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[John Caboose]

I read through the terms of EA Access and this irked me.

"...Vault Titles are subject to change and may be removed, and the online services for certain Vault Titles may be discontinued. In the event that EA changes the EA Access Services, including the removal of Vault Titles or discontinuation of online services for certain Vault Titles, we will provide thirty (30) days advance notice to you by posting a notice on http://www.ea.com/eaaccess."

"Vault Titles contain functionality designed to disable access to those Vault Titles in the event that (i) your subscription is canceled or otherwise terminated or (ii) EA decides, in its sole discretion to remove certain Vault Titles as described above."

This means that (afaik) unlike Games with Gold and PS+ your "free" games can be removed from your account while your subscription is still going.

More than likely refers to the sports games that have their servers shut down after 3-4 years.

I would think this is just an out clause to allow them to shut down old games...I doubt they want to run Madden '25 servers 6 years from now.

They specifically mention these two things being separate things.

'We can remove vault titles or their online components.'

 

[KJRS_1993]

I'm thinking / hoping that this may be referring to games such as Titanfall, or ancient Fifa games, where their isn't an online community to support the game anymore, or a new iteration of the franchise has been released.

To be fair, doesn't Steam have a similar bite in its ToS?

 

[Card Boy]

To be fair, doesn't Steam have a similar bite in its ToS?

I'm pretty sure they do.

 

[furious]

This seems pretty standard. Sony do it all the time with Vita games.

Spoiler

Sony Too™

 

[Bgamer90]

More than likely refers to the sports games that have their servers shut down after 3-4 years.

 

[Birgitte2004]

I would think this is just an out clause to allow them to shut down old games...I doubt they want to run Madden '25 servers 6 years from now.

 

[John Caboose]

More than likely refers to the sports games that have their servers shut down after 3-4 years.

They specifically mention these two things being separate things.

'We can remove vault titles or their online components.'

 

[Ade]

Perfectly expected and normal tbh.

 

[Shyakugaun]

OMG Sort of LIKE PS PLUS ? GASP :O

 

[Varth]

This seems pretty standard. Sony do it all the time with Vita games.

Spoiler

Sony Too™

Care to elaborate?

 

[TheYanger]

They're always going to have to add and remove games at some time or other, and someone is always going to have an active sub, so they include this clause so that you don't get mad that BF4 swaps for BF5 like, 2 days before your month ends a year and a half from now or whatever.

 

[Teh Emo Penguin]

It's supposed to be a Netflix-like service, right? I don't get to keep Good Burger just because I watched it once. It makes sense if that's what it's aiming for, a selection on rotation.

 

[Chuck]

More than likely refers to the sports games that have their servers shut down after 3-4 years.

lol are you joking? 18 months or less.

 

[Piccoro]

This seems pretty standard. Sony do it all the time with Vita games.

Spoiler

Sony Too™

What? Vita games aren't removed from your account while you have an active Plus subscription. GwG as well.
What are you blabbering about?

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

have you read Steam ToS? It's quite scary

 

[Eusis]

It's supposed to be a Netflix-like service, right? I don't get to keep Good Burger just because I watched it once. It makes sense if that's what it's aiming for, a selection on rotation.

Yeah, if this were Origin it's be problematic... though even then that might not be a bad thing if limited "taking out betas that you can't even play anymore."

 

[NBtoaster]

It would pretty foolish to not have a condition like this in there. In case a game can be exploited or soemthing.

 

[furious]

Care to elaborate?

One of the reasons is for preventing exploits. Games used to exploit the Vita are removed from the store. Even if you've purchased the game in the past, they are no longer available.

EDIT: I've got slightly side tracked. If one of the exploitable games was on PS+, it would be removed.

 

[FleetFeet]

More than likely refers to the sports games that have their servers shut down after 3-4 years.

But sports are not specified, so I don't really understand how you can come to that conclusion with that legalese.

 

[John Caboose]

have you read Steam ToS? It's quite scary

No I haven't. ToSes are scary shit.

 

[kasane]

One of the reasons is for preventing exploits. Games used to exploit the Vita are removed from the store. Even if you've purchased the game in the past, they are no longer available.

But they just remove it from the store and its still in your dl list

 

[KJRS_1993]

have you read Steam ToS? It's quite scary

Dude. This is Neogaf.
We're meant to be actively searching for outrageous things that Ubisoft / EA / Activision have done so we can be indignant and insulted by them.
We don't talk nasty about Valve in here.

 

[Eusis]

But they just remove it from the store and its still in your dl list

They've removed them from the DL list too, but they usually patch the Vita then put the games back up.

 

[GoofsterStud]

But they just remove it from the store and its still in your dl list

Exactly.

 

[Bgamer90]

They specifically mention these two things being separate things.

'We can remove vault titles or their online components.'

Yes. I was referring to the online components. Removing old vault titles makes sense if they add multiple sequels to those titles into the vault. Like, what would be the point to keep Madden 25 in there if the 2-3 newer Maddens after it are in there too?

But sports are not specified, so I don't really understand how you can come to that conclusion with that legalese.

Sports make up a large portion of EA games + the servers to them get taken down 3 years or so. Servers to other (very old) EA games get taken down too (think Amry of Two iirc). Don't see it as really new information.

lol are you joking? 18 months or less.

Think you are getting confused with 2K Sports.

 

[Skele7on]

what worries me the most is if you buy a game with a discount and then you cancel your service, you may lose the game you bought using the discount it may seem....

Although surely EA can't be that dumb and pull something like that can they?

I need clarification before I sign away my soul also if I can use the UK/US account thing and use this then I am more inclined to do it...

 

[mike4001_]

what worries me the most is if you buy a game with a discount and then you cancel your service, you may lose the game you bought using the discount it may seem....

I am pretty confident that the discounted games you bought stay with you when your subscription ends.

Would be mad if I buy several 60 USD games for 54 USD and then I cannot start them.

It´s the same with PS+

 

[ToVenusAndBack]

I need clarification before I sign away my soul also if I can use the UK/US account thing and use this then I am more inclined to do it...

Me too. I'm not in the Xbox Preview thing so can't test it out myself. Let us know, it's a deal breaker for me

 

[AusRoachman]

what worries me the most is if you buy a game with a discount and then you cancel your service, you may lose the game you bought using the discount it may seem....

Although surely EA can't be that dumb and pull something like that can they?

I need clarification before I sign away my soul also if I can use the UK/US account thing and use this then I am more inclined to do it...

Pretty sure that would be illegal .

 

[GoofsterStud]

Pretty sure that would be illegal .

Not in the US unfortunately. It would be illegal in Germany however.

 

[Alx]

It's a renting service, you're not getting "free" games for a subscription. That's why they call it a "vault", subscribers can access the content of the vault at any time, but EA decides what's in there. It's like an "all you can eat" buffet, you don't get to decide the meals on the buffet, and the restaurant will change them from time to time, adding some and removing others.

 

[Card Boy]

Dude. This is Neogaf.
We're meant to be actively searching for outrageous things that Ubisoft / EA / Activision have done so we can be indignant and insulted by them.
We don't talk nasty about Valve in here.

Pretty much this. The Steam and any Valve thread is a massive circlejerk say one bad thing about teh lawd Gaben or Volvo and your fucked.

 

[Skele7on]

I am pretty confident that the discounted games you bought stay with you when your subscription ends.

Would be mad if I buy several 60 USD games for 54 USD and then I cannot start them.

It´s the same with PS+

What so discounted games you can't start if you your sub lapses on ps+ I didn't know that.

Me too. I'm not in the Xbox Preview thing so can't test it out myself. Let us know, it's a deal breaker for me

Yeah dude I will as soon as I get in, the only issue I see is the credit card thing, but I have a boarder linx account so will see if that works.

Pretty sure that would be illegal .

Not sure about the US but I'm pretty sure that in the UK/EU at least it would be...

 

[GoofsterStud]

As you can see...

Please note, unless required by law, all EA Content (such as in-game entitlements, add-on content, and downloadable content) purchased in connection with the EA Access Services (including, without limitation, purchases made during Vault Titles) are non-refundable and non-transferable. If your subscription to EA Access is cancelled or otherwise terminated, you will not have further access EA Content until and unless you purchase the EA Content or Vault Title separately.

At the very least we know all DLC is tied to your subscription. The question is, does it stop there?

 

[Moosichu]

As you can see...

Fuck... Thankfully the law in the EU stops them from doing that to games bought at a discount.

 

[alexandros]

Eh, it is just legal speak.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Pretty much this. The Steam and any Valve thread is a massive circlejerk say one bad thing about teh lawd Gaben or Volvo and your fucked.

Why go into a den of badgers just to provoke them?

 

[Woo-Fu]

Of course they can. EA decides what is in the vault, not you. Not unusual for it to be that way, either. Not really sure where the Steam comparisons are coming from, this service isn't remotely like Steam.

 

[Moosichu]

Eh, it is just legal speak.

With a lot of implications.

 

[MrGerbils]

I very much expect this to be a rolling selection, more like access to shows on Netflix than it is like access to games on PS+. Things will come and go.

Only way to really know for sure though is to wait and see.

 

[FleetFeet]

Sports make up a large portion of EA games + the servers to them get taken down 3 years or so. Servers to other (very old) EA games get taken down too (think Amry of Two iirc). Don't see it as really new information.

Yes, I understand EA has a large catalog of sports titles, but if it's just sports titles, then that would be mentioned or titles that are not in that genre would be excluded in writing.

 

[Bgamer90]

Yes, I understand EA has a large catalog of sports titles, but if it's just sports titles, then that would be mentioned or titles that are not in that genre would be excluded in writing.

I didn't mean just sports titles. As I said before, they have other titles too that get their servers shutdown. I just referred to sports titles since news about their servers getting shut down comes out pretty regularly.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Pretty much this. The Steam and any Valve thread is a massive circlejerk say one bad thing about teh lawd Gaben or Volvo and your fucked.

Visit the Steam thread, we complain about Steam pretty often.

 

[FleetFeet]

I didn't mean just sports titles. As I said before, they have other titles too that get their servers shutdown. I just referred to sports titles since news about their servers getting shut down comes out pretty regularly.

I don't mean to be pedantic, but you did only mention sports titles initially, and you aren't the only person to mention this, to me it just feels like it's a casual way to write off any concerns. As it was stated before, there is a clear distinction between the online component and the software itself. Those terms apply to both aspects, so this isn't only about server availability.

 

[yogloo]

Have any of you read neogaf's tos? We are all property of evilore.

 

[Flandy]

What so discounted games you can't start if you your sub lapses on ps+ I didn't know that.

He says in the first sentence that he's pretty sure you can >__>
I can confirm you do get to keep the games you buy with a PS+ discount

 

[FleetFeet]

Have any of you read neogaf's tos? We are all property of evilore.

C'mon now... it's not just the fact that the ToS can be put to nefarious use due to wording that is in place to protect their interests, it is the company behind the ToS. Do you really want to tell me that EA has earned the trust to not do the things that they have stated in legal terms they can and will do to your content?

 

[Bgamer90]

I don't mean to be pedantic, but you did only mention sports titles initially

And I stated why above... they get the most attention for their servers being taken down since their sports games get new entries each year. I made mention of the fact that there are other EA games (outside of sports) that get taken down too.

, and you aren't the only person to mention this, to me it just feels like it's a casual way to write off any concerns.

Heh, I'm not trying to write off any concerns. Just stated a possibility for what it might be referring to. Because my possibility isn't greatly negative that automatically means I'm trying to write off concerns?

As it was stated before, there is a clear distinction between the online component and the software itself. Those terms apply to both aspects, so this isn't only about server availability.

Yes, and I made an example of sports games for both of those areas. Stated sports games since they already have been getting altered and/or having their servers shut down years after release way before this EA Access service was introduced. As I said in my previous post, "software itself" could refer to old versions of sports games -- what would be the point in keeping a sports game that has had its server shut down on top (say) 3-4 newer versions of the game being in the vault too?

I mean, be skeptical all you want. Not trying to change that. Just coming up with possibilities that make sense to me personally.

 

[KJRS_1993]

C'mon now... it's not just the fact that the ToS can be put to nefarious use due to wording that is in place to protect their interests, it is the company behind the ToS. Do you really want to tell me that EA has earned the trust to not do the things that they have stated in legal terms they can and will do to your content?

Oh some of you guys =D
We don't half clutch at some straws sometimes.

It's not "your" content. Steam makes that clear. Origin makes that clear. Netflix and Lovefilm make it clear. It's a 'rental' service and shouldn't be treated like anything more.

 

[Skele7on]

He says in the first sentence that he's pretty sure you can >__>
I can confirm you do get to keep the games you buy with a PS+ discount

that's what I thought too, sorry it's early and I haven't had my coffee yet....