start a balanced post on sexualization in gaming, please do so.
So if someone wants to put together a well constructed and fair post to start the debate that would be great. People constantly having these circular arguments in all threads drain all enthusiasm from what is meant to be an enjoyable way to spend some recreational time. While future titles should absolutely embrace the current climate going forward, established titles have their fanbases and target audiences and shouldn't let this compromise their original vision. The argument really centres around whether these 'progressive' changes actually entice fringe consumers to buy the titles now they have made changes. This also needs weighing against the loyal fanbase that could potentially walk away from the franchises.
Note, nothing is warranting action in this thread currently but we have been here before and really want to avoid a return. We'd like the threads about new games and reveals to be joyful threads, actually discussing the game, mechanics, new features and communities rather than turn into a thread where people are constantly told they are a scourge to society because they like the 'jiggle' physics of a title they've played for a decade. So, back on track where possible and if some humble soul wishes to start a balanced post on sexualization in gaming, please do so.
TheDuskwalker
Member
At least Namco give no shits what these certain whiny Westerners think. Harada still makes me laugh over his comments when asked about bikini costumes in Sexkken 7, and now we have JiggleCalibur VI. Then there is SNK......SNK REALLY gives no shits.
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Lupingosei
Banned
Why have a battle at all? Games media has no influence over gamers, pretty much everybody within the industry knows this. And nobody is demanding that all fighting games are like Dead or Alive. But people are allowed to buy the Playboy or look at beautiful virtual women in games like Dead or Alive. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It is like the whole Steam thing again.
If the sales are worse than DoA5, maybe Team Ninja will learn. Else people will move on.
TheDuskwalker
Member
Famitsu interview.... Tag Mode is being removed, no guests in base roster, and they said they're toning down the sexiness and going in this focus on cool direction because of…….esports players! Specifically comments from ones at Evo 2017. That might actually be a dumber reason than the one we thought.
https://www.dualshockers.com/dead-alive-6-wont-use-soft-engine/
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MayauMiao
Member
They could have just add a feature like "Esport" mode to disable the breast physics and limit certain costumes. Ridiculous.
TheDuskwalker
Member
Esports really is cancer. Rushed out incomplete day 1 games, poor single player content since esports players don't care about that stuff, and now total tone changes. BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle was just a unfinished single player day 1 game that flopped, but hey at least they got to put "in Evo lineup" on the box, right?
RokkanStoned
Member
This sounds ridiculous. It even makes no sense. I can't really buy someone thinking DOA being limited in the esports scene because of "sexiness". My impression is that it's always been because of its gameplay. Then I look at the trailer and understand even less how that's going to be something to appeal to esports. Auto-combo buttons. Slow motions effects. Sweaty bodies. Bad camera. Etc.
I think it would've been better to ditch DOA and just make a whole new fighting series instead, as this just seems weird. And instead made a DOA later and added crotch physics and ass physics and focused on its non-serious nature.
This seems like a mess the more I see, hear and think about it. Guess I'll play DOA2U or DOA5U instead.
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Cyber Caesar
Member
This was supposed to be VF6 not DOA 6.
Fuz
Banned
It's a battle worth fighting, if you don't want to live in a thought-police reality.
LUXURY
Member
Cyber Caesar
Member
RIP VF guests.
This points to a VF6. Well I hope.
Fuz
Banned
Oh, they should? All of them? WHY?
Hoya Destroyer
Member
What I just realized are they going to do this to female fighters as well? I can not imaging how this will end here
I dont mind a bit of blood accompanying sexy girls (SFV would be better if Blanka and Vega shed some during their attacks), as long as the girls arent drenched in it. Your screenshot looks like Fight Night though - not DoA.
TheDuskwalker
Member
Seeing that on Marie Rose and Honoka is going to look hilarious.What I just realized are they going to do this to female fighters as well? I can not imaging how this will end here