Florida_Man_5000
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Perhaps Visceral's single player campaign will make BF4 look like an add-on to Hardline.
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EA and Visceral Games Announce Battlefield Hardline Premium
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Making better singleplayer than BF4 isnt that hard of a task. Its making a good singleplayer campaign thats hard. I hope they do, but this is from the same company that made Dead Space 3, so I am skeptical.
It is all about presentation though. They look better not announcing Premium if the launch goes like all previous Battlefield launches, and waiting until 4-6 weeks post launch.
The Faceless Master
Member
will wait for Battlefield Hardline: Premium Edition in 2016
I feel like the only one that has less faith in Battlefront than Hardline.
I had my doubts about Hardline until I played the Beta. I've been able to find very little about Battlefront. Odd to hear someone suggest a game that has so little coverage as GOAT. So many baseless opinions in this thread it's hard to take any debate serious.
I also wonder about our rights to be so demanding as consumers. I mean, I was paying $60 for games 30yrs ago. To hear kids crying about $120 for a game that releases fresh content for year just seems so petty. It's even worse when they admit they aren't interested in the product. I can't fathem going into a thread for a game I don't play and arguing with the people that enjoy it, that they aren't enjoying it enough for that price point. It's full retard.
I had my doubts about Hardline until I played the Beta. I've been able to find very little about Battlefront. Odd to hear someone suggest a game that has so little coverage as GOAT. So many baseless opinions in this thread it's hard to take any debate serious.
I also wonder about our rights to be so demanding as consumers. I mean, I was paying $60 for games 30yrs ago. To hear kids crying about $120 for a game that releases fresh content for year just seems so petty. It's even worse when they admit they aren't interested in the product. I can't fathem going into a thread for a game I don't play and arguing with the people that enjoy it, that they aren't enjoying it enough for that price point. It's full retard.
OdysseusVA
Banned
You'll be there day 1 with 5 copies
CarbonFire
Member
EA has been mum on Battlefront because they know it would take the wind out of Hardline's sales
yes that was intentional
Mark my words....By the time E3 is over, you will be sick to death of hearing about the new Battlefront. That's not to say it's anything approaching a guaranteed GOAT title, as DICE or shitty EA business practices could certainly still royally screw the pooch. But EA committed to this Hardline thing to fill in the gap between BF4 and Battlefront, and they're going to milk as much money as they can out of it before they move on to the real cash cow.
Hardline might be an okish Battlefield game. If you're into it, great. Just don't be shocked when that fancy season pass becomes a noose around the games neck as the bulk of the population flocks to the next big thing. Don't forget there's a very good chance Rainbow Six: Siege comes out this fall as well. For those that enjoyed the Heist mode in Hardline, there's probably more than a little overlap there as well.
LMAO! So true!
Portugeezer
Member
Ugh, no thanks, not after BF4 shitfest and the uncertainty of this game. Hardline looks decent though.
V
Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
And it will sell millions. Nope. Not even kidding.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Premium with Battlefront coming this Fall?
Lord of Castamere
Member
Of course. "extremely aggressive" was the term used in the last leak for the dlc plans.
Anton Sugar
Member
That screams "oh fuck, we forgot about the trailer--here, e-mail the promo graphics to the interns and have them whip something up."
Lord of Castamere
Member
Pretty bad considering BF4 had the concept for each expansion ready 2 months before launch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDnSw4v6PcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDnSw4v6PcA
randomengine
Banned
Poor Viseral Games. We lost Dead Space for this shit.
RaptorGTA
Member
and I thought.."How bad could it be"...wow. it really does scream "just throw something together!"
Premium announcement not sitting well... wonder how they are going to maneuver announcing it for Battlefront.
Wow. That speaks volumes of how much they believe in the product.
ginger ninja
Banned
And all y'all are hoping Battlefront will be decent. EA will milk it's tits dry.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Doesn't mean it can't be decent. Battefield 3/4s issues had little to do with DLC.
So, exactly how long will EA pretend people aren't annoyed by this kind of thing?
People can only put up with so much before they tell a company to fuck off.
BF4? Broken until recently. Hardline reception? Mixed, from what I hear. And with that said, it doesn't make much sense to advertise a season pass (AT THAT PRICE, no less) for a game that has not only not been released yet, but comes on the heels of a game that has almost ruined the reputation of the IP.
Me thinks they are in for a rude awakening pretty soon. I don't think Hardline (or Battlefront, for that matter) will be received as well as they hoped.
People can only put up with so much before they tell a company to fuck off.
BF4? Broken until recently. Hardline reception? Mixed, from what I hear. And with that said, it doesn't make much sense to advertise a season pass (AT THAT PRICE, no less) for a game that has not only not been released yet, but comes on the heels of a game that has almost ruined the reputation of the IP.
Me thinks they are in for a rude awakening pretty soon. I don't think Hardline (or Battlefront, for that matter) will be received as well as they hoped.
Does a pig roll in shit?
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Most people aren't annoyed by Premium. Most of us like it. A few vocal people online don't make up the majority of he the game's base. Hardline might do poorly, but for other reasons than Premium. Star Wars Battlefront is going to be a monumental seller.
Probably something else. More like MOH warfighter gun bench ingame. No way they let you not use Battlelog.
robertlebrone
Member
Same here. I got and continue to get my monies worth out of premium and if I get Hardline I'll get premium without hesitation.
TheSlySoul
Member
Yeah, that is pretty bad. At least show the content.
robertlebrone
Member
BF4 does the same thing...
Just saw the vid.
One word: LOL
I mean at least show me some footage of what you're trying to sell! I understand not having footage for the DLCs, but the new features should be in place already.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
How many people complaining about Premium actually play Battlefield regularly/as their main online FPS?
Anton Sugar
Member
I thought the same thing, but some BF players believe it is an in-game kill counter kinda thing, and possibly custom gun camos (like, make your own).
robertlebrone
Member
My thoughts exactly. I'll never feel any shame dropping money into a game I enjoy.
Do you have the numbers to back this statement up?
Let me just go ahead and stop you here, because I always see this kind of nonsense sentiment on Gaming Side.
Just because you and others play the game religiously and will shell out money for season passes without question, does NOT mean you get to have a monopoly on public opinion or constructive criticism. Because regardless if you're a fan of Battlefield or not, regardless if you're a fan of the genre in general, the concept of "value" is pretty universal across all genres. And for a game that isn't even out yet that is already attempting to splinter its userbase before it even has one, the value of this product is very poor right off the bat. As anyone who just wants to play the vanilla game and not spend $110 is gonna be left out of a significant amount of content unless they purchase the pass, or buy the DLC a la carte.
This is the same logic that Xbone fanboys used when defending the Xbone's initial policies, saying things like "NONE OF YOU GUYS ARE BUYING THE XBOX ONE ANYWAYS SO WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING???" Trying to quiet the dissent of others just because, unlike you apparently, they don't shell out money for things without questioning the value first, or considering the past habits of the people making the game, is silly at best, absolutely petty at worst.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
How can you truly appreciate the value of a season pass without being intimately familiar with the base game/series and past post-release content offered?
If you don't play the game I will always assume by default that you are just having knee jerk reaction to season passes without fully understanding the value provided.
Also, announcing DLC plans before release can increase the value of the base product itself by providing a window to gage post release support.
Also by your word usage I can tell you are hostile to the idea of season passes overall so there is no point in continuing discourse.
If you don't play the game I will always assume by default that you are just having knee jerk reaction to season passes without fully understanding the value provided.
Also, announcing DLC plans before release can increase the value of the base product itself by providing a window to gage post release support.
Also by your word usage I can tell you are hostile to the idea of season passes overall so there is no point in continuing discourse.
I don't get it...if you don't like premium, don't buy it. Seems simple. I passed on Ghosts and AW passes because I don't see the value as I've barely cranked 20 or 30 hours of MP in each but BF3 at 900+ hours and BF4 at about 400 hours have been totally worth having premium. Yet I don't go shitting all over COD.
Now if you want to bitch about DLC fracturing the player base or who has the best DLC value per dollar that is for another thread.
Edit: I would argue that BF4 is now fixed well enough to be what it should have been a year ago and if Battlefront is coming later this year it puts an odd pressure on Hardline to deliver and show $110 worth of value in a few short months. So I'm a toss up on getting premium for hardline.
Now if you want to bitch about DLC fracturing the player base or who has the best DLC value per dollar that is for another thread.
Edit: I would argue that BF4 is now fixed well enough to be what it should have been a year ago and if Battlefront is coming later this year it puts an odd pressure on Hardline to deliver and show $110 worth of value in a few short months. So I'm a toss up on getting premium for hardline.
Of course I'm hostile to the idea of season passes. I wasn't born yesterday; I actually remember a time when games had content, and any further content release actually added to the package. Today, though? Companies like EA, Activision & Capcom are taking content that was already made for final retail release and locking it away to be sold later, even when that content already exists on the disc. Who in their right mind would want to pay the $20-50 it costs to pay for content that was stripped out? Especially from companies who aren't even guaranteed to have the damn game working out the box if reputation is considered?
Imagine buying a movie on DVD only to find out that some scenes were stripped out of the theatre version just so they can sell a collector's edition before the vanilla DVD even hit shelves. Or even worse, imagine the company that made the movie creating a season pass for their film, drip-feeding the content that was stripped from the final version over the course of a set amount of time. EVEN WORSE, imagine the DVD didn't work as advertised. It seems absurd with movies, right?
The above scenario is what we're dealing with in the gaming industry.
So yeah... I'm pretty adverse to the concept of season passes.
That's not how criticism works. Every game exists in its own vacuum, even if they occupy the same genre. Therefore COD's season pass values =/= BF's season pass values, and should be judged differently.
Anton Sugar
Member
I think what SG-17 is getting at is that people who complain about Premium without ever actually paying for it and understanding all the content it contains, probably don't have an accurate perspective on its value (if value is the crux of this conversation).
On paper, "$50 for a season pass of DLC" sounds...not encouraging, yes. Again,
Your general complaints about splintering the community aren't new--they've existed since expansion packs contain exclusive maps (which has been happening for over a decade now), particularly with Battlefield. That's not a concern that's exclusive to Premium.
Your assertion that people who buy Premium are just "shelling out money with no question" is insulting. I personally put faith in DICE with BF3 when I bought Premium, as it had been untested...and it turned out to be great. 20 maps, 20+ weapons, 10+ vehicles, a few new game modes, plus all the extra crap (xp events, camos, battlepacks, etc.). That's $50 for an amount of content that rivals the vanilla game itself.
I think it is actually the only season pass I've bought (well, I got Titanfall's when it was on sale) for any series, because, generally, I KNOW what I'm getting. So please don't assume that Premium customers have not questioned or tried to determine the "value" of this. The value of it is likely a reason why customers still buy it.
The problem here is that you're equating a Season Pass=withholding launch content. When evidence of this is available, then I think it's a valid concern, and I get that you don't have any trust in the games industry, but assuming that every Season Pass contains withheld content is not the most balanced way of looking at these things.
As I've said before, Expansion Packs, in the past, were NOT always free. Historically, for Battlefield, they absolutely weren't. I'd be willing to bet that comparing the cost of BF2's expansion pack + booster packs is close, if not equal, to the cost and content of Premium.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
It's completely disingenuous to use that argument with developers who have never given any indication of that being the case. Yes, Capcom has had DLC files found on disc, but when has that ever happened with COD or Battlefield?
The first DLC packs for both series generally don't come out for a few months after release. If there is DLC right at launch its likely because of preorder bonuses, which is it's own discussion.
Both series generally launch with around 10 maps and get 16 to 20 more with DLC. How many games in the history of FPSes can you say launched with 30 maps?
Your hate blinds you. You say that you remember when games launched with content. That completely ridiculous. The packaging may be different (expansions vs. DLC) but it's always been this way since the turn of the century. Battlefield 1942, 2, and 2142 all had expansion packs (generally priced at $20) that contained less content than a $15 DLC pack in BF3 and BF4.
robertlebrone
Member
There's something wrong with that? If I paid more money than the next guy I should get preferential treatment. You pay $110 for a front row concert ticket should the guy that paid $60 be sitting beside you? Fuck no.
Kinda. You split the community a month after release with this premium expansion bullshit
TheContact
Member
Don't have a problem with premium. You get nice stuff plus all expansions. Did it for bf3 and 4. I do not like hardline so meh
Anton Sugar
Member
Not a problem unique to Premium, or even the Battlefield series.
GearDraxon
Member
The number of people who "don't like this whole genre of games," yet are posting (repeatedly, complete with insults) about how dumb this is... is mystifying.
It seems pretty simple to me: fans of Battlefield tend to play it a *lot*, and for them, the price-to-entertainment-time ratio is worthwhile.
It seems pretty simple to me: fans of Battlefield tend to play it a *lot*, and for them, the price-to-entertainment-time ratio is worthwhile.